Have you ever experienced a paranormal phenomenon?

[Darat]

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If you think filthy lucre is going to lure me into any kind of ritual public humilation involving the likes of paximperium or the creepy, beardy bloke pictured at the top of this page you are very much mistaken!

A million dollars to simply do what you can do is "humiliation"? And never mind the JREF's challenge there are many more you could take.

It seems so selfish that even if you don't want the million dollars for yourself that you aren't willing to spend a few hours so that you could donate it to say a charity that helps terminally ill children in the last few months of lives.

 

[JihadJane]

Deperate Darat!

A million dollars to simply do what you can do is "humiliation"? And never mind the JREF's challenge there are many more you could take.

It seems so selfish that even if you don't want the million dollars for yourself that you aren't willing to spend a few hours so that you could donate it to say a charity that helps terminally ill children in the last few months of lives.

Cripes, you are desperate, ....if the the money doesn't work try crude emotional blackmail ... "terminally ill children"... hee hee .... classic! ... worse than the Jehovah's Witnesses - one foot in the door and, before you know it, they're in your living room trying to convert you!

Darat, I saw this thread, ticked my box and shared a minor little experience I had many years ago when I explored Remote Viewing as a personal hobby for my own personal interest, which convinced me that humans are probably capable of more than they are normally given credit for by modern, mad, work ethic brainsters. I naively forgot that there would likely be hungry, famished "debunker" vultures waiting in the wings, apparently suffering from a prolonged "psychic" drought and rather overeager to devour my fresh new "psychic" flesh!

No wonder no-one wants to take your tests, you creepy freaks!

I have never had desire to submit myself to JREF's dubious mercies anymore than I want go on Reality TV to seek my fortune. I'm not short of cash and don't consider myself a "psychic". Mostly I find "debunkers" to be quite unpleasantly aggressive, rude, arrogant and, quite often, scarily obsessed and easily as insane as those they long to debunk! I do not seek to represent the James Randi Foundation food source or act as a sacrificial victim for obsessive "debunker" cranks! Why does the "paranormal" concern you so much that you so quickly need to appropriate the services of terminally ill children to feed your conviction that it's all bunk? Does it threaten something?

As far as I'm concerned most of existence is a complete mystery to humans in the same way that the internal combustion engine is a mystery to dogs.

However, that said, you are welcome to send me your home testing kit. I am curious and sure I'd fail but would do it anyway as long as there is a clause that guarantees no "debunker" harassment and no publicity, especially in the event of me miraculously winning all that lovely lucre! Promise me I will never have to go anywhere near James Randi or similar wierdoes lurking in the shadows.

I'll do it for the poor little mutant victims of the Depleted Uranium oil terrorists. BRING IT ON!

 

[soetkin]

I had two experiences one holiday which I mainly blame now on atmosphere, phobias and being predisposed to woo, but at the time they seemed very genuine and frightening.

My friend and I were visiting the Bastille in Grenoble, when we entered a very long and barely-illuminated tunnel that had been carved out of the rock, it lead to the old weapon storage room which we wanted to see. As we walked towards the room, I had this feeling of opression and of being watched; my friend was uncomfortable too because she proposed turning back before we reached the room. So, we turned around and started walking towards the exit but the feeling of malevolence and fear grew until we looked at eachother and said "I think we better run". We stormed out of the tunnel and in the open air. Afterwards, we discussed it and my friend said it was as if 'something' in that tunnel really wanted us to get out of there.
Folie-à-deux? Probably, but it was scary.

A few days later, we visited one of the oldest churches in Lyon which also had a medieval underground crypt holding the remains of a saint. Beautful church, atmospheric crypt and to the side an utterly dark stairway, as in two steps in completely dark like being blind.
My friend was intrigued and wanted to explore, all I felt was an acute feeling of danger and fear and I practically dragged my friend out of the crypt because I was terrified of 'something'.
I blame it now on my mild nyctophobia, but as all phobias, the experience was very unsettling.

For years, I would've sworn that both experiences were paranormal. Then I became a skeptic and have learned to re-evaluate everything.

 

[Mojo]

Once I was drinking beer...

So not a spirit phenomenon then.

 

[KingMerv00]

Mostly I find "debunkers" to be quite unpleasantly aggressive, rude, arrogant and, quite often, scarily obsessed and easily as insane as those they long to debunk!

Hey! What did I do?

However, that said, you are welcome to send me your home testing kit.

There is no kit, it shouldn't cost you a dime, and I'd be happy to help when I have chance. Maybe I'll start a new thread later today?

 

[Darat]

Cripes, you are desperate, ....if the the money doesn't work try crude emotional blackmail ... "terminally ill children"... hee hee .... classic! ... worse than the Jehovah's Witnesses - one foot in the door and, before you know it, they're in your living room trying to convert you!

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"convert you" ? I think you must be referring to someone else since I have not at any time tried to "convert" you to anything. In fact I have not even stated that you are mistaken about your ability, all I did was to make a rather straightforward observation that if you can do what you say you can do you or a charity could be better-of by a million dollars.

 

[martu]

As far as I'm concerned most of existence is a complete mystery to humans in the same way that the internal combustion engine is a mystery to dogs.

Well then you're ignorant and, it seems, quite proud of it. A pity.

 

[-Fran-]

I blame it now on my mild nyctophobia, but as all phobias, the experience was very unsettling.

Oh, fear of the dark. I learn something new every day.

 

[PingOfPong]

JihadJane, I'm curious what you meant by this.

modern, mad, work ethic brainsters.

