Hemp? The most valuable plant is illegal in America

All valid points concerning anecdotal evidence weaknesses. The concerns you cite with the evidence here is under what I consider matters confounding or of recordkeeping. I actually remember reading of a case where a woman was receiving the hemp oil and had some sort of liver cancer and how well it was working, only to read at the end that she was taking herself off of the chemo she was ALSO undergoing. That is an example of a confound for sure. Needless to say this warranted a face-palm at having wasted my time reading this case.

Not a waste of time at all. Anecdotal evidence seems to be highly compelling to many, despite its disposition to bias, so I think it's still worthwhile to raise criticisms on an ad hoc basis. 

A similar case was reported in a UK tabloid, the Daily Mail 4 May 2011, with the headline 'Boy, 2, with brain cancer is cured after being secretly fed medical marijuana by his father'. In the second half of the article it is finally divulged that the hemp oil had an anti-emetic effect which helped the child through chemo therapy. It seems to be an area that attracts irresponsible reporting.

As far as making sure givers of anecdotal have the condition they say they do, you could  argue that Simpson does not have the time or resources to verify these thing, BUT he is giving medical advice and should either step up his verification efforts or become more strident and clear with his disclaimer. Clarity goes hand in hand with honesty and integrity. I have noticed the the Phoenix Tears website is nowhere near as clear with disclaimers as it should be. Simpson, I think we could agree, needs to take greater responsibilty for his content and conclusions.

I would go further: Simpson should not be giving medical advice period. He is not medically qualified. The literature does not support the view that hemp oil is more efficacious than current approved treatments. Anti-tumourigenic does not equate to curative. 
Let's imagine a scenario where, in the future, hemp oil is shown to cure some cancers (I'm not indicating that I hold a belief that this will be so). Remember Simpson advocates that sufferers avoid the medical profession altogether. In our scenario, a 'patient' is not responding to hemp oil, but they would still have a reasonable chance of success with the current standard therapy for their cancer. However, they cannot receive chemotherapy or radiotherapy from Simpson, & they trust Simpson's advice that mainstream healthcare will have a deleterious if not mortal effect on their health. This is not to mention complications, co-existing conditions which require management etc. There are no circumstances under which this kind of practice concerning critically ill people would be acceptable.

We have a regulated medical profession, peer review, and clinical trials, not to disenfranchise patients, but to safeguard them. 

Finally, I would say that anecdotal evidence is never a sound basis for anything by itself.  Anecdotal evidence at best can only lend support or opposition in concert with peer-reviewed and properly studied proof of concept pathways (such as is present with the hemp oil constituents and endocannababoid studies I referenced.) and empirical evidence.

Again, agreed. Though whilst I think anecdote is a good reason to look at possible mechanisms and, if sufficiently convincing, look at instigating serious research, I'm not sure how much of a role it should really have beyond that. We have in vitro, in vivo animal model, xenografting & Guzman's safety trial on patients with recurrent Glioblastoma Multiforme. Surely these are a more reliable basis for determining the course of future research efforts.

In fact, there are 925 PubMed results in a search of 'cannabinoids cancer'. Many of these results will concern potential anti-emetic therapies & perhaps other areas, but the point is that studies concerning cannabinoids are happening and are being funded. I repeatedly see the argument that the pharmaceutical industry can't patent hemp, so they won't research it. Yet these same individuals don't hesitate to point to the numerous studies that have been conducted with synthetic compounds to support the conclusion that hemp does cure cancer. 

A little longer than initially intended; apologies... :)
 
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Not a waste of time at all. Anecdotal evidence seems to be highly compelling to many, despite its disposition to bias, so I think it's still worthwhile to raise criticisms on an ad hoc basis.*

A similar case was reported in a UK tabloid, the Daily Mail 4 May 2011, with the headline 'Boy, 2, with brain cancer is cured after being secretly fed medical marijuana by his father'. In the second half of the article it is finally divulged that the hemp oil had an anti-emetic effect which helped the child through chemo therapy. It seems to be an area that attracts irresponsible reporting.



I would go further: Simpson should not be giving medical advice period. He is not medically qualified. The literature does not support the view that hemp oil is more efficacious than current approved treatments. Anti-tumourigenic does not equate to curative.*
Let's imagine a scenario where, in the future, hemp oil is shown to cure some cancers (I'm not indicating that I hold a belief that this will be so). Remember Simpson advocates that sufferers avoid the medical profession altogether. In our scenario, a 'patient' is not responding to hemp oil, but they would still have a reasonable chance of success with the current standard therapy for their cancer. However, they cannot receive chemotherapy or radiotherapy from Simpson, & they trust Simpson's advice that mainstream healthcare will have a deleterious if not mortal effect on their health. This is not to mention complications, co-existing conditions which require management etc. There are no circumstances under which this kind of practice concerning critically ill people would be acceptable.

