Holocaust Denial Videos

[Caustic Logic]

Hi Budly,

What a relief to learn that that whole nasty Holocaust thingy didn't happen.

Say, nearly the whole family from my mum's side was deported during the war and never came back.

And since you seem to be on good footing with a some super-duper historical specialists, I'd like to ask you a favour. Can you get in touch with these guys and ask them where my family (or rather, their many descendants) are hiding to perpetuate the great Zionist lie?

My grandfathers youngest kid was twelve when the got deported, it would be really cool if we could meet him.

And imagine how my grandpa was ahead of his time, getting that wrist tattoo in those days. Makes me wonder if he had a piercing

Boy, I can't wait to give my mother the good news. this will really cheer her up.

Ta ta trollboy.

-Gouda

Budly What do you have to say in general to Eddie Dane's post? How does this big lie jibe with the experience of a family that lost vital chunks, whole branches. Where did they go to live or die after getting on those trains? I highly recommend, after I concurred partly with your pan of Wiernick-as-evidence, that you address this fellow member's thoughts.

 

[The Big Dog]

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Not quite correct. Using it as evidence of how humane and kindly the Nazis were is the huge lie, but there was such a plan up to mid 1941. It's yet another example of the compulsion the Nazis had for planning. There are all sorts of records of it.

The pesky Brits, though. They didn't cave in and sue for peace. Evidently, by Hitler-Think, he needed a subdued Britain and had some sort of idea of using the British Navy for the deportation process. Weird notion - but then again, we're talking Nazis, here. "Weird" is the least worrisome thing about their ideas.

The plan actually had envisioned a Vichy "controlled" Madagasgar and using the English navy to deliver the approximately 4 million European Jews there. Brit and Free French forces retook Madagasgar from Vichy French control, and with the British Navy plying the Indian ocean to boot, they scrapped the plan and it was little heard of after the end of '41 if I'm not mistaken.

Criminy, perhaps I was a bit short, funny that holocaust deniers have that affect on me.

Don't get me wrong, I know that they had all sorts of fancy plans about "moving" the Jews to Africa, my point was that nobody really believed that they were going to do it.

raspberry briet

 

[Budly]

cheese thing is good news

The ending of a post with the name of a cheese: It's derisive. It's funny. And it's good news because it means we're at stage 1:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

--Arthur Schopenhauer

And this talk about the Madagascar Plan. People had to be careful so that it fit with the holocaust. Then someone said the Nazis thought of sending the Jews to Africa. THE JEWS THOUGHT OF SENDING THE JEWS TO AFRICA. That was a plan Theodore Herzl advocated for awhile. Uganda.

Fun with evil: The Madagascar Plan seems so diabolical.
But why does no one ever mention "The Israel Plan." Because it doesn't fit with Hogan's Heroes, Raiders of the Lost Ark Nazism? The "Israel Plan" was for Jews to go to Israel, and there were a lot of geo-political reasons why it couldn't happen. Foolmewunz is so proud of Britain, as he types his posts from a former British colony in Asia, --as if Britain had no territorial expansion plans whatsoever. Only the Nazis had that.

What made "The Israel Plan" possible was the holocaust myth. "The Israel Plan" would not have happened without the holocaust myth.

And I only put rules on this thread to limit the scope, even with "holocaust denial videos" as a subject it was too broad.

Anyone who ever researches Yankel Wiernik will see he's a fraud. But I'm that bad guy for pointing that out. That's a "denier tactic." Focusing on one small witness to disprove the whole thing. Yet Wiernik is the subject of episode 1 of One Third of the Holocaust. But there are 29 other episodes and 4 more hours of video after you watch episode 1.

Maybe if some people here actually researched a little, read a little, like Wiernik's account, watched some videos as I recommend. They'd have higher quality posts rather the 3,000, 5,000, 10,000 posts. LOL

 

[fullflavormenthol]

They'd have higher quality posts rather the 3,000, 5,000, 10,000 posts. LOL

Are you seriously using post count as the basis for Ad Homs?

