Hemp? The most valuable plant is illegal in America

[JayUtah]

But you can't beat the smell of an old fashioned ships rope locker.

Agreed, or the rope works in Boston. There is a certain nostalgia to it.

A lot of rope described as Hemp these days is actually Manila.

Indeed, but where I grew up non-psychoactive hemp grew wild. We made rope from it not to get the rope, but to learn the practice of transforming plant fibers into useful objects. The process was the goal of the exercise, not the resulting rope.

 

[Robrob]

An effective "check" on the supposed utility of hemp and its value as a commercial crop is Canada. IIRC they cultivate non-psychoactive varieties of hemp there freely, and I don't see Canadian hemp farmers rolling in huge piles of money, nor the world flocking to Canada to obtain this allegedly valuable and irreplaceable plant. Hence while you can point to hemp as perhaps a viable cash crop, the people amplifying its alleged value while clearly using that as a proxy for recreational allowance are just being silly.

The profit motive is an effective "check" for many other CT as well.

"Big Pharma" is suppressing cancer cures!"

How much money could Big Pharma make selling a 100% certain cure for cancer?

 

[TheRedWorm]

The profit motive is an effective "check" for many other CT as well.

"Big Pharma" is suppressing cancer cures!"

How much money could Big Pharma make selling a 100% certain cure for cancer?

All of it.

 

[kookbreaker]

An effective "check" on the supposed utility of hemp and its value as a commercial crop is Canada. IIRC they cultivate non-psychoactive varieties of hemp there freely, and I don't see Canadian hemp farmers rolling in huge piles of money, nor the world flocking to Canada to obtain this allegedly valuable and irreplaceable plant. Hence while you can point to hemp as perhaps a viable cash crop, the people amplifying its alleged value while clearly using that as a proxy for recreational allowance are just being silly.

Once Hemp growing was legalized they had a glut very quickly. Essentially the promoters had grossly overstated the utility of hemp. Once a lot of the 'forbidden fruit' allure products were sated ("My T-shirt is made of HEMP"), and a tiny handful of other uses alloted that still left tons of hemp and a lot of farmers holding the bag. The hemp advocates did a lot of rationalizing, but in the end their complaint was 'Why didn't all these industries re-tool for a special crop!!!?'.

 

[kookbreaker]

The way the cellulose composites work, he could have made it out of ragweed or saffron, with little difference. I've used hemp for rope-making. I've also sisal. I find them about equal. Which is to say, neither is as effective as the various synthetic fibers that replaced them.

Except when I am making matchcord for cannons and 17th century muskets. Poly-core has problems with being on fire.

 

[Bingowings]

All of it.

This.

I did a quick google and found this document outlining palliative care costs in the UK.

About three grand a week for inpatients and just over one thousand for an outpatient for the last year of life. 150K per inpatient per year and that's just for the care and not any medication they may be taking.

If you factor in the lost productivity from these people not working, with perhaps another person giving up work to look after them then these drugs would be worth a FORTUNE to society, never mind the individual.

I can imagine the board-meeting going on in these insane theorist's minds:

The CEO of Pharmaglox-Megaceuticals invites the head of Oncology Section ZZ-Alpha to give his presentation.

So, Jhopkins. It says here you can 'cure cancer'.
"Oh yes, Mr. Illuminati-Jew. It's absolutely true."
Call me Gila.
"Yes, um, Gila. One small pill, taken once a day for two weeks causes all known cancers to wither and die."
All cancers?
"Yes. It's really quite simple, you see..."
Thank you, Jhopkins. You may leave us.
"But Sir..."
Thank you, Jhopkins.

As the double doors of the boardroom close behind Jhopkins, Gila Illuminati-Jew leans forward in his chair. He presses a button on a small intercom device embedded in the desk.

"Kill him"

He extends his almost prehensile tongue and licks his eyebrows back into shape.

"Quarterlies, gentlemen. How are we looking?"

Moon-Hitler shuffles uncomfortably in his seat.

(Cont. p94)

 

[Robrob]

This.

I did a quick google and found this document outlining palliative care costs in the UK.

About three grand a week for inpatients and just over one thousand for an outpatient for the last year of life. 150K per inpatient per year and that's just for the care and not any medication they may be taking.

If you factor in the lost productivity from these people not working, with perhaps another person giving up work to look after them then these drugs would be worth a FORTUNE to society, never mind the individual.

As you said, the CT response would be more profit in people getting sick, etc...

Conveniently ignoring the fact even the most dedicated Illuminati, minion and scientist have spouses, family, friends, etc... all vulnerable to cancer. You'd think one of them might one day say, rather than let my child die - I'm going to tell the world?

 

[marplots]

As you said, the CT response would be more profit in people getting sick, etc...

Conveniently ignoring the fact even the most dedicated Illuminati, minion and scientist have spouses, family, friends, etc... all vulnerable to cancer. You'd think one of them might one day say, rather than let my child die - I'm going to tell the world?

