Hemp? The most valuable plant is illegal in America

[bwinwright]

Doesn't it make you angry whenever you think about the fact that the hemp plant, cannabis, and marijuana are illegal in America today? This fact, alone, is enough for any critical thinker to realize that our government is absolutely corrupt beyond measure.

This is a conspiracy REALITY. So call me a Conspiracy Realist, CR. Why is this plant illegal? George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and virtually every founding father of America grew the hemp plant and encouraged everyone else to grow it too. Why? Because it was considered the most useful and valuable crop on Earth.

Of course, all the canvas was made from it, rope, and the strongest, most durable clothing, even the finest lace. The finest paper products could be made from it too. The oil from the seeds was found to be the cleanest burning fuel available. After the oil was extracted from the seeds, the seeds could be ground into flour that made wonderful tasting bread.

The fibrous part of the plant can be used to make thousands of environment friendly plastic products. Mercedes Benz uses industrial hemp in the body of their automobiles. Simply from an industrial perspective, the hemp plant is the most versatile and valuable plant on Earth.

What about the medicinal value of the plant? Apparently, cannabis has been used for thousands of years as an effective means of empowering the body's immune system which then cures you of whatever ails you.

According to Rick Simpson, he has been effectively curing cancer with what he calls Hemp Oil. See the video on Google. Then, of course, smoking marijuana has been proven to help folks with glaucoma, people suffering the after effects of radiation and chemotherapy treatment, and folks with muscular dystrophy, etc.

So, why then is such a wonderful plant illegal in America? Because of the corruption in government, fostered by the greed of corporate billionaires.

Apparently, E.I DuPont, along with John D. Rockefeller and friends, decided this plant had to be illegal or they would lose billions in profits. During the late 1920's into the early 1930's E. I DuPont patented a new process for making paper and counted on this to be his primary breadwinner for the next 30 years or more.

While DuPont's paper making process was expensive and not very environmentally friendly, requiring the use of trees which took 20 years to grow, he stood to make billions. He knew that superior paper could be made from hemp and that one,even two crops could be harvested each year, but he couldn't make anywhere close to the profits from using it. Also, he wanted to eliminate all competition which he could by making hemp illegal.

Then, of course, at the same time John D. Rockefeller wanted the crop illegal because he would lose billions too. Rockefeller, at the time, owned the 18 largest chemical companies in America and held patents on various drugs which he could make big profits from. You can't make big profits from a plant anyone can grow in their backyard.

So, DuPont, Rockefeller, and gang, using their enormous wealth and influence got this dork named Anslinger to spearhead the movement to make hemp illegal. They made the outrageous film called Reefer Madness and started calling hemp marijuana justto scare the hell out of folks.

They paid off politicians, educators, and the clergy to demonize marijuana and by using their totally controlled media easily sold the gullible public a pack of lies, resulting in making the most valuable crop in the world illegal.

This is not conspiracy theory. This is Conspiracy REALITY. All you need to do is some homework and you'll soon realize this is true. Please don't believe a word I write here until you do your own research. I am here to inform you, not convince you.

In the spirit of Masaru Emoto, I bless you with love.

 

[Praktik]

Well let us not forget the religious revivals of the 19th century which created the groundwork for a moralizing, grassroots prohibitionist movement. Grandmas and aunts and mothers and wives would form community groups advocating for the banning of alcohol - and marijuana was really just one step removed from that. So while there are economic arguments to be made regarding the potential threat of hemp to cotton (we may ask though why hemp wasn't such a threat during the first 150 years of the republic when it was legal) I see the banning of marijuana to be largely the product of a highly religious, sermonizing, grass roots movement mixed in with a little racism, since the concern regarding the (ab)use of marijuana really only hit fever pitch once it spread to younger white users in the 20s.

The establishment didn't smoke pot themselves, liked the idea of having extra leverage over impoverished black communities, shared the values of the puritans to some degree and likely felt that even a little help for the cotton growing south was a good thing. It really was Win-Win-Win-Win!

