Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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Dr. Keith said:
Again, if you think Hillary supporters call all women who accuse men of rape and sexual assault liars I can see how you would be confused.

How do you think Hillary supporters refer to Crystal Mangum?


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Like their idol, they would believe the victim claiming sexual assault - then publically call them a liar.
 
Trakar said:
I would be happy to provide you with a reading list that covers a lot of the basics, but this is all pretty standard, mainstream modern neural physiology and brain development. Mid teens is generally considered the middle of the third stage of brain development the second "pruning" stage. This isn't to say that people are who they will be, at that age, merely that a lot of who we become is later influenced by the foundations that have been established by our experiences and the influences of our families, friends and communities up until those middle teenage years. Growth and development continue at a good pace up until about the mid twenties and at a much reduced rate as long as we are alive and experiencing the world.
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Ok. What I don't understand is how you can say that Hillary following a conservative candidate at 16 means she's a secret conservative. That's just stupid. Don't you agree?
 
Trakar said:
I never claimed that Hillary should be judged today by what she thought when she was 16, however, I do believe that in many critical aspects of her politics she is far too conservative. This is understandable when you look not only at her Goldwater infatuation, but also her parents, family, and community as well as her religiosity.

Snipped rest, because... awgawdthestoopid.
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And here's that stupid argument again. What she felt at 16 cannot be used to say anything about her political attitudes today. This is because people change, especially during their teenage years.

You have also managed to assert that people with religious parents who claim that they are progressives should be viewed with suspicion.

I suggest you drop this line of argument. You have already outed yourself as a major sufferer of HDS, and this really isn't helping.
 
Trakar said:
I never claimed that Hillary should be judged today by what she thought when she was 16, however, I do believe that in many critical aspects of her politics she is far too conservative. This is understandable when you look not only at her Goldwater infatuation, but also her parents, family, and community as well as her religiosity. Not that being religious makes one conservative, but her brand and flavor of religion is definitely socially and ideologically conservative. Her past merely helps one to understand where her present conservative leanings and tendencies were sprouted and given root. I don't dislike Hillary and seek flaws to fit that dislike. I dislike her political behavior and thus don't much care for her as a personal representative of my political inclinations and preferences. If she were not running to be my representative in office, I could care less about any other thing related to her.
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This is post hoc pop psychology of the worst sort. The key part is that you dislike her political behavior and are looking for a Cosmopolitan Magazine type psych profile to see how she got to those positions. I know dozens if not hundreds of people who had enough of a similar upbringing to Hillary that they should be identical to her by your standards.

Bernie had the end of his dick cut off as an infant. He also celebrated a bar mitzvah at the age of thirteen. Is that what made him so progressive? Jimmy Carter and Dubya had similar Christian beliefs. How are they so different. How would you explain two Peruvian orphans growing up in the same foster home, both becoming priests yet one works in the poorest diocese and takes vows of poverty, while the other is in the Cathedral in Lima, having gourmet meals with the fat cats of the country.

There are so many little forks in the road in our personal, emotional and psychological development that looking for the defining factors is not possible absent the primary source - the testimony or testament of the person being studied. What's the first hand info from Hillary. Or is "Lyin' Hillary" not to be trusted so we're all free to just make **** up? As I insinuated earlier, believing the underpinnings of the crap you're espousing here is ironically tantamount to a religion in the guise of explaining away her faith as a formative tool in her personality.
 
^ This guy is treating on thin ice defending a mass murderer of people brainwashed Americans are usually not taught to see as human beings, having no excuse himself. Ugly.
 
Twenty Thousand Committed To Anti-Hillary 'Occupy DNC' Protest

More than twenty thousand people have committed to protest Hillary Clinton’s likely nomination at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia — and that number is quickly growing.

The protesters are united in their support for Bernie Sanders, as well as their opposition to “a fraudulent Hillary nomination,” according to the group’s website.

Their leaders have set up a Facebook group titled — Occupy DNC Convention — to organize housing and transportation.

Protesters are encouraged to read documents shared within the group. One document is titled “Civil Disobedience Training.” Another is titled “Health and Safety at Militant Actions” and includes tips on first-aid and withstanding teargas.

One document, titled “Why ‘Occupy DNC Convention’?” explains the protesters’ mission: “we are contesting Hillary’s nomination on the grounds of fraud, voter suppression, and corruption. We show them who we want.”

To date, more than 22,200 protesters have joined the group, which has received a permit to protest from the City of Philadelphia. The city has issued several permits for what looks to be massive pro-Sanders protests throughout the convention.

Read more:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/31/twenty-thousand-committed-to-anti-hillary-occupy-dnc-protest/ (May 31, 2016)
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"Join our peaceful protest at the Philly convention. Our goal is to show up in mass numbers to swing super delegates to Bernie. This is a collaborative page with all of us working together toward ride and house shares, event planning etc. Please join to help our revolution. THANK YOU!!"