You have grossly underestimated our dedication and loyalty to the cause. Not even one granule out of place in the entire edifice. Not even one.

 

[Snarf]

I can imagine the board-meeting going on in these insane theorist's minds:

The CEO of Pharmaglox-Megaceuticals invites the head of Oncology Section ZZ-Alpha to give his presentation.

So, Jhopkins. It says here you can 'cure cancer'.
"Oh yes, Mr. Illuminati-Jew. It's absolutely true."
Call me Gila.
"Yes, um, Gila. One small pill, taken once a day for two weeks causes all known cancers to wither and die."
All cancers?
"Yes. It's really quite simple, you see..."
Thank you, Jhopkins. You may leave us.
"But Sir..."
Thank you, Jhopkins.

As the double doors of the boardroom close behind Jhopkins, Gila Illuminati-Jew leans forward in his chair. He presses a button on a small intercom device embedded in the desk.

"Kill him"

He extends his almost prehensile tongue and licks his eyebrows back into shape.

"Quarterlies, gentlemen. How are we looking?"

Moon-Hitler shuffles uncomfortably in his seat.

(Cont. p94)

 

[catsmate]

An effective "check" on the supposed utility of hemp and its value as a commercial crop is Canada. IIRC they cultivate non-psychoactive varieties of hemp there freely, and I don't see Canadian hemp farmers rolling in huge piles of money, nor the world flocking to Canada to obtain this allegedly valuable and irreplaceable plant. Hence while you can point to hemp as perhaps a viable cash crop, the people amplifying its alleged value while clearly using that as a proxy for recreational allowance are just being silly.

Once Hemp growing was legalized they had a glut very quickly. Essentially the promoters had grossly overstated the utility of hemp. Once a lot of the 'forbidden fruit' allure products were sated ("My T-shirt is made of HEMP"), and a tiny handful of other uses alloted that still left tons of hemp and a lot of farmers holding the bag. The hemp advocates did a lot of rationalizing, but in the end their complaint was 'Why didn't all these industries re-tool for a special crop!!!?'.

This. In Ireland DAg experimented with hemp about fifteen/twenty years ago, it faded rapidly.
Though at least it didn't leave a 'feral hemp' problem like the failed ostrich farms.

 

[kookbreaker]

This. In Ireland DAg experimented with hemp about fifteen/twenty years ago, it faded rapidly.
Though at least it didn't leave a 'feral hemp' problem like the failed ostrich farms.

Another thing about Hemp is that if it was 'all that' why aren't the major players and consumers jumping towards it?

Paper, for example. Germany has the leading technology and production in paper and they have done nothing with hemp and have no desire to do so.

China has had desperate need for paper - mostly for cardboard shipping. Yet are they planting fields of Hemp and tooling their paper mills for Hemp fiber production? Nope. They are desperately trying to start softwood tree farms and are importing our recycled paper.

Speaks volumes.

 

[jakesteele]

It doesn't make me angry so much as it makes me shrug at a probably unneeded law.



Hemp is actually a really crappy crop in many ways. I note that the founding fathers that state this were the ones who owned slaves. Slaves that would do the harsh, devastating harvesting of the stuff.



Horse-crap. Hemp makes tough rope and strong fabric (albeit fabric that is very vulnerable to rot and a royal pain to weave and sew). Making lace out of hemp is like making lace out of Cecil fibers. What's the point?



Horse crap as well. Read some old paper-making manuals from yesteryear, such as old printings of Pulp and Paper. Hemp is considered the worst material to make paper 'of the worst quality' was the words used.



Doubtful.



Not in my experience.



So can many other fiberous plants, fiberous plants that don't destroy farming equipment when they are harvested.



And yet, where it is legal, which pretty much the rest of the world, it hasn't exactly taken off as a crop. You'd think such a wonderful crop would dominate the farming industry in say, Germany, which is top of the heap when it comes to the paper industry. Yet beyond some minor novelty products and some very minor industrial uses it pretty much isn't there.

The reason for this is simple: Hemp is, at best, the second best way to do all the things it is praised for. Almost always there is a better crop, better product. Most of which do not damage farming equipment.



This has been already argued by others.



Actually, it was mostly racism. Sorry, but a lot of folks share the blame. Not just billionaires.



Hoo-boy.



He knew no such thing because it was not true.

[QOTE]
and that one,even two crops could be harvested each year, but he couldn't make anywhere close to the profits from using it. Also, he wanted to eliminate all competition which he could by making hemp illegal.

Nonsense. Complete ignorance of reality.



Pure nonsense.



Anyone who has a clue about history knows Anslinger didn't need any influencing, and the movie Reefer Madness was hardly effective at doing anything.



Nonsense, totally unfounded. Anslinger was determined to find something new to demonize, the clergy certainly didn't need payoffs to preach against another vice, and politicians were always happy to cowtow to a bit of racism in that era. This was an era of particularly gross pandering.

