Hillary Clinton is Done

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BenBurch said:
The surge in the Iowa polling says otherwise. We are going to close that gap and humiliate Clinton.
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What happen, ...did they accidentally poll some radical, most likely to caucus, populations?
 
Craig4 said:
At this point, there is nothing as important as making sure Trump isn't the next president. No one who cares about he future if this country or our civilization should be doing anything other than supporting Hillary and making sure she comes out of the primary strong and with a clear mandate from her party. The Republicans aren't going to fix this so everyone else needs to make sure it doesn't happen.
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I won't vote for any of the further right candidates either, regardless of what letter they have behind their name. But why should I give support to anyone that is publically promoting policies and practices which I disagree with, and who has publically argued against policies and practices which I support?

If you want a unified party support the one candidate with policies and practices that everyone can readily agree with. Vote for someone instead of against the fears of the Republican brand. People voting for something turn up a lot more often, than those voting against something, and when even a large number of Hillary supporters acknowledge that they are reluctant supporters, whereas her opponents on the right are devotees to HIllary's downfall, even when she was just first lady.
 
Trakar said:
I won't vote for any of the further right candidates either, regardless of what letter they have behind their name. But why should I give support to anyone that is publically promoting policies and practices which I disagree with, and who has publically argued against policies and practices which I support?
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It's that binary? No issues have a scale of perfect solution on one end and worst thing ever on the other and different candidates sit somewhere on the line?
Trakar said:
If you want a unified party support the one candidate with policies and practices that everyone can readily agree with. Vote for someone instead of against the fears of the Republican brand. People voting for something turn up a lot more often, than those voting against something, and when even a large number of Hillary supporters acknowledge that they are reluctant supporters, whereas her opponents on the right are devotees to HIllary's downfall, even when she was just first lady.
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I don't understand your point.
 
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DavidJames said:
I don't understand your point.
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It isn't I who am insisting upon a candidate that others cannot and will not support, it is those who are pushing Hillary as the only choice for everyone who doesn't want a Republican in the White House.
 
Trakar said:
It isn't I who am insisting upon a candidate that others cannot and will not support, it is those who are pushing Hillary as the only choice for everyone who doesn't want a Republican in the White House.
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If you had just a choice between Trump or Clinton and you have to vote for one who would you vote for?
 
Trakar said:
It isn't I who am insisting upon a candidate that others cannot and will not support, it is those who are pushing Hillary as the only choice for everyone who doesn't want a Republican in the White House.
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In the highly likely event that she gets the nomination, her winning the general election will be the absolute only way to prevent a Republican from being President.

But go ahead and vote third party, I am sure the GOP will appreciate the help.
 
BenBurch said:
If it is Trump v Clinton, it will not matter how I vote. Illinois will go Clinton regardless, as she is from here. And we will lose the electoral college.
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If you are not voting because you think one vote doesn't count, I suggest you look at some recent very close calls.

If you are not voting because you think it doesn't matter if we have Trump or Clinton, you would be making a youuge mistake.

Listen to Trump get crazier and crazier the more we hear his views.
 
Tony Stark said:
In the highly likely event that she gets the nomination, her winning the general election will be the absolute only way to prevent a Republican from being President.

But go ahead and vote third party, I am sure the GOP will appreciate the help.
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In the event Clinton gets the nomination, She will never win the general election because a lot of her own party won't vote for her (nor will I) and she will motivate the conservatives to hold their nose and turn out in record numbers to support whoever the GOP nominee is. Ignoring that reality and continuing to support her is what the GOP is counting on.
 
Trakar said:
In the event Clinton gets the nomination, She will never win the general election because a lot of her own party won't vote for her (nor will I) and she will motivate the conservatives to hold their nose and turn out in record numbers to support whoever the GOP nominee is. Ignoring that reality and continuing to support her is what the GOP is counting on.
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BINGO! I have said the same thing, many times! The choir around here is deaf to it! At their own peril of course!

Bernie is our only hope!
 
Trakar said:
In the event Clinton gets the nomination, She will never win the general election because a lot of her own party won't vote for her (nor will I) and she will motivate the conservatives to hold their nose and turn out in record numbers to support whoever the GOP nominee is. Ignoring that reality and continuing to support her is what the GOP is counting on.
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Those in her own party that won't vote for her are utter and complete fools. The absolute only thing that they will "achieve" is to make it more likely that someone who is to the right of her on every single issue is elected instead.

And conservatives will be motivated to vote against her but they won't be motivated to vote against a self described socialist? Yeah, and I have some beachfront property in Arizona that you might be interested in.
 
Dog Town said:
You are aware that there are truly some beautiful pieces of beach front properties in AZ, RIGHT? There on these things called LAKES!
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You really got me there.

Obviously, I meant oceanfront.

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Trakar said:
In the event Clinton gets the nomination, She will never win the general election because a lot of her own party won't vote for her (nor will I) and she will motivate the conservatives to hold their nose and turn out in record numbers to support whoever the GOP nominee is. Ignoring that reality and continuing to support her is what the GOP is counting on.
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You do know this completely contradicts your posts claiming the debate schedule is a CT to improve Clinton's chances, right?

