Have you ever experienced a paranormal phenomenon?

[Mashuna]

We know enough to be able to say that these components cannot possibly give rise to a phenomenon like remote viewing.

Is that right.

"He who thinks he knows, doesn't know. He who knows that he doesn't know, knows." -Joseph Campbell

It's a fairly definite statement, and you're correct, it does seem to slam the door shut on further investigation in a narrow-minded way. If only arthwollipot had clarified this statement in some way, indicating that for remote viewing to be true, it would mean that much of our current, well-evidenced understanding of physics would have to be false.

That can only be explained if there is some way that the mind can be detached somehow from the neural substrate of the brain and operate independently of it. Not only is there no evidence that this can happen, there is no plausible mechanism consistent with the laws of nature as we know them by which this can happen.

Oh wait, he did.

 

[Limbo]

It's a fairly definite statement, and you're correct, it does seem to slam the door shut on further investigation in a narrow-minded way. If only arthwollipot had clarified this statement in some way, indicating that for remote viewing to be true, it would mean that much of our current, well-evidenced understanding of physics would have to be false.




Oh wait, he did.

First he 'slammed the door shut' on further investigation, as you say. But he didn't exactly open a window when he 'clarified that statement.' He says there is 'no evidence, mechanism consistent with the laws of nature'...that simply isn't true.

An example of opening a window would be acknowledging the possibility that consciousness could have a non-local ("detached") aspect, which can be framed in terms of quantum entanglement, perhaps? That is why I posted that video, which mentions remote viewing.

 

[Mashuna]

First he 'slammed the door shut' on further investigation, as you say. But he didn't exactly open a window when he 'clarified that statement.' He says there is 'no evidence, mechanism consistent with the laws of nature'...that simply isn't true.

So which mechanism did you have in mind, if the statement isn't true?

An example of opening a window would be acknowledging the possibility that consciousness could have a non-local ("detached") aspect, which can be framed in terms of quantum entanglement, perhaps? That is why I posted that video, which mentions remote viewing.

If you can explain how quantum entanglement could relate to detatched consciousness and remote viewing, then that's great. Whenever I've heard the term before though, it's just a placeholder for 'magic' (see also 'why homeopathy works'). It's never addressed any of the physical, macro problems with remote viewing.

 

[Lanzy]

what's a lucre?

JJ You haven't shared your exact experiences and of course you have no reason to do so. From your comments I'm not sure you really believe in remote viewing anyway, just that you had some intresting experiences with it.

I've had some interesting experiences with hypnosis including past life regression and recovered memories. That's why I answered yes to alien abduction. While under hypnosis back in 1980 I revealed being abducted by aliens when I was 17 in 1969. But I was 17 and completely full of wooishism so maybe I thought I was for some reason.

I did however experience an incident in 1972 that was truly odd. While at work in my first real office type job I heard my baby daughter cry out. I called my wife at home and told her to check on the baby right now. She actually caught my daughter as she mangered to climb out of the crib just before she would have cracked her head on the tiles.

About UFOs; can we please stop calling things you can't identify a UFO? I know you are all technically correct, but I could throw a rock by your head and you could call it a UFO. To me a UFO isn't just hard to identify it just can't be done.

Part 2; Yes I reported a UFO in Arkansas in 1983 at Ft. Chaffee, 17 soldiers were a witness to it and it was never identified. Strange stuff that night, but that would be another long story.

 

[stonequarry]

Answer to the question is no.
Nobody has paranormal powers no matter how much they claim to.
ESP, psychics, empaths - all frauds.
Hence the challenge offered by JR.

 

[Limbo]

So which mechanism did you have in mind, if the statement isn't true?

/shrug

Maybe something like this? Just found it a minute ago.