We have a regulated medical profession, peer review, and clinical trials, not to disenfranchise patients, but to safeguard them.*



Again, agreed. Though whilst I think anecdote is a good reason to look at possible mechanisms and, if sufficiently convincing, look at instigating serious research, I'm not sure how much of a role it should really have beyond that. We have in vitro, in vivo animal model, xenografting & Guzman's safety trial on patients with recurrent Glioblastoma Multiforme. Surely these are a more reliable basis for determining the course of future research efforts.

In fact, there are 925 PubMed results in a search of 'cannabinoids cancer'. Many of these results will concern potential anti-emetic therapies & perhaps other areas, but the point is that studies concerning cannabinoids are happening and are being funded. I repeatedly see the argument that the pharmaceutical industry can't patent hemp, so they won't research it. Yet these same individuals don't hesitate to point to the numerous studies that have been conducted with synthetic compounds to support the conclusion that hemp does cure cancer.*

A little longer than initially intended; apologies... :)

All good point, Scorps! +1
 
:( Doesn't it make you angry whenever you think about the fact that the hemp plant, cannabis, and marijuana are illegal in America today? This fact, alone, is enough for any critical thinker to realize that our government is absolutely corrupt beyond measure.

This is a conspiracy REALITY. So call me a Conspiracy Realist, CR. Why is this plant illegal? George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and virtually every founding father of America grew the hemp plant and encouraged everyone else to grow it too. Why? Because it was considered the most useful and valuable crop on Earth.

Of course, all the canvas was made from it, rope, and the strongest, most durable clothing, even the finest lace. The finest paper products could be made from it too. The oil from the seeds was found to be the cleanest burning fuel available. After the oil was extracted from the seeds, the seeds could be ground into flour that made wonderful tasting bread.

The fibrous part of the plant can be used to make thousands of environment friendly plastic products. Mercedes Benz uses industrial hemp in the body of their automobiles. Simply from an industrial perspective, the hemp plant is the most versatile and valuable plant on Earth.

What about the medicinal value of the plant? Apparently, cannabis has been used for thousands of years as an effective means of empowering the body's immune system which then cures you of whatever ails you.

According to Rick Simpson, he has been effectively curing cancer with what he calls Hemp Oil. See the video on Google. Then, of course, smoking marijuana has been proven to help folks with glaucoma, people suffering the after effects of radiation and chemotherapy treatment, and folks with muscular dystrophy, etc.

So, why then is such a wonderful plant illegal in America? Because of the corruption in government, fostered by the greed of corporate billionaires.

Apparently, E.I DuPont, along with John D. Rockefeller and friends, decided this plant had to be illegal or they would lose billions in profits. During the late 1920's into the early 1930's E. I DuPont patented a new process for making paper and counted on this to be his primary breadwinner for the next 30 years or more.

While DuPont's paper making process was expensive and not very environmentally friendly, requiring the use of trees which took 20 years to grow, he stood to make billions. He knew that superior paper could be made from hemp and that one,even two crops could be harvested each year, but he couldn't make anywhere close to the profits from using it. Also, he wanted to eliminate all competition which he could by making hemp illegal.

Then, of course, at the same time John D. Rockefeller wanted the crop illegal because he would lose billions too. Rockefeller, at the time, owned the 18 largest chemical companies in America and held patents on various drugs which he could make big profits from. You can't make big profits from a plant anyone can grow in their backyard.

So, DuPont, Rockefeller, and gang, using their enormous wealth and influence got this dork named Anslinger to spearhead the movement to make hemp illegal. They made the outrageous film called Reefer Madness and started calling hemp marijuana justto scare the hell out of folks.

They paid off politicians, educators, and the clergy to demonize marijuana and by using their totally controlled media easily sold the gullible public a pack of lies, resulting in making the most valuable crop in the world illegal.

This is not conspiracy theory. This is Conspiracy REALITY. All you need to do is some homework and you'll soon realize this is true. Please don't believe a word I write here until you do your own research. I am here to inform you, not convince you.