-- Facebook group: 'Occupy DNC Convention July 2016'

#OccupyDNC
 
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Slings and Arrows said:
"Join our peaceful protest at the Philly convention. Our goal is to show up in mass numbers to swing super delegates to Bernie. This is a collaborative page with all of us working together toward ride and house shares, event planning etc. Please join to help our revolution. THANK YOU!!"

-- Facebook group: 'Occupy DNC Convention July 2016'

#OccupyDNC
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Translation of post:

"Hi, I'm a Trump stooge. Could you idiots please support this and maybe start some riots to help the sad piece of **** that I support. I'm thinking "Chicago '68." Didn't that look like fun? Sure, you didn't get McCarthy nominated, and heck, you lost the election to a criminal scumbag, but you got to sing a lot of great songs and met so many swell people in the waiting rooms of the emergency ward."
 
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Childlike Empress said:
^ This guy is treating on thin ice defending a mass murderer of people brainwashed Americans are usually not taught to see as human beings, having no excuse himself. Ugly.
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Your binary outlook and over-the-top hyperbole has reached self-parody proportion.
 
varwoche said:
BS. Regardless what you did or didn't claim, you judged.
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indeed, judgment is a essential part of assessment. This is something everyone who is deciding on which politician they wish to represent their governance preferences and goals are expected to critically and rationally perform. If you know of a better way to select a politician to represent your interests please share.

If you mean judged her 16 year old self, I merely go by what she and the autobiographers have provided and combined it with my understandings of how people develop and mature. you are welcome to indicate flaws or oversights in the processes or information I have used or argue against the conclusions I have reached, but so far all you have done is imply that I shouldn't have tried to understand or evaluate a person in this manner.
 
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Foolmewunz said:
This is post hoc pop psychology of the worst sort. The key part is that you dislike her political behavior and are looking for a Cosmopolitan Magazine type psych profile to see how she got to those positions. I know dozens if not hundreds of people who had enough of a similar upbringing to Hillary that they should be identical to her by your standards...
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Now that is post hoc pop psychology.
My assessment is particular to an individual, and qualified in that manner. Even Hillary had plenty of opportunities to become a different person than she is. But we have a definite end point and a beginning description as well as glimpses of all in-between.
 
uke2se said:
And here's that stupid argument again. What she felt at 16 cannot be used to say anything about her political attitudes today. This is because people change, especially during their teenage years.

You have also managed to assert that people with religious parents who claim that they are progressives should be viewed with suspicion...
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Not at all.

of course when you snip out the qualifiers, statements become much more extreme that they were in the full context of what was actually said.
 
Trakar said:
Not at all.

of course when you snip out the qualifiers, statements become much more extreme that they were in the full context of what was actually said.
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You judged her current political stances by what she believed at 16. It doesn't get stupider than that.
 
Zombie time at campaign Hillary

It’s zombie time at campaign Hillary. Behold the dead men walking! It was with strangely slow, narcotized numbness that the candidate and her phalanx of minions and mouthpieces responded to last week’s punishing report by the State Department’s Inspector General about her email security lapses. Do they truly believe, in the rosy alternate universe of Hillaryland, that they can lie their way out of this? Of course, they’re relying as usual on the increasingly restive mainstream media to do their dirty work for them.

Meanwhile, former Bill Clinton advisor and pollster Douglas Schoen gave the strongest signal yet in a Wall Street Journal op-ed this week (“Clinton may not be the nominee”) that worried backstage huddles in the Democratic party establishment are reaching fever pitch. The article’s floating of the idea of a Joe Biden-Elizabeth Warren substitute ticket (which I’ve been privately predicting to friends all year) is so evenly and magisterially phrased that I wondered if the text had been vetted by an approving White House.

So this may be why Bernie Sanders (my candidate) has gone into overdrive—not to damage Hillary, as her acolytes spitefully claim, but to fight off the tactical insertion of Biden at the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia. Sanders could rightly claim, on the basis of his long and strenuous primary campaign, that if anyone deserves the nomination vacated by a tarnished Hillary, it is he. If Sanders does defer to Biden, it will only be via enormous concessions, beginning with the unceremonious removal of devious DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Read more:
Salon columnist Camille Paglia -- June 2, 2016
http://www.salon.com/2016/06/02/zom...eal_strength_and_clintons_fatal_sleepwalking/
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So, Crooked Hillary is on the verge of swirling down the toilet, and taking Debbie Downer right along with her.

Meanwhile, Big Chief Joe Biden and Pocahontas Warren are plotting a rescue mission to save the Democratic party from outright meltdown.

Yep, it all makes perfect sense.

Reference:
Report from the State Department’s Office of the Inspector General (May 25, 2016)
 
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PhantomWolf said:
Interesting Opinion on Hillary and her Opponents and their lies.
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There's plenty of evidence of the fact Clinton is as, or more, truthful than other POTUS candidates. But the double standard persists.

All Politicians Lie. Some Lie More Than Others.
In the Democratic race, Senator Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are evenly matched at 28 percent (based on 43 checks of Mr. Sanders and 140 checks of Mrs. Clinton). Outside of the primary campaign, we’ve continued checking the public statements of Bill Clinton since 2007; he comes out slightly ahead of President Obama in his truth-telling track record.
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