Has Pdoh gone stark raving sane?

My normal sig is one of AceyBake's classic lines - dunno why I keep getting the other one. Are the NWO trying to tell me something?
It's a software error. Go to "edit signature" and save your old one. It will reappear.
 
He also seems to have removed the posts conspiracysmasher that had his little game playing. He's a thorough little liar, ain't he?
Incredible! He did it just now, it was still there earlier today.

Anyway, it's still in the Google cache, and I saved that one for posterity. :)
 
Well, he couldn't delete the responses to his announcement:
Conspiracy Smasher 12/22/06

Ronald Wieck said...
Are you teasing us, Pd?

Ronald Wieck said...
Well, Pd, if you are serious, congratulations are in order. Maybe I'm taking a rosier view of life these days, but I've long had a suspicion that you were here to be persuaded. Still, closed minds can't be changed, so you deserve a great deal of credit.


The Artistic Macrophage said...
As for PD, while your history on the other side of the fence is long and at times hard to take, I too will accept your return to sanity with welcome arms, and hope you remain this way.


JAStewart said...
I believe and congratulate PD.

I was once a denier and now I'm a debunker too: electionnightspecial.blogspot.com


Anonymous said...
are you guys(jaste and pod) so weak-minded that you can be on both sides of an issue as important as 9/11? i have a feeling the congratulaters here would not be acting quite the same if it were debunkers becoming skeptics.



The Artistic Macrophage said...
Strangely enough, in the time I have been debating 9/11, I have yet to see one single skeptic (we call ourselves skeptics, not the truthers) from JREF or any of the other blogs convert to a 9/11 denier/truther...not one single person.


docker said...
Phod, spare me your change of heart ********. the only reason you are here is becuase you have been banned, yet again from JREF.

You are a troll, a loser and a lover boy.
We can read you dough ball and we can see exactly what you are up to.


docker said...
Tell you what PD , start a new thread on LC forum. tell your pals there how you are a new debunker.

have you got any balls? PD


somebody said...
Hey lover boy how is your revelation going down with the LC boys?

Have they banned you yet?


docker said...
I thought you was one of us lot now PD, or are you lying again ?


The Artistic Macrophage said...
PD:

I noticed you still find us at JREF reprehensible. That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, but could you enlighten me, now that you have, as you put it, "seen th elight", why you find us so?


CHF said...
PD,

I'm not sure what to make of your alleged defection.

You did show signs of improvement at times (like when you admitted 'Al Qaeda did it') but then you'd follow it up with something so absurd ('Al Qaeda might have planted the demolition charges') that it just didn't seem like you were all there mentally.

I guess the reason I doubt you is that I simply refuse to believe that someone with the education you claim to have could possibly be suckered in by twoofer ******** - even for a while.

The twoofers shouldn't fool ANYONE with common sense for even a split second, let alone fool you to the point of arguing nonsense for months on end.


The Artistic Macrophage said...
Perhaps he never will change, and will always be a hate filled, ill tempered man, but how is ever going to have a chance to change, if we do not give him that chance. Listen, he has slagged me more than almost any debunker (maybe Gravy was slagged more), so if I am willing to at least watch and observe his behavior for change, I think others should to.
 
Hey, check this out!

http://www.last.fm/user/PDoherty/

He keeps claiming that he's 30, yet here's a guy with Pdoherty as his username and is 16. He said earlier that he was 15, and that was a while ago, so he probably had his birthday already.

Pdoh is a complete, utter liar who needs to be exposed as one. This guy cannot continue to dominate the Loose Change Forums with such complete, utter dishonesty.

Edit: looks like I used "complete, utter" twice...haha oops!

That kid has a picture of Pete Doherty as his avatar - I think it's more likely that he has that username because he is a fan.

I award you five Conspiracy Fantasist "Jumping to the Wrong Conclusion" Points. :)
 
Well, he couldn't delete the responses to his announcement:
I assume this is the original (I hadn't seen it, so had to track it down): http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/2006/12/merry-christmas.html

I find it downright hilarious that he would go back and delete his comments related to his "conversion" and then claim they never happened. As if all the "This post has been removed by the author" messages sprinkled among "Hey, congrats, PDoh," and "Credit to you, Pdoh" wouldn't be a dead giveaway...

Ahh... a shining member of the "truth" movement (I'm not even capitalizing it anymore), ladies and gentlemen.
 
I assume this is the original (I hadn't seen it, so had to track it down): http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/2006/12/merry-christmas.html

I find it downright hilarious that he would go back and delete his comments related to his "conversion" and then claim they never happened. As if all the "This post has been removed by the author" messages sprinkled among "Hey, congrats, PDoh," and "Credit to you, Pdoh" wouldn't be a dead giveaway...

Ahh... a shining member of the "truth" movement (I'm not even capitalizing it anymore), ladies and gentlemen.