In the spirit of Masaru Emoto, I bless you with love.

http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/chapter-five/

This book will tell all you need to know about hemp and how Hearst, DuPont, Andrew Mellon, Harry J. Anslinger, et al. "colluded"(come to a secret understanding for a harmful purpose; conspire.) to villainize hemp in the public eye through the use of yellow journalism and political/legal power that came from a newly appointed Harry J. Anslinger to the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. It's a book that opens your eyes to the machinations of a few greedy people that cared more about making money than they cared about people.

and this one that is another great overview of why hemp was made illegal.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2012/12/05/how-hemp-became-illegal-the-marijuana-link/

For some more interesting reading on hemp try this link about the "Hemp Thrasher" article in Popular Mechanics (http://www.ukcia.org/research/PopularMechanics/index.phpI) "According to Popular Mechanics, Henry Ford’s first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the <s>CAR ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP!</s> On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, ‘grown from the soil,’ had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel.")

Actually, the car was constructed with "Hemplastic" which is made partially of hemp and it runs on hemp gas "When Henry Ford recently unveiled his plastic car, result of 12 years of research, he gave the world a glimpse of the automobile of tomorrow, its tough panels molded under hydraulic pressure of 1,500 pounds per square inch (psi) from a recipe that calls for 70 percent of cellulose fibers from wheat straw, hemp and sisal plus 30 percent resin binder. The only steel in the car is its tubular welded frame."http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201578
 
I fixed jakesteele's link from above:

http://www.ukcia.org/research/PopularMechanics/index.php

I was skeptical of those Popular Mechanics quotes, but I checked the google books archive and the articles are there. But a natural fiber being included in an early version of fiberglass / plastic is hardly a car "CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP!"

Also the following sentence does not appear in that article. No idea where it's from:

On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, ‘grown from the soil,’ had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel.
 
But a natural fiber being included in an early version of fiberglass / plastic is hardly a car "CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP!"

Indeed, the early composites and "plastics" were all made from natural materials such as fibrous plants and aggregates mixed with various binders and resins. Early formulations of Bakelite used fine sawdust, IIRC.

Hemp as "a cheap source of cellulose" is more defensible than "hemp is stronger than steel!"
 
ETA >> hemp is cultivated in the UK (in the South West where it's just about warm enough) and the oil is readily available in any supermarket, the brand-leader is "Good Oil". I've never been without a bottle of it for a few years.

Herby scrambled eggs on hemp-oil toast rules!
I've often bought hemp cooking oil in the past (it no longer seems to be available in my area) and it's from a variety that contains no THC. It tasted OK, nothing special.
I've read about that hemp farm. It regularly has people climbing over or digging under the high fences they've put around the place; potheads who apparently can't read the huge notices plastered everywhere telling them that the stuff inside won't get them high.
 
and this one that is another great overview of why hemp was made illegal.
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2012/12/05/how-hemp-became-illegal-the-marijuana-link/

Your link accuses "industrialists" (and names some) of creating propaganda to influence public opinion of marijuana:
Next came several films like ‘Reefer Madness’ (1936), ‘Marihuana: Assassin of Youth’ (1935) and ‘Marihuana: The Devil’s Weed’ (1936) which were all propaganda films designed by these industrialists to create an enemy out of marihuana.

However, in an article about Reefer Madness (http://web.archive.org/web/20060328163318/http://www.reefer-madness-movie.com/history.html) it is stated:
Reefer Madness began its cinematic life as a 1936 cautionary film entitled Tell Your Children. It was financed by a small church group, and was intended to scare the living bejeezus out of every parent who viewed it. Soon after the film was shot, however, it was purchased by the notorious exploitation film maestro Dwain Esper (Narcotic, Marihuana, Maniac), who took the liberty of cutting in salacious insert shots and slapping on the sexier title of Reefer Madness, before distributing it on the exploitation circuit.

Does this mean the conspiracy against hemp is at least partly mythical? Was legislation truly a matter of industrialists creating a ban to further their ends or was marijuana actually seen as dangerous?

I have heard this story a bunch, but never bother to fact check it. I have no trouble believing marijuana was made illegal because of its psychoactive properties, not because of worries about hemp fiber. Adding in a big business conspiracy does give it a nefarious spin though.
 
Here is an example of a vehicle CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP:

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Your link accuses "industrialists" (and names some) of creating propaganda to influence public opinion of marijuana:

Does this mean the conspiracy against hemp is at least partly mythical? Was legislation truly a matter of industrialists creating a ban to further their ends or was marijuana actually seen as dangerous?

I have heard this story a bunch, but never bother to fact check it. I have no trouble believing marijuana was made illegal because of its psychoactive properties, not because of worries about hemp fiber. Adding in a big business conspiracy does give it a nefarious spin though.
It's just another "Big Pharma" conspiracy theory. People with agendas want to imagine some deeper nefarious reason society wont let them do what they want to so.
 
