Holocaust Denial Videos

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You are denying a major event myth in human history that tragically results in the loss of many Palestinian lives.
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Budly said:
Hi Pure Argent,

Buchenwald wasn't a deathcamp. Did you know that the majority of Buchenwald inmates were non-Jewish Germans? Buchenwald was a scene of a psyche warfare operation at the end of the war, where Americans convinced the world that human skin lampshades were made there.

But your knowledge about what you think the holocaust was (hint: it didn't happen in the West) shows how hard it is to convince someone the holocaust is a myth.

Steps to holocaust denial:
1) Know what historians believe in contrast to what the general public believes.
2) Realize the historians are wrong.
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Don't listen to the world's experts, they are all wrong, listen to "some guy" instead, these days "some guy rambling on the internet".

Cut off information from any other source but the cult. Same tactic used by every cult, creationists, 911, moon landings, jfk, holocaust deniers, etc...
 
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So you ignore the argument in my post and use the bare assertion fallacy once again. I hope you're enjoying yourself, because you're making no headway.
Present evidence to show that many Palestinian lives were lost in the Holocaust, and that the lives of the Jewish populace were not. I have presented my evidence; let's see yours.
 
So your doing this for your deep concern and care for the plight of the Palestinians...

Ya, right...
 
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The ending of a post with the name of a cheese: It's derisive. It's funny. And it's good news because it means we're at stage 1:

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

--Arthur Schopenhauer
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Unfortunately, in bringing this up, you're missing something: It only applies to truth, not fraudulent scholarship or maliciously generated myth. Pseudoscholarship and deceitfully created distortions to history get stuck in the ridicule stage. And for good reason.

Remember what Carl Sagan said:
... [T]he fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
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You, sir, are certainly no Columbus, Fulton, or a Wright Brother. And the only reason I refrain from comparing you to the last is because I'd rather not insult Bozo.
 
Well, if you don't believe that the majority at Buchenwald were non-Jewish German, you could find that info in The Buchenwald Report by David Hackett (in the introduction) and I think also in Inside The Vicious Heart by Robert Abzug. Buchenwald was a camp not run by the Nazis, but by German communists. The SS just kind of stayed on the outskirts of administration and let the German communists run the camp.

Many Palestinians have been killed by the holocaust, because the holocaust is a myth which justifies European colonialism in the Mideast. To be specific European Jewish colonialism. The Zionist movement started at the height of Victorian Age colonialism, and by the 1940's colonialism was starting to fall out of favor, the holocaust myth paved the way for the last major colonialist venture.

The holocaust myth and Christianity are quite similar. Both define good and evil with the adherents being on the good side. Like Christians, people want to believe in the holocaust myth. The holocaust myth is Christianity 400 years ago in many ways. For one the unanimity in society believing it.
 
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Michael Schermer Being Gullible on t.v.

Here is a link to one of the segments of a 1990's Phil Donahue episode on Holocaust Denial. A phone caller claims to be a German who saw Auschwitz but is an obvious fraud. Then you see where Michael Schermer believes the phone caller.

It's surprising because this is the founder of Skeptic Magazine for Pete's sake.

http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com/donahue_d.html

Schermer's big point "This is a German woman. The Germans have confessed to doing it, they're not denying it." In reference to someone who claimed to see human soap and lampshades at Auschwitz.
 
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I remember in Shermer's book Why People Believe Weird Things he makes mention of the soap and lampshades as a myth. I think he was talking about how Germans admit to the holocaust. Shermer even said in the book that people who were, in fact, in the concentration camps were harmful for the debate because of their exxagerations. He doesn't claim to be perfect and even admits his mistakes.

And that video is Pro-Revisionist propaganda because it says "Bradley Smith is a one man operation in the early 90's trying to break the myth and a future dominoe effect from it". Shermer said he didn't agree with the methods that the producers used and that he thought it turned into a spectacle that didn't help the situation. The Revisionist are using bad science to support their claims and that episode of Donahue is a bad example that tries to discredit Michael Shermer. You Revisionist guys just hate him because he blasted Holocaust Denial in many of his books.
 
Budly said:
Hi Pure Argent,

Buchenwald wasn't a deathcamp. Did you know that the majority of Buchenwald inmates were non-Jewish Germans? Buchenwald was a scene of a psyche warfare operation at the end of the war, where Americans convinced the world that human skin lampshades were made there.
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You'll have documents to cite the actual population of Buchenwald, broken down by nationality and religion, of course. I'll wait while you go find them. (Hint - 1937 to 1941 documents are NOT the whole story, are they?)
But your knowledge about what you think the holocaust was (hint: it didn't happen in the West) shows how hard it is to convince someone the holocaust is a myth.
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It was perpetrated by Nazi Germany. It was "hatched" in the "west" but executed in the East, off of German soil, as was the intention. Your smarmy implication that the Soviets perpetrated the Holocaust to blame those sweet puppy loving Nazis is reprehensible.


