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Heeeeeeere's Obamacare!

Sabretooth said:
I know other states are different, but the fact that any NYer didn't haven't insurance was their own damn fault.

NY has (had?) a plan called Family Health Plus. It basically gave health insurance to anyone who wanted it that didn't qualify through other means...and depending on income, the cost was anywhere from ZERO to a few hundred dollars a month.

When I was working part-time after getting laid-off back in 2004, I was paying a whopping $9 a month.

Anyway...back to the show...
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Maximum gross income for a single person: $11,490. So someone working 40 hours a week at minimum wage job ($7.25) with no health benefits makes $15K. Exactly how was it their fault?
 
Spindrift said:
Maximum gross income for a single person: $11,490. So someone working 40 hours a week at minimum wage job ($7.25) with no health benefits makes $15K. Exactly how was it their fault?
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Because it would have qualified them for FREE (or damn near free) health insurance.
 
Olowkow said:
This landscape of scapegoating is beginning to look a lot like fascism to me.
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No. This isnt fascism it RIDICULE. As in we're laughing AT you not with you like we do with flat earthers and evolution deniers. When you hold unproven, racist based and completely unsupported ideas, you need to get used to that.
 
Good. Now my father can get the care he needs. He's got the social security version of health care... which means half the time his morphine pump he needs running to keep his life bearable with pancreatitis runs out, putting withdrawl on top of unspeakable pain. The doctors keep shuffling him around, doctor to doctor, sometimes he can see no one...

Now, he can get actual insurance and they can't shoot him down for having a preexisting condition. And I don't have to go through another long week of staying awake at night to make sure he doesn't put a bullet in his head.
 
DGM said:
I'd be interested to see what you find once you look into it.

It still doesn't address where the money for the subsidies is coming from. If it's coming from taxes or increased cost to employers it's still coming out of your wallet.

You don't think Walmart or Homedepot are going to absorb this cost, do you?
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The money for subsidies is mostly coming out of Medicare.
 
DGM said:
I'd pay more through the market place. If I keep what I have, I have better coverage for less.
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So you keep your current plan. Problem solved.

ETA: Oh, I see. You just want to complain about "redistribution of wealth" :rolleyes:
 
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MattusMaximus said:
So you keep your current plan. Problem solved.

ETA: Oh, I see. You just want to complain about "redistribution of wealth" :rolleyes:
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We obviously have different views on reform controlling costs.

Why call it heathcare reform instead of cost redistribution? Let me guess, no one would vote for it. :rolleyes:
 
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DGM said:
We obviously have different views on reform controlling costs.

Why call it heathcare reform instead of redistribution? Let me guess, no one would vote for it. :rolleyes:
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Because the result is people who were denied health care before now have access to it. Words mean things.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I still don't understand why there is such resistance against making it easier for people to get health insurance and care.
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As far as I can work out, it goes like this:


Me. Me. Mine!! Not yours. Mine! But if he gets it, I want better cos I'm better than him! Wah, wah, wah. UNFAIR!!!!!



Then they shut down the government.
 
Spindrift said:
Yes, they pay more than zero, because they didn't have health care before.
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And the rest is paid for by increased costs to other subscribers. With more people being allowed to signing up, wouldn't that actually increase cost (to most)?

How does this reform heathcare costs again?
 
Spindrift said:
Huh? They're not qualified. They make too much by simply having a full-time minimum wage job.
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Not in NY they don't.

The premiums were based on your income. When I went to full time making $9.33/hr, I was still only paying $23/month.

In NY, everyone making less than $34,000 qualified for state health care.
 
DGM said:
And the rest is paid for by increased costs to other subscribers. With more people being allowed to signing up, wouldn't that actually increase cost (to most)?

How does this reform heathcare costs again?
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With more people having access to health insurance, it ensures that people will be healthier over the long term. This brings down overall costs. In the long term.

With more people having access to health insurance, it will help ensure that doctors and hospitals get paid, instead of writing off those who don't have insurance, but get necessary care anyways, which cause the hospitals to drive up costs for everyone else.
 
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