Unified Theory of Bivacuum, Matter, Fields & Time as a Background of New Fundamental Bivacuum Mediated Interaction and Paranormal Phenomena

"Numerous studies have demonstrated (Targ & Katra, 1998) that size of the target (down to 1 mm square) and distance between sender and target (up to 10,000 miles) do not appear to significantly impair signal perception. The electromagnetic shielding by Faraday cage or sea water does not negatively impact remote viewing ability. These data, pointing to anisotropic component of BMI, are in accordance with proposed mechanism of nonlocal interaction via bundles of NVirGSMES  Rn, connecting coherent elementary particles of Sender and Receiver, as a part of BMI. We can see, that the proposed in this work new resonant Bivacuum mediated interaction (BMI) between psychic and target can explain all above described phenomena. The old, currently existing paradigm, failed to do this." pg 142

 

[paximperium]

I suspect that this poster is being deeply dishonest!

Suspect what you wish but everyone else can draw their own conclusion about your cop-out and ignorance when called to task.

BTW: Please very clearly state what I've done is "dishonest" or do we take you astoundingly "honest" word on this?

I have never met someone who uses phrases like 'If there's one thing I can't stand ..." who do not also produce a froth of irritability on a wide range of topics, including, often, incorrectly placed cutlery and toilet seats.

Nice ad hominem. A little amateurish but keep practicing.

Those who doubt that the workings of our brain/mind are still a profound mystery to us should examine what shot-in-the-dark psychiatric drugs do to brains and bodies in the name of scientific medicine.

I have and still do so. Why are you still proudly proclaiming your astounding ignorance on this subject? Holes in our understanding of neuropsychiatry and neurophysiology of the brain is NOT evidence for you super powers.

Try again. Maybe you'll sound less stupid and ignorant.

 

[Skeptic Guy]

Is that right.

"He who thinks he knows, doesn't know. He who knows that he doesn't know, knows." -Joseph Campbell

Consciousness and Quantum Coherence

Aaaaaahhhh, I hate it when people who don't understand quantum mechanics use the word "quantum".

 

[Mashuna]

/shrug

Maybe something like this? Just found it a minute ago.

Unified Theory of Bivacuum, Matter, Fields & Time as a Background of New Fundamental Bivacuum Mediated Interaction and Paranormal Phenomena

"Numerous studies have demonstrated (Targ & Katra, 1998) that size of the target (down to 1 mm square) and distance between sender and target (up to 10,000 miles) do not appear to significantly impair signal perception. The electromagnetic shielding by Faraday cage or sea water does not negatively impact remote viewing ability. These data, pointing to anisotropic component of BMI, are in accordance with proposed mechanism of nonlocal interaction via bundles of NVirGSMES  Rn, connecting coherent elementary particles of Sender and Receiver, as a part of BMI. We can see, that the proposed in this work new resonant Bivacuum mediated interaction (BMI) between psychic and target can explain all above described phenomena. The old, currently existing paradigm, failed to do this." pg 142

Ok, now before I get into this, I want to check if you're happy with the claims of this paper, and you agree with its findings.

Actually, I'm about to go on holiday for a week, so don't feel the need to reply in a hurry .

 

[Limbo]

Ok, now before I get into this, I want to check if you're happy with the claims of this paper, and you agree with its findings.

Actually, I'm about to go on holiday for a week, so don't feel the need to reply in a hurry .

I haven't read it yet. You asked 'what mechanism I have in mind', I said 'maybe something like this'. It's just an example. I have no particular mechanism 'in mind'. All I know is that 'psi' is real, and so there must be a mechanism. Maybe this one, maybe not.

 

[fls]

My paranormal experiences include alien abduction (I have described this previously on the forum), visitations by spirits, telepathy, precognitive dreams and visions, and OBE's.

Linda

 

[Mashuna]

I haven't read it yet. You asked 'what mechanism I have in mind', I said 'maybe something like this'. It's just an example. I have no particular mechanism 'in mind'. All I know is that 'psi' is real, and so there must be a mechanism. Maybe this one, maybe not.

Sure, but there are plenty of explanations as to why you are sure that psi is real that don't require a re-writing of physics.