 

[Par]

The ending of a post with the name of a cheese: It's derisive. It's funny. And it's good news because it means we're at stage 1:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

If this were a great idea (P), then it would be ridiculed (Q).
It is being ridiculed (Q).
Therefore, it is a great idea (P).

In any event, I believe the cheese thing was intended as a reductio of the notion that one should be able to create and enforce one’s own arbitrary rules on a thread.

 

[gtc]

THE JEWS THOUGHT OF SENDING THE JEWS TO AFRICA. That was a plan Theodore Herzl advocated for awhile. Uganda.

Where is your evidence?

Fun with evil: The Madagascar Plan seems so diabolical.
But why does no one ever mention "The Israel Plan." Because it doesn't fit with Hogan's Heroes, Raiders of the Lost Ark Nazism?

Hogan's Heroes makes the nazis look like bumbling fools. I don't remember them mentioning the Holocaust.

The "Israel Plan" was for Jews to go to Israel, and there were a lot of geo-political reasons why it couldn't happen.

Again, where is your evidence?

Foolmewunz is so proud of Britain, as he types his posts from a former British colony in Asia, --as if Britain had no territorial expansion plans whatsoever. Only the Nazis had that.

What expansion plans did Britian have in WWII? Germany playing catch up with the Imperial powers may have been a motivation for their actions in the run up to WWI but it can never excuse the Nazi atrocities.

What made "The Israel Plan" possible was the holocaust myth. "The Israel Plan" would not have happened without the holocaust myth.

Where is your evidence?

And I only put rules on this thread to limit the scope, even with "holocaust denial videos" as a subject it was too broad.

And yet you are breaking your own rule with this post.

Anyone who ever researches Yankel Wiernik will see he's a fraud. But I'm that bad guy for pointing that out.

No, you are the bad guy for supporting the Nazis and pretending the deaths of millions never happened. You are merely wrong with your claims that he is a fraud.

That's a "denier tactic." Focusing on one small witness to disprove the whole thing.

If you think that one small witness disproves the totality of the evidence for the Holocaust then your are wrong. You need to deal with the huge volume of evidence that unequivocally supports the Holocaust.

Yet Wiernik is the subject of episode 1 of One Third of the Holocaust. But there are 29 other episodes and 4 more hours of video after you watch episode 1.

We were following your rules. You chose to exclude the totality of the evidence that supports the existence of the Holocaust to deal with only the claims made in the video. We chose to exclude the rest of your video to deal with a single point you made.

So, your claims about him seem to have been dealt with. Why don't we move onto some of your other claims? Make another claim, provide some evidence and we can continue.

 

[Horatius]

The ending of a post with the name of a cheese: It's derisive. It's funny. And it's good news because it means we're at stage 1:

Yeah, except you guys have been at stage 1 for decades.

Anyone who ever researches Yankel Wiernik will see he's a fraud. But I'm that bad guy for pointing that out. That's a "denier tactic." Focusing on one small witness to disprove the whole thing. Yet Wiernik is the subject of episode 1 of One Third of the Holocaust. But there are 29 other episodes and 4 more hours of video after you watch episode 1.

You selected the Yankel Wiernik episode to discuss. I can only suppose it's because you feel it's some of the best evidence you have to prove that certain accounts of the Holocaust are "frauds". Now, out of what appears to be your best piece of evidence, you have cited four things that you assert prove Yankel Wiernik to be a fraud. These four things are summed up below:

Yankel Wiernik said:
1) Bodies burn like wood, but women's bodies burn better (due to fat even though everyone in the Warsaw ghetto was supposedly starving) and were thus used as kindling.
2) That a naked woman leaped a 9 and a half foot high fence, grabbed a gun from a Ukrainian guard and shot two guards.
3) That a Ukrainian guard shot him but the bullet went through his clothes but didn't pierce his skin, it just left a mark.

Point 4:

An obviously fraudulent eyewitnesses like Yankel Weirnik who claimed a guy dressed as a clown with an alarm clock tied around his neck, timed people going to the bathroom at Treblinka isn't discredited by saying such a ridiculous thing.

Point 1 was shown to be your own misunderstanding of what was said, about an early attempt at burning bodies.

