Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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Argumemnon said:
I suspect that there's a difference, however, in that the n-word refered to all black people and was used as a derogatory term for all of them, whereas to the best of my knowledge harpy is directed at specific individuals, and isn't meant to describe or denigrate half of humanity.
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IMO you're right it doesn't mean half-human, it's just a sexist term when applied to women (like referring to a woman as being hysterical)

The term is often used metaphorically to refer to a nasty or annoying woman.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harpy
 
Argumemnon said:
Just like "dick" for a nasty or annoying man. Totally sexist.
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Subject to checking etymology, yes.

Women also have the added burden of disproportionate* gender discrimination to overcome.


* - men suffer gender discrimination in some fields but on balance women still suffer far more from gender discrimination than males in the U.S.**

** - of course there are far more dimensions to discrimination than just gender and so a black, atheist, gay, male may face far more day to day discrimination than a white, Christian, straight female
 
I think it's safe to say that Hillary's days as a succubus and a siren are behind her. Crone, hag, and yes screeching harpy more befit the thing she has become.

But if these gendered nouns offend, I propose we agree she looks like a sagging, haunted jack-o-lantern.
 
Argumemnon said:
That's it?

A harpy is a female mythological creature. It's hard to imagine calling a man one unless they were visibly effeminate.

And second, yes, "pig" is historically a pejorative used almost exclusively against men. Ever heard of "all men are pigs"?

Come on.
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Saying "all men" makes it sexist. Calling a man a pig would depend on the context.

The word pig as an insult is not "used almost exclusively against men". Calling a man a pig does generally refer to his behavior while calling a woman a pig generally refers to her appearance.

Sexism is a two-way street, no doubt there are plenty of times men are subject to sexism. I doubt if a female comet-lander scientist wore a shirt with hot guys on it anyone would have made a fuss.

But one has to consider the circumstances and in the case of shirt-man there's a particular history of discrimination against women in STEM fields and a lot of people thought things like the shirt reflected the problem.

In the case of women in positions of power, the sexism is deeply rooted. Lack of awareness or insensitivity to the specific sexist issues in this case such as commenting on looks/voice/clothing and a number of behavioral things, emotional/hysterical (which by the way was a reason to remove a woman's uterus—a hysterectomy was done to treat hysterical women and you can find this in early 20th century medical texts, no joke) is bad enough. But trying to defend such a blatant example as screeching harpy not being sexist when it is pointed out is odd.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Saying "all men" makes it sexist. Calling a man a pig would depend on the context.

The word pig as an insult is not "used almost exclusively against men". Calling a man a pig does generally refer to his behavior while calling a woman a pig generally refers to her appearance.

Sexism is a two-way street, no doubt there are plenty of times men are subject to sexism. I doubt if a female comet-lander scientist wore a shirt with hot guys on it anyone would have made a fuss.

But one has to consider the circumstances and in the case of shirt-man there's a particular history of discrimination against women in STEM fields and a lot of people thought things like the shirt reflected the problem.

In the case of women in positions of power, the sexism is deeply rooted. Lack of awareness or insensitivity to the specific sexist issues in this case such as commenting on looks/voice/clothing and a number of behavioral things, emotional/hysterical (which by the way was a reason to remove a woman's uterus—a hysterectomy was done to treat hysterical women and you can find this in early 20th century medical texts, no joke) is bad enough. But trying to defend such a blatant example as screeching harpy not being sexist when it is pointed out is odd.
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Yeah at this point this requires its own thread.
 
Mike! said:
It's good to know two full pages can be devoted to debating whether or not Hillary Clinton can be accurately described as a "Screeching Harpy", or not.
Personally, I'm on the pro side, but I may be among the minority on that subject.
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Of course you would be. It's unquestionable that a current of sexism (sometimes a subtle undercurrent, sometimes blatant) affects people's perception of Clinton.
 
wareyin said:
The highlighted is exactly it. Harpy, and screeching harpy do have such a history, which is why people from many different cultures are telling you that it is a sexist term.

eta: To be clear, harpy is sexist not specifically because it is gender-specific, but because of the history of the use of that word.
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And this ^
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Barbra Streisand Thinks Calling Out Hillary's Corruption Is Sexist

Video clip from The Kyle Kulinski Show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSFx8NHXtWA&nohtml5=False
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Not that you would understand but the double standard applied to her that is not applied to male politicians for the same acts is indeed sexist. But the right wingers have also contributed to the perception by their persistent incessant negative campaigning against her, using the undercurrent of sexism in the culture to amplify the message.
 
Argumemnon said:
Of course! I couldn't possibly have an opinion that differs from yours. I _must_ be trolling. Nope, no other explanation.


Humans.
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It's not your opinion that's at issue, it's the almost unbelievable lack of awareness of the issue.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's not your opinion that's at issue, it's the almost unbelievable lack of awareness of the issue.
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Yes because heaven forbid that my experience and knowledge differ from yours. That would be a terrible crime.

I've ever only heard the term used to describe particularily-annoying women, and not women in general, just like I've only ever heard "dick" used to describe asshat males.
 
Wisconsin exit poll: Bernie beats Her Entitledness even among female voters (50%/49%).
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