 

[I Ratant]

/shrug

Maybe something like this? Just found it a minute ago.

Unified Theory of Bivacuum, Matter, Fields & Time as a Background of New Fundamental Bivacuum Mediated Interaction and Paranormal Phenomena

"Numerous studies have demonstrated (Targ & Katra, 1998) ....

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I believe Targ adds the same cachet of credibility and veracity to the field of psychic phenomena that Hoagland contributes to the field of extra-terrestrial archeology, if not twice as much. (2 X 0 = 0)

 

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

When I was a teen, me and a friend of mine once seen a UFO when we had tried LSD. But it turns out the next day when I looked at the angle in the sky it was towards the airport…plus I was on LSD. Yes I tried it, I know that's dumb stuff to do. I was just being honest.

-Kyle

 

[Clairvoyant_Kyle]

DAMN, so far 9 people have claimed to have been abducted by aliens. Seriously? 9 people just on this form? Come on now! You people weren’t on acid (LSD) now were you? I’ll admit you see some weird stuff on that drug and come to completely irrational conclusions about what you think you are seeing. But the next day you know it was all just the drug. This has to be a joke. If 9 people on this form claim to have been abducted that means either this form is way beyond the curve of normal abduction rates or this form is full of nuts. WOW! I am just floored from seeing that if it isn’t just people joking around.

-Kyle

 

[JihadJane]

JJ You haven't shared your exact experiences and of course you have no reason to do so. From your comments I'm not sure you really believe in remote viewing anyway, just that you had some intresting experiences with it.

Thanks for your interest. I do believe that there may be something to Remote Viewing but do not have enough direct experience to have a more definite opinion. The experiences that impressed me most were derived from the final stages of RV protocols where one is allowed to unleash ones artistic skills! The RV protocols were designed to work against the "jumping to conclusions" tendencies of our minds.

In the technique I explored a picture is placed in an envelope and assigned a random number. This number is given to the Remote Viewer to represent their target. I surprised myself by reproducing some targets with credibly accurate drawings. For instance, one of my hidden targets was a picture of domed churches on a Greek isalnd. I produced a drawing of domes with crosses on top.

In contrast to those above who, possibly over-influenced by their X-men comics, aggressively and sometimes contemptuously demand proof for my supposedly claimed "special powers", I do not see my drawings as evidence of "powers" but as possible evidence that Remote Viewing works. I also produced some relevant verbal descriptions but regard these as more ambiguous and open to interpretation.

I recommend giving it a try. It's a fun hobby!

I always remember that Buddhist wisdom,while recognising psychic phenomena as real, regards them as irrelevant to Buddhist aims and advises us not to become fixated on them.

 

[fls]

DAMN, so far 9 people have claimed to have been abducted by aliens. Seriously? 9 people just on this form? Come on now! You people weren’t on acid (LSD) now were you? I’ll admit you see some weird stuff on that drug and come to completely irrational conclusions about what you think you are seeing. But the next day you know it was all just the drug. This has to be a joke. If 9 people on this form claim to have been abducted that means either this form is way beyond the curve of normal abduction rates or this form is full of nuts. WOW! I am just floored from seeing that if it isn’t just people joking around.

-Kyle

Biased sample.

Linda

 

[JihadJane]

Biased sample.

Linda

And probably some teasers!

 

[TheLoneBedouin]

Biased sample.

3 times the national average- when my definition of "alien abduction" was extremely specific"????

Biased sample does not account for that- someone's joking...

 

[fls]

3 times the national average- when my definition of "alien abduction" was extremely specific"????

Biased sample does not account for that-

Of course it can. There are 18,000 members here, so you'd expect 360 to have experienced alien abduction. If only 5 percent are active and noticed your thread title or the poll, that makes 18 people that could be expected to answer yes.

someone's joking...

That would be a selection bias - that trait may be over-represented in the population from which the sample was drawn.

Linda