It's still in the google cache:

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cach...her.blogspot.com/2006/12/merry-christmas.html

So, here's a copy before it disappears:


pdoherty76 said... Merry crimbo mr smasher.

I have good news for the rationalists here....

I have had an epiphany. I no longer believe in the conspiracies. I am now a debunker
5:07 PM CHF said... Is that the tree in Judy Wood's living room?
6:08 PM Anonymous said... still trying hard to be funny huh chf? you and abby would make a good couple. both frustrated, wannabe comedians that you are.
8:10 PM Docker said... Merry Christmas to PD, killtown , Russell and the rest of the loose change guys.

Merry Christmas to democrat.
9:01 PM Docker said... OH yeah, to the fat bald **** Gold.

merry Xmax,

http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/gold9472oanda1.mp3

Dickhead.
9:11 PM Ronald Wieck said... Are you teasing us, Pd?
10:11 PM pdoherty76 said... No ron im serious.

My conspiracy activities have now ceased. I simply dont believe it anymore.
7:24 AM Ronald Wieck said... Well, Pd, if you are serious, congratulations are in order. Maybe I'm taking a rosier view of life these days, but I've long had a suspicion that you were here to be persuaded. Still, closed minds can't be changed, so you deserve a great deal of credit.

Just wondering: did Mark's performance in the debate help?
10:28 AM pdoherty76 said... Yes i suppose it did help. Also the thread at jref by lyte trip on lloyd testimony convinced me what a truly deranged movement i was a part of.

I realised in the last few days that i wasnt just arguing with jrefers, I was arguing with the rational part of my mind.

I now only believe that warnings were ignored.

I think the CD hypothesis on reflection is absurd
11:09 AM S. King said... Notice from Jon Gold:

"Saturday evening, 12/23/2006 at 7pm EST, I will be on Kevin Barrett's RBN Live show called, "The Truth Jihad."

http://911blogger.com/node/5216

That should be entertaining.
11:16 AM CHF said... still trying hard to be funny huh chf?

Me? Hell no. It's you twoofer tards that are funny. I merely point it out.

I mean seriously - I'd expect to see that tree in Judy Wood's living room. Wouldn't you?
12:10 PM Anonymous said... "twoofer tards"

almost there chf! i bet the peanut gallery thought it was funny and creative though.........
12:24 PM Anonymous said... "I mean seriously - I'd expect to see that tree in Judy Wood's living room. Wouldn't you?"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. i take it back, now THAT was creative and completely unpredictable. im not being sarcastic. honest. you and Abby, both utterly hilarious. im serious. im actually not bieng sarcastic. honest.
12:26 PM Ronald Wieck said... I will follow the fine example set by Smasher and wish a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to one and all.
1:05 PM The Artistic Macrophage said... Despite the obvious conspiracy to proof that the xmas tree is really Oscar the grouch, I will also wish everyone here happy holidays, and to my fellow Christians, a merry xmas.

As for PD, while your history on the other side of the fence is long and at times hard to take, I too will accept your return to sanity with welcome arms, and hope you remain this way.

TAM:)
3:05 PM JAStewart said... I believe and congratulate PD.

I was once a denier and now I'm a debunker too: electionnightspecial.blogspot.com
4:17 PM Anonymous said... are you guys(jaste and pod) so weak-minded that you can be on both sides of an issue as important as 9/11? i have a feeling the congratulaters here would not be acting quite the same if it were debunkers becoming skeptics.
5:27 PM Jon Gold said... Hey docker... you forgot the next day's show...

Click Here
5:35 PM Docker said... Hey Gold,

stick it up your ass, you disrespectful traitor.

Oh,have a nice Xmas.
5:56 PM S. King said... Remember Jon Gold's "comprehensive" debunking of PM's "Debunking 9/11 Myths"?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/September2006/270906Debunked.htm

Jon wrote there, "Admittedly, I have never read Popular Mechanics' book. Wait a second. What's Jon pulling? How can he debunk a book without even reading it?

"Here's how you do it."


The odds that he does a repeat performance with Barrett tonight are very good.
6:12 PM The Artistic Macrophage said... This post has been removed by the author.
6:57 PM The Artistic Macrophage said... are you guys(jaste and pod) so weak-minded that you can be on both sides of an issue as important as 9/11? i have a feeling the congratulaters here would not be acting quite the same if it were debunkers becoming skeptics.

Strangely enough, in the time I have been debating 9/11, I have yet to see one single skeptic (we call ourselves skeptics, not the truthers) from JREF or any of the other blogs convert to a 9/11 denier/truther...not one single person.

TAM:)
6:59 PM pdoherty76 said... Strangely enough TAM, that is one thing that struck me the other day. Not one skeptic has ever converted to truther, and they cant all be government agents.