I would guess >90% of people touting the myriad industrial uses of hemp only use it for getting baked. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
 
I would guess >90% of people touting the myriad industrial uses of hemp only use it for getting baked. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Yeah it's weird. Why would anyone not in the industry care? I mean, it's not like I'd be out touting the wonderfulness of copper because I like to shoot copper clad bullets in my firearms.

It's a plant. Hard to get excited about it.
 
http://www.jackherer.com/thebook/chapter-five/

This book will tell all you need to know about hemp and how Hearst, DuPont, Andrew Mellon, Harry J. Anslinger, et al. "colluded"(come to a secret understanding for a harmful purpose; conspire.) to villainize hemp in the public eye through the use of yellow journalism and political/legal power that came from a newly appointed Harry J. Anslinger to the head of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs. It's a book that opens your eyes to the machinations of a few greedy people that cared more about making money than they cared about people.

You realize that Herer pretty much just made it up right? That there is no evidence of this alleged conspiracy?

For some more interesting reading on hemp try this link about the "Hemp Thrasher" article in Popular Mechanics (http://www.ukcia.org/research/PopularMechanics/index.phpI) "According to Popular Mechanics, Henry Ford’s first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the <s>CAR ITSELF WAS CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP!</s> On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, ‘grown from the soil,’ had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel.")

Anyone who looks at old issues of Popular Mechanics will know the joy of them promoting things that never, ever came to fruition. Hemp is just another example of promoting a go-nowhere crop.

Hemp at its best becomes the 2nd best way to do anything.
 
I fixed jakesteele's link from above:

http://www.ukcia.org/research/PopularMechanics/index.php

I was skeptical of those Popular Mechanics quotes, but I checked the google books archive and the articles are there. But a natural fiber being included in an early version of fiberglass / plastic is hardly a car "CONSTRUCTED FROM HEMP!"

Also the following sentence does not appear in that article. No idea where it's from:

Ford's car was build using Soy plant fibers. Ford was a Soy nut, Hemp-heads tried to steal credit by claiming it was hemp.
 
Yeah it's weird. Why would anyone not in the industry care? I mean, it's not like I'd be out touting the wonderfulness of copper because I like to shoot copper clad bullets in my firearms.

It's a plant. Hard to get excited about it.
Indeed, coffee or tea are more interesting (and probably more valuable). In terms of usefulness what about coconut and bamboo?
 
I would guess >90% of people touting the myriad industrial uses of hemp only use it for getting baked. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

That's the whole point. A few states have legalized marijuana for recreational use, and the federal government seems unwilling to interfere. What this says to me is that the head-on arguments for recreational use are putatively credible and arguably gaining ground. Therefore there's a diminishing need to advocate hemp on questionable scientific and historical grounds.
 
Ford's car was build using Soy plant fibers. Ford was a Soy nut, Hemp-heads tried to steal credit by claiming it was hemp.

The way the cellulose composites work, he could have made it out of ragweed or saffron, with little difference. I've used hemp for rope-making. I've also sisal. I find them about equal. Which is to say, neither is as effective as the various synthetic fibers that replaced them.
 
Indeed, coffee or tea are more interesting (and probably more valuable). In terms of usefulness what about coconut and bamboo?

An effective "check" on the supposed utility of hemp and its value as a commercial crop is Canada. IIRC they cultivate non-psychoactive varieties of hemp there freely, and I don't see Canadian hemp farmers rolling in huge piles of money, nor the world flocking to Canada to obtain this allegedly valuable and irreplaceable plant. Hence while you can point to hemp as perhaps a viable cash crop, the people amplifying its alleged value while clearly using that as a proxy for recreational allowance are just being silly.
 
The way the cellulose composites work, he could have made it out of ragweed or saffron, with little difference. I've used hemp for rope-making. I've also sisal. I find them about equal. Which is to say, neither is as effective as the various synthetic fibers that replaced them.

But you can't beat the smell of an old fashioned ships rope locker.

At Chatham Dockyard there is the old RN Rope Walk. It has been in use in the same building for about 200 years.
Since the Yards closed the Walk has become a living museum. It still manufactures line and rope but it does specialist stuff that the bigger commercial outfits won't take on.
It smells wonderful, 200 years of Manila, Jute, Coir, Sisal, Pitch and Pine Resins and oils.

A lot of rope described as Hemp these days is actually Manila.

Boiled Hemp Seeds are THE bait for Roach fishing.
It is also a killer mixed into Groundbait or on it's own in a feeder for attracting bigger species like Carp, Tench and Bream. It gives them lots of tasty particles to pick at and grub for without feeding them off.
Water left over from boiling hemp is the best hing for mixing up a crumb based groundbait.
Hemp seeds for bait are sold by the sack load at tackle shops in the UK and tinned, ready boiled hemp is available as well.
 

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