It doesn't help your cause that hardly any hemp was being grown in the US even before it was made illegal. In fact, a few farms that were growing it kept on growing it after the laws were passed simply because nobody came around and told them not to. Those growers eventually stopped growing the stuff because of indifference and the fact that it is a bitch to harvest.



I'm sorry, but for someone who plans to inform me, perhaps you might want to get a few facts about your crop straight to begin with. Hemp ain't 'all that'.[/QUOTE]

Wow!! You seem to have a direct pipeline to the "real truth" about things

Got some links, charts or graphs, etc. so the rest of us can get up to speed with you?

 

[catsmate]

Nonsense. Complete ignorance of reality.



Pure nonsense.


<snippage>

So no actual facts to support your contentions about hemp? Or to counter their refutation? Just more unsupported assertions.

 

[kookbreaker]

Please learn to use the quote function.

Wow!! You seem to have a direct pipeline to the "real truth" about things

Got some links, charts or graphs, etc. so the rest of us can get up to speed with you?

Hemp advocates have had years and years to present evidence of their claims and have yet to do so.

Anything you specifically want me to tackle or is this some kind of reverse Gish Gallop?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Hemp at its best becomes the 2nd best way to do anything.

Hemp rope is far superior to manilla rope. Over time manilla fibers break leading to rough surfaces and tiny splinters that get into your hand and stay there, impossible to get out until they fester up. Even after the splinter is removed the fester takes days to drain out and start healing.

Hemp rope becomes softer with use. In the basement of a theatre I worked in for a while was a pile of the old hemp rope from the dead-hung battens, that had been replaced with manilla. Amazing stuff, very different in feel and texture. They kept the pile around mostly for props work because actors handling the rope (for HMS Pinafore and shows like that) won't get all messed up and it won't snag costumes.

Of course, all the manilla linesets in another theatre I worked in was replaced with a modern synthetic kernmantel rope. That stuff is Super Extra Awesome. Totally worth the work of squatting on dusty head blocks up at the top of the arbors for 2 weeks.

So yes, hemp rope is "second best" to modern rope but far superior to other organic-fiber rope.

 

[marplots]

(much snipped)

So yes, hemp rope is "second best" to modern rope but far superior to other organic-fiber rope.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "superior." According to these guys (http://www.contractorsrope.com/hemp-manila-rope.html) manila is 20% stronger and more durable, which is why it largely replaced hemp back in the day.

If they weigh the same, you'd be able to use 20% less rope (by weight) for the same application - a significant savings. My experience is more with metal cable, and a thinner cable with the same strength was much preferred, although usually much more expensive.

It might come down to a cost vs performance comparison between manila and hemp.

 

[kookbreaker]

Hemp rope is far superior to manilla rope. Over time manilla fibers break leading to rough surfaces and tiny splinters that get into your hand and stay there, impossible to get out until they fester up. Even after the splinter is removed the fester takes days to drain out and start healing.

Hemp rope becomes softer with use. In the basement of a theatre I worked in for a while was a pile of the old hemp rope from the dead-hung battens, that had been replaced with manilla. Amazing stuff, very different in feel and texture. They kept the pile around mostly for props work because actors handling the rope (for HMS Pinafore and shows like that) won't get all messed up and it won't snag costumes.

Of course, all the manilla linesets in another theatre I worked in was replaced with a modern synthetic kernmantel rope. That stuff is Super Extra Awesome. Totally worth the work of squatting on dusty head blocks up at the top of the arbors for 2 weeks.

So yes, hemp rope is "second best" to modern rope but far superior to other organic-fiber rope.

When you remove synthetics then hemp does rise a bit in rank, but there are good reasons we went to the synthetics. Not the least of which is the problems with harvesting and working with the stuff. Also hemp is prone to rotting.

Perhaps more to the point is that the usual claim is that DuPont was in the on the "ban hemp" conspiracy because hemp rope competed with the Nylon rope. Of course this ignores the fact that almost all the Nylon Dupont could make was going into nylon stockings and other products. Nylon ropes came much later.

 

[dudalb]

The Laws against raising hemp are stupid.
The idea that Hemp is a miracle material that is automatically better then anything else is just as stupid.
And,btw, it is my understanding that Hemp ..as opposed to other forms of weed....is a lousy high anyway.

 

[MaxMurx]

Flax, not hemp. Cotton, not Rockefeller

The European city I was born became rich and powerful by processing flax. Flax has exactly the properties allegedly being present in hemp (except those magical mystical "healing properties". Financial difficulties started when linen, made from flax, was replaced by US American cotton. Because cotton was harvested by slaves, it became cheaper and European linen producers went into bancruptcy.

US American cotton by the way came from the port of Genoa, then was further upgraded in the French city of Nimes and then sold to England to produce clothing.

The French word for "Genoa" is "Genes", pronounced "Jeans" in English. "From Nimes" in French means "de Nimes" which became "Denim", the way it is pronounced in French.