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Heeeeeeere's Obamacare!

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Shalamar said:
With more people having access to health insurance, it ensures that people will be healthier over the long term. This brings down overall costs. In the long term.

With more people having access to health insurance, it will help ensure that doctors and hospitals get paid, instead of writing off those who don't have insurance, but get necessary care anyways, which cause the hospitals to drive up costs for everyone else.
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I know the principle. :rolleyes:


I also know the realities. Someone is going to have to pay the difference and large concessions in other services are going to have to be made. What government services do you think we should give up first?
 
Sabretooth said:
Those numbers are for FREE healthcare. You can still apply if you make more than that. The premiums are pro-rated based on your income.
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Mass Health is the same way. It really didn't start get noticed until people were forced to do it. It's costly (for the state) but it's the way it's going to be.
 
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DGM said:
I know the principle. :rolleyes:


I also know the realities. Someone is going to have to pay the difference and large concessions in other services are going to have to be made. What government services do you think we should give up first?
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It doesn't work that way. You're already paying for these other people, only you're doing it in the most inefficient way possible. They don't have insurance, so the hospital eats the cost or the patients go bankrupt (which hurts other people) and your premiums go up. This has people contribute what they can either through premiums (some of it subsidized by savings taken from Medicare providers) and some of it through copays. In other words, everyone is paying in now, and everyone is getting covered.

As you may have heard, the CBO says that not only do we not need to cut services to fund this, but it saves us money overall. And considering that the premiums have come in 16% under their projections, the savings will be bigger than they projected.
 
Unabogie said:
It doesn't work that way. You're already paying for these other people, only you're doing it in the most inefficient way possible. They don't have insurance, so the hospital eats the cost or the patients go bankrupt (which hurts other people) and your premiums go up. This has people contribute what they can either through premiums (some of it subsidized by savings taken from Medicare providers) and some of it through copays. In other words, everyone is paying in now, and everyone is getting covered.

As you may have heard, the CBO says that not only do we not need to cut services to fund this, but it saves us money overall. And considering that the premiums have come in 16% under their projections, the savings will be bigger than they projected.
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I know how it works. I live in MA.

My premiums and taxes continue to rise and we have one of the lowest un-insured rates in the country (~3%).
 
DGM said:
I know how it works. I live in MA.

My premiums and taxes continue to rise and we have one of the lowest un-insured rates in the country (~3%).
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Can you show that these two stats are in some way causal?
 
3point14 said:
Can you show that these two stats are in some way causal?
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Rates/taxes have not dropped since the plan was implemented. Shouldn't atleast the insurance premiums dropped?

ETA: We have mandatory healthcare (Romneycare)
 
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lionking said:
A step in the right direction. Sadly, I think Republicans will either tear it down completely or render it impotent.
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Nope. This is historic. Gonna be 10 or 20 million people getting healthcare through the exchanges by 2016. This changes everything. GOP knows this as well. Sad to see a party I used to agree with on a lot of things just completely lose their minds.
 
3point14 said:
Can you show that these two stats are in some way causal?
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DGM said:
Rates/taxes have not dropped since the plan was implemented. Shouldn't atleast the insurance premiums dropped?

ETA: We have mandatory healthcare (Romneycare)
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I'm not sure you know the difference between a cause and a correlation.

Besides, you seem to be ignoring the fact that, despite what has happened in MA, the CBO is projecting a long term decrease in overall costs due to the ACA.
 
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3point14 said:
As far as I can work out, it goes like this:


Me. Me. Mine!! Not yours. Mine! But if he gets it, I want better cos I'm better than him! Wah, wah, wah. UNFAIR!!!!!



Then they shut down the government.
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In a nutshell.
 
DGM said:
I seem to remember officials in MA saying the same thing. Why would I doubt the CBO. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, they're only the non-partisan experts on such governmental financial matters. You obviously know better than they do.

:rolleyes: back at ya
 
Interesting perspective that the GOP will fight Obamacare for *years* more

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...own_and_obamacare_poetic_justice_for_gop.html

JIM VANDEHEI, POLITICO: The most important thing to remember in the health care debate is that almost every Republican of consequence right now is a child of the health care revolution. They came to power in 2009 because of health care. It was when health care became a big debate that suddenly the president started to lose independents. That's when the Tea Party rose up and became a real movement. So your Governor Christies, your Rubios, your Rand Pauls, your Ted Cruzes, most of these rank-and-file members in the House, they all were elected because of Obamacare. They didn't even serve in government pre-Obamacare. So their entire political career has been defined by a debate over Obamacare. And so there's a poetic justice that on the day you're shutting down the government you have the Obamacare exchanges starting. And so this debate, while seeming severe in the moment, it's just part of a much longer narrative that's not going to end today. It's not even going to end when the shutdown concludes. It's not going to probably end until after the 2014 or 2016 elections because Republicans are not going to back down in their effort to defund and ultimately get rid of Obamacare, and there's no way that President Obama or Democrats would ever compromise. It is the signature domestic accomplishment of this presidency. It's crazy to think that the president could ever or would ever truly compromise to get rid of anything else in the health care law.
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And the longer they fight against it, the more and more stupid they'll look. Especially after more and more people sign up for it.

You can't fix stupid.
 
healthcare.gov is taking forever to load! I'll never get health insurance.:(
 
DGM said:
I never said I know better. I just don't believe it. Call me a pessimist.

BTW. Has the CBO always been right? :rolleyes:
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The CBO hasn't been right 100% of the time, therefore I'm correct.

Such stunning logic.
 
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