80 years later we've mostly forgotten about the racist underpinnings of the inception of these laws but unfortunately a persistent puritanism continues to view the legalization of marijuana as a "morals issue". Of course, legalization proponents see it as a "moral issue" as well, but not exactly for the same reasons..

All in all I think that you are right to some degree Belz but you ignore the bottom-up side to the criminalization of drugs, including alcohol and the fact that this was something most of the American public supported as the right and moral thing to do.

it was not crammed down the throats of America by an evil conspiracy - it was an organic product of the times (pun intended

 

[Praktik]

I will say though that the idea of curing cancer with hemp oil is completely and utterly (and dangerously) wrong.

Missed that my first time through... my lord!

 

[Rob Lister]

I will say though that the idea of curing cancer with hemp oil is completely and utterly (and dangerously) wrong.

Missed that my first time through... my lord!

Concur. Adding that part probably killed any chance of having an informative debate or discussion.

So, for the sake of staying on-topic: Hemp is demonstratively a really useful crop. If it didn't get you high then we'd likely legally import* mega-tons a year for the textile industry. Since it does get you high, we have to illegally import mega-tons a year and throw away** the industrially useful stuff.



*tends to grow better south of us, making it cheaper to import than to grow -- i'm happy to stand corrected.

**I remember as a teen I had to clean my own stash; i pay people to do that for me now.

 

[CurtC]

The Straight Dope on Hemp

Our deforestation problems! Yes, absolutely, hemp is a perfect solution. I myself can recall thinking as a youth (puff) that we've got terrible deforestation problems these days (puff). What can we do about them? (Puff. Long pause.) What was I just talking about?

One of the nuttier developments of recent times is the sudden interest in nonpharmacological hemp cultivation among people who've never grown so much as a radish. It's true that prior to criminalization hemp was grown commercially for paper, cloth, rope and twine, and other products. It grows pretty much anywhere, doesn't require much tending, and produces plenty of strong fiber.

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The suppression of hemp wasn't, as some have alleged, the result of an unholy conspiracy between federal narcotics commissioner Harry Anslinger, the Du Pont corporation, and William Randolph Hearst. No question, Anslinger was a zealot who thought marijuana was a menace to society, and Hearst's newspapers had done their best to whip up antihemp hysteria. But so had everybody else in the press. Lurid antimarijuana stories appeared in the New Yorker, for God's sake.

The hemp industry didn't pose a significant threat to Du Pont and its new synthetic product, nylon. The most widely publicized early use of nylon was for women's stockings. Hemp wasn't used for this purpose.

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I'm sure many of the agribusiness types in the hemp coalition have never smoked a joint. But for a much larger crowd, your eco-green-save-the-whales types, hemp has become a kind of alternative vegetable. (Literally--I've even seen hemp recipes.) No doubt many of these people have persuaded themselves that hemp is mankind's last hope, but don't tell me it hasn't occurred to a lot of them that legal hemp might be a step toward legal marijuana. One hemp shoemaker has a product out called H.I.G.H. Tops. Another, U.S. Hemp, stamps a marijuana leaf on its shoes, and owner Cathy Troutt was quoted in HempWorld as saying, "we aren't going to lie about our feelings on marijuana." Good for you, Cathy. Wish everybody else were as upfront.

 

[Rob Lister]

just a note to say that adding hemp to any recipe pretty much makes it taste like ass.

ETA: and having met Shemp (and his goats) I know from whence I speak. Argument from authority? Sure. Lick Shemp's goats and see for yourself.

 

[Praktik]

Well ya - it HAS occurred to me that legalization of hemp is part of a process that may include the legalization of the female plant as well.

And I think both of those things should happen.

Thankfully, I live in Canada - where we're likely to see recreational use decriminalized in a decade or two.