Point 2 can be attributed to either a translation error, or a person speaking metaphorically. Anyone who would dismiss an entire account as "fraud" just because the speaker did not use every singly word in it in their strict dictionary definition meaning, is a few bricks short of a load.

Point 3 was shown to be reasonable considering the circumstances under which he was shot.

Point 4 was shown to be entirely non-ridiculous when considered in the historical context of what went on in those camps. It's also interesting to note that your description of his claims is inaccurate enough that one reading it would be lead to a complete misunderstanding of what it was that was really happening.


So you 4 best points about an account you claimed was clearly fraudulent to
anyone who had "done some research" are all very weak. If this is the best you have, why should anyone bother with anything else?

Asiago.

 

[Lonewulf]

No, you are the bad guy for supporting the Nazis and pretending the deaths of millions never happened. You are merely wrong with your claims that he is a fraud.

Oh posh posh, gtc, I must disagree!

I can think of plethora of more appropriate synonyms for "bad".

Abominable, atrocious, beastly, dreadful, godawful, grotesque, unacceptable.

 

[Lonewulf]

The ending of a post with the name of a cheese: It's derisive. It's funny. And it's good news because it means we're at stage 1:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

How do you tell the difference between "THE TRUTH THAT YOU BLOCKHEADS RIDICULE!" and "Ridiculous statement that does not stand up to the evidence"?

Oh, sorry, if you knew that you wouldn't be here.

Edited by LibraryLady: 

Edited for civility

Remember to be civil and attack the argument.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady

 

[beachnut]

The ending of a post with the name of a cheese: It's derisive. It's funny. And it's good news because it means we're at stage 1: ...

That only works for the truth you exposed yourself as a lair with your fist post you have no truth.


Your ideas on this topic will remain in Stage 1 forever. What is Stage 2 for moronic neoNAZI lies? Oops, Stage 2 your lies are exposed again and we go back to Stage 1. For your kind of dirt dumb hate there is only one stage. Exposing your lies and then exposing you as someone who can't form rational statements on the Holocaust because you love to spew lies and hate.

Your delusions on the holocaust are not the truth so you need to find the stages of lies for your ideas. What are the three stages for your moronic lies?

 

[Nonpareil]

Well, this thread is interesting, even if it does remind me somewhat of the Ethnikos and RevDisturba arguments over in Religion & Philosophy.
And, so far, Budly, I must say that you're presenting about as much evidence as they did. You made several big mistakes in coming here, but there's time to remedy them if you wish to hang around.
I skipped the middle of the thread, but at least at the beginning you were obsessed with your two guidelines. Something you should have done beforehand is to read the forum rules. You actually aren't allowed to do what you did. You can't just post a video link and say "look at this!" and not expect to get bashed.
You also limited the scope of the argument, saying that only one topic could be discussed at a time. We at the JREF don't like be boxed in, Budly. We just don't. If we want to bring in evidence from other areas, we'll do it. If we want to jump from one hole in your no-Holocaust theory to another, we'll do it.
You also need to provide serious evidence for your theory. Like RevD and Ethnikos, you tend to give anecdotal evidence or make baseless statements. But what you need to understand is that we require a source for most things if we are to take it seriously. You claim that the Jews were thinking about going to Africa, but you didn't give any evidence for it. Well, anyone can do that. I can say that the Jews are planning on going to Africa right now, and that's equivalent to what you said.
And as for your "three stages", you neglect to mention the one stage of the evolution of bad ideas:

1) They are ridiculed.

The thing is, though, that there's no step 2 for bad ideas.

 

[headscratcher4]

Cambazola...

It is the sneakiness of it all that is so sad. I remember when 9/llInvestigator tried to pass of the Leuchter Report as "evidence" that there were no gas chambers...somehow beliveing that no one here was aware of how completely incredible as an expert Leuchtner was...than he essentially denied that he thought that was strong evidence....but he's the one that brought it up! If this is his strongest evidence, his best case for why the holocaust is a lie...it is waffer thin and has more holes than swiss cheese.