Steps to holocaust denial:
1) Know what historians believe in contrast to what the general public believes.
2) Realize the historians are wrong.
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Yeah, I'm much more prone to getting my history from someone named "Bud" on the internet. Why bother with Plutarch, Tacitus, Livy, Gibbon, Durant, Churchill, et al... we've got Denier Bud. Why he makes videos on the intertubes!
 
Budly said:
Well, if you don't believe that the majority at Buchenwald were non-Jewish German, you could find that info in The Buchenwald Report by David Hackett (in the introduction) and I think also in Inside The Vicious Heart by Robert Abzug. Buchenwald was a camp not run by the Nazis, but by German communists. The SS just kind of stayed on the outskirts of administration and let the German communists run the camp.

Many Palestinians have been killed by the holocaust, because the holocaust is a myth which justifies European colonialism in the Mideast. To be specific European Jewish colonialism. The Zionist movement started at the height of Victorian Age colonialism, and by the 1940's colonialism was starting to fall out of favor, the holocaust myth paved the way for the last major colonialist venture.

The holocaust myth and Christianity are quite similar. Both define good and evil with the adherents being on the good side. Like Christians, people want to believe in the holocaust myth. The holocaust myth is Christianity 400 years ago in many ways. For one the unanimity in society believing it.
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Short Google Quiz:
When was Buchenwald established?
In what year would you consider that WWII "broke out" (commenced, started, whatever)?
What date was Hermann Fister placed in charge of the camp?
Who was in charge of the camp when the "privileged" Communists were allowed to "run things"?

All of the above are easily answered by a couple of quick google searches. (I checked to make sure I wasn't going to require you to actually make another long trek to a library.) I also made it self-answering, or nearly so, in order that anyone with half a brain can play along.

So, when you're providing the ethnic, nationalist, and social demographics of Buchenwald over its eight years, you can answer the above, too. I'll be seeing you, then. Ta-ta! Cheerio! Off to have a spot of tea, old chap.
 
I saw that episode at the time and clearly remember the debunkers saying something along the lines of 'yes we know the nazis were evil as are the people who defend them but repeating mistaken claims just gives the deniers ammunition'. There was a very clear refutation in that episode.

I got about two minutes into the video before this incredibly ugly drawl of a voice over started droning about something crazy (the person who did that voice over sounds like they have something wrong with them). I skipped forward and there was a diagram that linked the crusades with fighter jets via the holocaust. At which point I gave up.

Perhaps budly could present an actual unedited video of the scene where he claims Shermer argues in favour of the soap and lampshades being true. Preferably one without a psychopath doing the voiceover.
 
arthwollipot said:
I notice that Shermer's book Why People Believe in Weird Things was published in 1997.

When was the Donohue show aired?
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My edition was the one that was published after that which has the chapter "Why Smart People Believe Weird Things".
 
lionking said:
And what does this thread have to do with General Skepticism and the Paranormal?
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Nothing. Budly already has a thread in conspiracy theories about this video series. He announced he was a Holocaust denier but refused to present any written evidence to support his view, instead insisting that people watch more than four hours of videos.

After criticism, he eventually presented an actual claim from one of the videos. That was quickly debunked and Terry linked to a website that debunks most of the rest of his videos. He has been asked to make another claim in that thread and to provide some evidence to support it. Instead he has come here and started a new thread in the wrong section.
 
gtc said:
Nothing. Budly already has a thread in conspiracy theories about this video series. He announced he was a Holocaust denier but refused to present any written evidence to support his view, instead insisting that people watch more than four hours of videos.

After criticism, he eventually presented an actual claim from one of the videos. That was quickly debunked and Terry linked to a website that debunks most of the rest of his videos. He has been asked to make another claim in that thread and to provide some evidence to support it. Instead he has come here and started a new thread in the wrong section.
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Good summary, gtc.
 
Budly said:
Hi Pure Argent,

Buchenwald wasn't a deathcamp. Did you know that the majority of Buchenwald inmates were non-Jewish Germans? Buchenwald was a scene of a psyche warfare operation at the end of the war, where Americans convinced the world that human skin lampshades were made there.

But your knowledge about what you think the holocaust was (hint: it didn't happen in the West) shows how hard it is to convince someone the holocaust is a myth.

Steps to holocaust denial:
1) Know what historians believe in contrast to what the general public believes.
2) Realize the historians are wrong.
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I thought you were proud of your heros. Are you telling us the Nazis didn't have the guts to kill all the Jews?
 
1) His name is spelled "Shermer."
2) This sub-forum is for skepticism and the paranormal. This thread is misplaced.
3) You haven't shown how Shermer is "gullible."
4) You already have a thread discussing your videos, and I specifically raised questions about the claims in this and your rejection of a "valid source."
5) Anyone who wants to see/download this video without your edits can do so here:

http://www.rodoh.us/docs/docs1/donahue-debate1994/David_and_Bradley.wmv
 
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