I do think you should get out more. Outside of the Bernie echo chamber Clinton actually has very strong Democratic Party support. Did you miss the fact every female Democratic Senator except Warren (who remains uncommitted to any of the three candidates) has officially endorsed Clinton?

Honestly Trakar, you really are posting complete falsehoods about both Clinton and Sanders. Most of the people in this forum are not stupid.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Trakar said:
In the event Clinton gets the nomination, She will never win the general election because a lot of her own party won't vote for her (nor will I) and she will motivate the conservatives to hold their nose and turn out in record numbers to support whoever the GOP nominee is. Ignoring that reality and continuing to support her is what the GOP is counting on.
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You do know this completely contradicts your posts claiming the debate schedule is a CT to improve Clinton's chances, right?
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No, I do not know this, and find it a very bizarre twisting of logic in its derivation,...please give me a simple layout of the reasoning you used to come to this conclusion.

Please link to the postings which you feel support your assertions, I have proposed no conspiracy theories, merely repeated what the principals have done and stated, and what various respected democratic political analysts and pundits have commented upon regarding those actions and statements.

Skeptic Ginger said:
I do think you should get out more. Outside of the Bernie echo chamber...
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I tend to find that people often see their own flaws in people they disagree with, not sure why that is, but it seems a common issue.

Skeptic Ginger said:
...Clinton actually has very strong Democratic Party support. Did you miss the fact every female Democratic Senator except Warren (who remains uncommitted to any of the three candidates) has officially endorsed Clinton?
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What does the term "establishment," mean to you? What is the public's rating of the establishment this support comes from? How do you see this as helping her in the general election, other than as a prop designed to try and help her make it to the general election?

Nominating Hillary isn't about addressing women's issues, there isn't a democratic candidate running that wouldn't do at least as good a job on women's issues as Hillary. Some of these may well do a better job of addressing women's issues than her.

3 Reasons Bernie Might Be A Better Advocate For Women Than Hillary - http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton/1300527/

Skeptic Ginger said:
Honestly Trakar, you really are posting complete falsehoods about both Clinton and Sanders. Most of the people in this forum are not stupid.
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2 points of addressment

1) There is a very apropos RoT (Rule of Thumb) about people who begin their statements with terms like "honestly."

2) I've already mentioned my experience with people who tend to expose their own flaws and issues in the attacks they make on others.
 
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Tony Stark said:
Those in her own party that won't vote for her are utter and complete fools. The absolute only thing that they will "achieve" is to make it more likely that someone who is to the right of her on every single issue is elected instead.
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Knowing in advance that there are a lot of non-establishment Democratic voters who will not support and vote for Hillary Clinton, it is the Hillary supporters (who would vote for virtually anyone else with a D after their name, and who generally support and like the policies of other Democratic candidates better than their candidate) who are choosing to nominate a candidate who will not gain the support of all their party, who are throwing the election to the Republican party.

Tony Stark said:
And conservatives will be motivated to vote against her but they won't be motivated to vote against a self described socialist? Yeah, and I have some beachfront property in Arizona that you might be interested in.
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In this instance the name Clinton trumps the descriptor Socialist, in the opinion of the right, to whom it would matter, Clinton is a socialist also, what makes it worse, she is a Clinton Socialist.

Sanders at worst is seen as an honest socialist populist who is promoting policies no worse than any other Democratic candidate (and most of the Republican candidates they don't like are "socialist-lite") oriented toward helping ordinary people. Populists are popular, Hillary is no populist.
 
BenBurch said:
If it is Trump v Clinton, it will not matter how I vote. Illinois will go Clinton regardless, as she is from here. And we will lose the electoral college.
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That wasn't really the question I asked - if you had to chose between the two who would you vote for? I'm curious to know which is the lesser of two bad options in peoples' minds.
 
Darat said:
That wasn't really the question I asked - if you had to chose between the two who would you vote for? I'm curious to know which is the lesser of two bad options in peoples' minds.
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Under what reasonable scenario would anyone be forced to make such a choice? It is like asking a person if they had to make a choice on how to die, would they prefer to be shot in the gut with a small caliber handgun, or have their spine severed with a knife stab through their mid cervical vertebrae?

Voting for Hillary or Trump are not the only choices available at this time, and wouldn't be the only choices available even if they were their respective party's nominees for the general.

I would not, and will not, vote for either of these candidates in either the primaries or the general election.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If you are not voting because you think one vote doesn't count, I suggest you look at some recent very close calls.

If you are not voting because you think it doesn't matter if we have Trump or Clinton, you would be making a youuge mistake.

Listen to Trump get crazier and crazier the more we hear his views.
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I'll vote for an old blue hound if it runs as a Democrat.

You know that.

But Trump has a zero chance of winning Illinois, and even though I will vote, it will just be tears in the ocean.

And we will lose the house and senate for a generation.

The only way to ensure we have no President Trump is to nominate Sanders - Hillary has almost totally unenthusiastic support and that will win neither a Presidential race nor will it help the rest of the ticket.

Because if you get the entire Democratic base out to vote (which seems unlikely with Hillary anyway) you need to attract non-Democrats to win a national election and she has no ability to do that.

And she isn't even trying. She thinks she has it all sewn up and that media buys will win her the Presidency. That attitude of entitlement is what will cost her the election if she is nominated.
 
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