In the meantime, the "slippery slope" argument doesn't really hold water for me with regards to the legalization of hemp - since really we're talking about two different things here: a non-psychoactive version and a psychoactive version. The legalization of hemp should be considered on its own merits since its perfectly possible to have legal hemp and illegal marijuana and there are many districts around the world currently in that exact situation.

 

[BenBurch]

This isn't a conspiracy theory as conspiracies are secret and none of this was.

 

[bwinwright]

How can you be so sure about the effects of hemp oil on the immune system? Where is your evidence of this? Just admit it, you're guessing. You don't really have a clue do you?

You probably believe radiation and chemotherapy are the best cancer treatments available, don't you? Of course you do. Our medical establishment is absolutely squeaky clean, isn't it? The lust for billions in profits has absolutely nothing to do with the marijuana question, right? Can you say naive?

Who shapes, fashions, and creates the mass attitude about virtually everything?
Read up on the Tavistock Institute and Operation Mockingbird. Your naivety is the result of such sophisticated programming.

The Golden Rule? He who has the most gold rules. You naive girls need to awaken to this reality. This is REAL. You are so easily controlled.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

How can you be so sure about the effects of hemp oil on the immune system? Where is your evidence of this? Just admit it, you're guessing. You don't really have a clue do you?

Logic don't work that way.
Where's your evidence that hemp oil is effective at strengthening the immune system?

 

[Praktik]

Wow dude. If I'm so controlled, then why is it they haven't managed to control me to the point where I'm against the legalization of marijuana?

Maybe you didn't read my posts, but i'm PRO-legalization, something The Man doesn't really want.

Perhaps you can give us the peer-reviewed science showing hemp oil as a cure for cancer to start - as the one making the claim the burden of proof is on you and if you think that one sentence in your post (hearsay - and unlinked hearsay at that) should be sufficient proof for all those who read it then that says something about your standards of evidence.

Why should anyone accept "According to Rick Simpson, he has been effectively curing cancer with what he calls Hemp Oil." without further substantiation?

Notice I didn't disagree with the next sentence regarding medicinal marijuana and its benefits for glaucoma, AIDS, MS, and other diseases.

Why did my controllers let that one slip through?

I'd refrain from going overboard on the derisive language ("naive girls" - how is my sex determined by my posts?), its frowned upon here. I know your sense of superiority rests on you feeling privvy to special knowledge the rest of us sheep don't have, but c'mon, you know thats not going to help the debate now is it?

How many good discussions have you had after someone called you a "naive girl"?

Let's see a little maturity and less name-calling. Your private views about how much smarter you are than the "controlled" should stay private.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Jesus Herbert Christ... how does one reach the conclusion that hemp oil "cures" cancer? THC in marijuana has been shown to have a slowing effect on the growth of cancer. That is NOT the same as saying hemp oil - with unknown quantities and mixtures of whatever compounds are available in hemp - can "cure cancer". That takes the legitimate research on THC's effect to absurd, unsupported conclusions.

If hemp oil has an effect, demonstrate it with blinded studies (yes, plural) against proper control groups, then demonstrate that the trend towards cancer remission exists with meta-analysis on all the data gathered. Google videos don't cut it. Show the proof, not some vanity video making claims without corresponding documentation.

Just to shoot down one stupid claim in that movie (that I shut off before the stupidity put me in a coma):

Hemp is a plant and therefore it cannot be patented. To drug companies, no patent means no money. Hence, no interest in producing this drug.

Oh really? Explain digitalis, L-Dopa, Irinotecan, Podophyllotoxin, Taxol, Teniposide, and others, the last three specifically being anti-cancer agents derived from plant sources. If a plant has a medicinal property, you couldn't keep drug companies away from it, not even with a bat, a gun, and a pack of angry dogs. The fact that a plant cannot be patented doesn't mean that the treatment from the plant cannot be either. If a plant or a plant derivative showed true promise in blinded, controlled studies, then the drug companies would be all over each other trying to get a hold of it. That claim that Simpson makes is just brain dead.