 

[Almo]

I am not claiming any special powers. From my experience it seems anyone can do it.

If industrial civilisation survives the end of the fossil fuel era I'm sure scientists, in a hundred years time, will agree with my assessment that science's current understanding of consciousness and the mind is primitive.

Not really. Do some training yourself and claim the money yourself!

Typical cop-out. Remote sensing would be truly amazing, as there is no current explanation for how it would work. Apply for the prize, or quit bothering us with this tripe.

There's enough Tripe Loaf on Station V3 for everyone in the universe.

 

[jhunter1163]

I for one would be willing to be humiliated for a lot less than $1 million.

And yes, I see it coming, and no, don't go there.

 

[JihadJane]

"convert you" ? I think you must be referring to someone else since I have not at any time tried to "convert" you to anything. In fact I have not even stated that you are mistaken about your ability, all I did was to make a rather straightforward observation that if you can do what you say you can do you or a charity could be better-of by a million dollars.

Your approach feels evangelical to me. I didn't post on here as a way of putting myself forward for the MDC. The thread is entitled: "Have you ever experienced a paranormal phenomenon?"

I stated that I didn't consider my experience paranormal. I think it's more likely something very normal that our abnormal cultural outlook suppresses. As I explain above, Remote Viewing was something I did for a few months, long enough to convince myself that there was something to it, long ago (over a decade), for my own, personal interest. I have no need to convince anyone about the experience I shared above. I might give it a go, though, just for a laugh! A miracle may happen!

If there was the remotest (pun not intended!) chance that a complete amateur like me could seperate Mr Randi from his Fluffy Bunny with my rusty, nervous novice, Remote Viewing skills why hasn't someone more experienced done it already?

I can't see any other ending than ritual humiliation:

"Nah nah! Told you so! It's all a load of bunk! Sulk, sucker!"

in which case, would I even get paid expenses?

Perhaps you can now understand why the Million Dollars doesn't look as attractive to me as it may look to you!

 

[Almo]

If there was the remotest (pun not intended!) chance that a complete amateur like me could seperate Mr Randi from his Fluffy Bunny with my rusty, nervous novice, Remote Viewing skills why hasn't someone more experienced done it already?

Because Remote Viewing is a crock. Pretty simple, really.

 

[JihadJane]

Hey! What did I do?

Nothing. You are innocent!



QUOTE]There is no kit, it shouldn't cost you a dime, and I'd be happy to help when I have chance. Maybe I'll start a new thread later today?[/QUOTE]

Ok, but see my post above, in response to Darat. I am probably one of the least promising candidates you could choose but I am curious. I guess Remote Viewing is pretty easy to verify (or not!).

 

[JihadJane]

Because Remote Viewing is a crock. Pretty simple, really.

So why should I accept the "Million Dollar Challenge"?

 

[Pope130]

Difficult poll. I could have gone for the first three, and the last one. I have experienced things which some people would consider paranormal, but they weren't.

So I didn't vote at all.

 

[I Ratant]

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I can't see any other ending than ritual humiliation:

"Nah nah! Told you so! It's all a load of bunk! Sulk, sucker!"

in which case, would I even get paid expenses?

Perhaps you can now understand why the Million Dollars doesn't look as attractive to me as it may look to you!

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Any expenses would be minimal relative to the total sum.
If your "powers" were real, then why would you be reluctant to demonstrate that?
Winning the prize would give you instant verified authority and status, and a limitless income from others who believe and are more than eager to give you money.
All this foot dragging merely shows a lack of confidence in your ability to do what you claim, which many people will interpret as reflecting badly on you.

 

[JihadJane]

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Any expenses would be minimal relative to the total sum.
If your "powers" were real, then why would you be reluctant to demonstrate that?
Winning the prize would give you instant verified authority and status, and a limitless income from others who believe and are more than eager to give you money.
All this foot dragging merely shows a lack of confidence in your ability to do what you claim, which many people will interpret as reflecting badly on you.

What is all this "powers" business? Have I ever claimed to have "powers"? NO!

Perhaps you are confusing me Scarlet Witch.

Please, get down off your hobby horse and read what I've already written and what I'm about to write.

I don't care if anyone believes there's anything to Remote Viewing or not. Why on earth should I?

I am quite happy for James Randi and his followers to believe whatever they like. It doesn't bother me. My beliefs, based on my experience, however seem to bother quite a few people posting here. Why?

If you are interested in finding out about Remote Viewing I suggest you go on a course** and learn how to do it though, admittedly, they are a lot more expensive now than when I did one. Still, it might win you a million pounds! What's holding you back? Think of all that lurvely lucre!

** Learning how to meditate or doing some relaxation excercises first might be a good idea.

P.S.

Your vison of my possible future has no attraction for me, i.e.:

Winning the prize would give you instant verified authority and status, and a limitless income from others who believe and are more than eager to give you money.

Unlimited money doesn't make us happy. Enough money does. I've already got plenty.

I have no interest at all in "instant verified authority and status". I live by my own authority and do not need status.

All that said, note that I have agreed, above, to submit myself to the mystery protocols, out of curiosity and for a laugh. I also allow that a miracle may happen!

 

[JihadJane]

P.P.S!

All this foot dragging merely shows a lack of confidence in your ability to do what you claim, which many people will interpret as reflecting badly on you.

I think you may be projecting your own values onto me.

I am perfectly confident about my experience of Remote Viewing. That's all that matters to me.

What possible reason could there be for me to take any account of what some anonymous "many people" think of my actions?

 

[JihadJane]

P.P.P.S

Is there a reason why the poll percentages don't add up to a hundred?