 

[Mondial]

Hi Budly,
The homicidal gassings mentioned in ONE THIRD OF THE HOLOCAUST were supposedly done with diesel fumes (Episode 4:Engine Exhaust). What you mention in this video is credible. An article which complements this video is entitled "Diesel Gas Chambers:Ideal for Torture, Absurd for Murder" by engineer Friedrich Berg -
www.nazigassings.com/dieselgaschambera.html

 

[Budly]

Hi Pure Argent:

When I realized the thread had gone into a "free for all" I just started breaking my own rules too. It's very difficult to discuss the holocaust because people think it's o.k. to jump around. People will right away post photos of dead bodies, and say their dad, being a WWII soldier in the 101 Airborn, is evidence. They believe that the Nazis were caught red-handed killing Jews, they think Americans and British liberated camps where the final solution of genocide of Jews had been implemented. But when you look at Raul Hilberg's book, The Destruction of the European Jews, you find that those camps were in the East, were liberated by the USSR, and when they were liberated, the "Final Solution" had been over for quite some time. Thus their conception of certain posters here, that the Nazis were caught red-handed killing Jews in the West as part of the holocaust is totally wrong, yet this is why they're positive the holocaust happened.

Pure_Argent wrote:

You claim that the Jews were thinking about going to Africa, but you didn't give any evidence for it. Well, anyone can do that. I can say that the Jews are planning on going to Africa right now, and that's equivalent to what you said.

You can't understand the holocaust myth without understanding Zionism. The idea of Jews moving to Israel was too farfetched even for many Jews at the turn of the century, because people already lived there: Palestinian Arabs. Here's an excerpt regarding Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, which discusses the idea of making a Jewish country in Africa. The excerpt below is from a couple paragraphs on pg. 390.

The Sixth Congress in which the movement had almost split apart, was barely over when opposition to Herzl's Uganda scheme arose in another quarter. .....Palestine, according to The Spectator was a much better place for Jews to learn the art of self-government.....Their newspaper, The East African Standard, lashed out at what it called "Jewganda" and protested the introduction into East Africa of "Jewish hawkers who from the manifold pockets of their rags will offer for sale anything from a comb to a bar of soap, for neither of which they have any use."

Source "Herzl" by Amos Elon,
Publisher: Holt Reinhart and Winston. 1974
pg. 390

One interesting aspect of the Uganda idea is that much later in the 1970's, Israel had an interest in Uganda. They helped put Idi Amin in place, but when Amin turned against Israel, he was soon after being portrayed as a huge NutJob, which was probably due to a Psyche Warfare, "PR warfare" campaign against him, hence really ridiculous notions that everyone today believes due to movies, like that Idi Amin actually believed that he was "The Last King of Scotland." which ties in with the free internet video, Nazi Shrunken Heads.

 

[The Platypus]

Here we go with the Zionism crap.

I bet noone is surprised in the slightest...

 

[Nonpareil]

Hi Pure Argent:

When I realized the thread had gone into a "free for all" I just started breaking my own rules too. It's very difficult to discuss the holocaust because people think it's o.k. to jump around. People will right away post photos of dead bodies, and say their dad, being a WWII soldier in the 101 Airborn, is evidence.

People don't say "My dad was a WWII soldier, therefore the Holocaust happened." They say, "My dad was a WWII soldier who saw the death camps. Therefore, I believe that the Holocaust happened."

They believe that the Nazis were caught red-handed killing Jews, they think Americans and British liberated camps where the final solution of genocide of Jews had been implemented. But when you look at Raul Hilberg's book, The Destruction of the European Jews, you find that those camps were in the East, were liberated by the USSR, and when they were liberated, the "Final Solution" had been over for quite some time.

Dead wrong. The Americans and British and French and all their allies found plenty of death camps in the west. The USSR were simply the first soldiers to find a death camp. The Western forces' first death camp experience was at Buchenwald. Source.
Even if the Americans had never found one, though, the fact remains that the Russians did.

Thus their conception of certain posters here, that the Nazis were caught red-handed killing Jews in the West as part of the holocaust is totally wrong, yet this is why they're positive the holocaust happened.

Your basic reason for not believing in the Holocaust has just been shown to be wrong.