If that's the level of intelligence in that video, then why should I believe the rest of the claims in it? Provide the proof, not a windy story. Numbers of patients, measure of tumor reduction, comparison against control, normalization against spontaneous remission, etc. etc. That's proof. Everything else is just blowing air.

 

[bwinwright]

I am simply informing you. You can choose to do your own homework or not. I don't have to prove a thing. If you get cancer, go ahead and let them kill you with radiation and chemotherapy because they showed you some "proof", false proof.


Proof? Get real. You can't trust anyone today. You'd better check it out for yourself. Don't rely on anyone else to do your homework for you. Hell, there are countless people participating on this forum who still believe Osama bin Laden was responsible for the crimes on 9/11. Why? The government told them so. The the official 9/11 report is proof, right?

Man, you need to grow up. I'm simply trying to inform you about something that might save your life. If you are too lazy to check it out, that's your choice. How in the hell can I possibly PROVE it to you. The stuff is ILLEGAL. Please grow up.

 

[Praktik]

Wow, you're pretty confrontational bwinwright, did you start this thread for a discussion or for sermonizing/insulting other board members?

"lazy", "please grow up" - what do you think the reaction to that is going to be?

I might privately think you're a deluded flake, but me saying so wouldn't be very productive now would it?

oops.. let that one slip..

 

[bwinwright]

El mondo hummus, wow, what a naive person you are. Let me remind you about the Golden Rule of our current Corporate ruled government, which is He who has the most gold rules!

Why do you people insist on acting as if truth, love, and justice play any role at all in this big money game? Wow! The naivety is incredible here. Wake up.

You act as if the Rockefeller controlled Medical establishment gives a damn about fairness or your life. Please. Marijuana is illegal for one reason. The Rockefeller family and their trillionaire friends want it illegal. That's it. Any other explanation is sheer nonsense.

Money, money, money is the answer here. Follow the money. You girls might prefer the girl scouts forum where you can eat some cookies, drink your milk , and talk about which outfit Brittany should wear next.

 

[Praktik]

awaits moderator

oh, and its "Britney"..

 

[bwinwright]

Praktik, when I read absolute nonsense I simply call it like I see it. You are incredibly naive.

The truth is you know absolutely nothing about the effects of hemp oil on the immune system because you have had no access to any such research. Why? Because our rulers will not permit it. This is the reality of it.

I am sorry if I hurt your feelings but you are naive.

 

[Praktik]

So, naive enough to not believe that hemp oil cures cancer from a google video w/ no supporting research provided

Yet not so naive that I'm a prohibitionist when it comes to pot.

So I guess I'm half-naive, half-not-naive - the barometer being the degree to which my statements conform to your beliefs.

I got it now: disagree w/ bwinwright = naive

agree w/ bwinright = enlightened

 

[HereticHulk]

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[JimBenArm]

El mondo hummus, wow, what a naive person you are. Let me remind you about the Golden Rule of our current Corporate ruled government, which is He who has the most gold rules!

Why do you people insist on acting as if truth, love, and justice play any role at all in this big money game? Wow! The naivety is incredible here. Wake up.

You act as if the Rockefeller controlled Medical establishment gives a damn about fairness or your life. Please. Marijuana is illegal for one reason. The Rockefeller family and their trillionaire friends want it illegal. That's it. Any other explanation is sheer nonsense.

Money, money, money is the answer here. Follow the money. You girls might prefer the girl scouts forum where you can eat some cookies, drink your milk , and talk about which outfit Brittany should wear next.

No, we prefer to talk about how your lack of maturity and name-calling undermines your message. Much more entertaining. Gee, why doesn't anyone take anything you say seriously? Becaust the second anyone doesn't immediately say "halleluiah, amen!", you resort to childish insults, ridiculous foot-stamping, and cries for us to "wake up!". Sorry, but that's just trying to do mind control. "Don't question what I say! Just believe!" Yeah, we're the blind ones. We're the one just accepting things. Yeah. You betcha.