You can't understand the holocaust myth without understanding Zionism. The idea of Jews moving to Israel was too farfetched even for many Jews at the turn of the century, because people already lived there: Palestinian Arabs. Here's an excerpt regarding Theodor Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, which discusses the idea of making a Jewish country in Africa. The excerpt below is from a couple paragraphs on pg. 390.

Yeah, so? So what if the Jews were thinking of going to Africa? They certainly didn't intend to go in the way that Hitler was going to make them go.

One interesting aspect of the Uganda idea is that much later in the 1970's, Israel had an interest in Uganda. They helped put Idi Amin in place, but when Amin turned against Israel, he was soon after being portrayed as a huge NutJob, which was probably due to a Psyche Warfare, "PR warfare" campaign against him, hence really ridiculous notions that everyone today believes due to movies, like that Idi Amin actually believed that he was "The Last King of Scotland." which ties in with the free internet video, Nazi Shrunken Heads.


Derail, followed by another anti-Holocaust link that is totally off-topic. Ignored.

I hope this has been enlightening.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Budly,
Just so's we're clear, .... I'm an American. You're extrapolating from my location that I'm proud of England and thus veering off onto a tangent that is absolutely senseless. There's not a word in any of my posts that says that I'm supporting "good" England over "bad" Nazi Germany.

I believe there's a term for fabricating an argument where there is none just so that you can knock it down (which you did rather poorly).

 

[Budly]

Hi Pure Argent,

Buchenwald wasn't a deathcamp. Did you know that the majority of Buchenwald inmates were non-Jewish Germans? Buchenwald was a scene of a psyche warfare operation at the end of the war, where Americans convinced the world that human skin lampshades were made there.

But your knowledge about what you think the holocaust was (hint: it didn't happen in the West) shows how hard it is to convince someone the holocaust is a myth.

Steps to holocaust denial:
1) Know what historians believe in contrast to what the general public believes.
2) Realize the historians are wrong.

 

[elbe]

Steps to holocaust denial:
1) Know what historians believe in contrast to what the general public believes.

Well, in general I believe it to be true that experts in any field know more about it than the general public.

2) Realize the historians are wrong.

But now you, a member of said general public, knows more than the experts?

 

[Nonpareil]

Hi Pure Argent,

Buchenwald wasn't a deathcamp.

No. It was a concentration camp, where the inmates were forced to work in slave labor until they died. While the concentration camps did not result in as many deaths as the death camps, they still killed plenty of the people assigned to them. They were a major part of the Holocaust.

Did you know that the majority of Buchenwald inmates were non-Jewish Germans?

No, they weren't.

Camp prisoners worked primarily as forced labour in local armament factories. Inmates were Jews, Poles, political prisoners, Roma and Sinti, Jehovah's Witnesses, religious prisoners, criminals, homosexuals, and prisoners of war (POWs).[1] Up to 1942 the majority of the political prisoners consisted of communists and Anarchists; later the proportion of other political prisoners increased considerably. Among the prisoners were also writers, doctors, artists, former nobility, and princesses. They came from countries as varied as Russia, Poland, France, Germany, Austria, Czechoslovakia, the Netherlands, Belgium, Norway, Denmark, Latvia, Italy, Romania and Spain (some Second Spanish Republic exiles). Most of the political prisoners from the occupied countries were members of the resistance.

Source.

Buchenwald was a scene of a psyche warfare operation at the end of the war, where Americans convinced the world that human skin lampshades were made there.

Baseless statement. Give an unexaggerated example, with sources, if you expect to be believed.

But your knowledge about what you think the holocaust was (hint: it didn't happen in the West)

You're partially right. All six death camps were in Poland. But the concentration camps were spread all over.

shows how hard it is to convince someone the holocaust is a myth.

Because the Holocaust is recognized historical fact. You know that there are people who believe the WTC never came down? Do you believe that as well? Because the two denials are roughly equal. You are denying a major event in human history that tragically result in the loss of many lives.

Steps to holocaust denial idiocy:
1) Know what historians believe in contrast to what the general public believes.
2) Realize the historians are wrong.

So if the historians are wrong, where did you find an expert who believes that the Holocaust never happened? The only person qualified to say that the Holocaust never happened would be a historian; but they're all wrong, including the ones that support you.