The truth movement is dying. The star wars death beams are a perfect example of this
7:12 PM docker said... Phod, spare me your change of heart ********. the only reason you are here is becuase you have been banned, yet again from JREF.

You are a troll, a loser and a lover boy.
We can read you dough ball and we can see exactly what you are up to.

NOBODY gives a **** about you,you idiot, you are a complete loser, now **** off.

Merry Xmas.
7:26 PM pdoherty76 said... Docker your opinion of me counts for nothing. If you are typical of the anti CTers then it seems my hard work may have to switch to ridding rationalists of the likes of you
7:33 PM pdoherty76 said... By the way I admitted to being my last sock. I did that for a reason. Stundie was not me. He was an entirely innocent poster that was banned unfairly
7:34 PM Docker said... Is that so PD?

Then why bother your arse responding to me?

How do you know I am not the world’s greatest engineer and understand exactly the ******** you have been spewing?

If I am of no importance, pal silence me. Stop me calling you, Gold and the rest of the **** wits that believe this ***** exactly what you are.

Disrespectful traitorous idiots.

Proud of yourself?
7:46 PM pdoherty76 said... Docker you have taken the name of my sock, this proves your obsession with me
7:50 PM docker said... Tell you what PD , start a new thread on LC forum. tell your pals there how you are a new debunker.

have you got any balls? PD
7:55 PM pdoherty76 said... ok
7:57 PM pdoherty76 said... I have done it docker
8:04 PM Docker said... As your number one fan PD, I will hold you to your word.

Merry Xmas.

Go out and enjoy yourself.
8:14 PM pdoherty76 said... To the JREFers watching this:

I HAVE NO WISH TO BE REINSTATED AT JREF. DESPITE ME SEEING THE LIGHT I STILL THINK YOU ARE A VERY REPREHENSIBLE GROUP OF PEOPLE. ALTHOUGH I RESPECT OLIVER FOR HIS ATRGUING ON MY BEHALF.

I just ask that u reinstate stundie. He really wasnt me. Hes entirely innocent
9:01 PM Docker said... To PD from sane and normal people on JREF.

Why ?
9:12 PM pdoherty76 said... Why what?
9:13 PM Docker said... Lie.
9:19 PM pdoherty76 said... How am i lying?
9:21 PM Docker said... I am not your personnel therapist, stop with your ******** questions.

Get a life, get an interest, go and enjoy Xmas with your family. I don't give a **** what you do pal.

If you want to debunk, fine, if you want to spew ******** fine. Don't include me in your paranoid games.

Get a ****ing life pal
9:25 PM pdoherty76 said... Docker aka stateofgrace your obsession with me is touching. get help lad
9:27 PM docker said... Huh?
9:32 PM pdoherty76 said... You are stateofgrace. Dont bother denying it you cretinous little plebb
9:46 PM Docker said... I am not stateofgrace you cretin but if you want to call me stateofgrace, feel free.

Call your little bunny girl if you want, it makes no odds to me.

I am not obsessed with you, you amuse me, I am laughing knowing I piss you off. It's great.
9:56 PM pdoherty76 said... docker u most certainly do not piss me off. You use my sock name while remaining anonymous. Its lame but very funny
9:58 PM somebody said... No it is very funny.

BHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hey lover boy how is your revelation going down with the LC boys?

Have they banned you yet?
10:02 PM Conspiracy Smasher said... Children....play nice...
10:28 PM pdoherty76 said... smasher this docker character really gives u lot a bad name
10:31 PM docker said... I thought you was one of us lot now PD, or are you lying again ?
10:40 PM The Artistic Macrophage said... PD:

I noticed you still find us at JREF reprehensible. That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it, but could you enlighten me, now that you have, as you put it, "seen th elight", why you find us so?

TAM
11:32 PM stateofgrace said... I am not Docker.

Stateofgrace.

( thanks to the jrefers that told me)
11:32 PM pdoherty76 said... TAM the concerted attacks on truthers there are dusgraceful. As are the recent threads about willie rodriguez and craig bartmer etc.

Killtown went to jref and never once made a personal attack. I dont agree with any of killtowns theories but i have infinitely more respect for him than jrefers.

TAM you are one of the more respectful jrefers and it was as a gesture to you that i deleted my blogs and ceased the retaliatory personal attacks.

If the jrefers were nicer people like me would see the light earlier rather than holding on to the opinion because they hav e been so abused for it
11:47 PM The Artistic Macrophage said... PD:

I agree that when a "truther" comes into the JREF the wolves will pounce, but this has a lot to do with the last five years, and the fact that nothing has changed and the truthers come in with the same old rederict. When someone comes in spueing the same old stuff, the demands on them for evidence are high.

I will be honest, I have seen people "just asking questions" over at LC who are immediately jumped on, berrated, and then banned. Roxdog and a few others are particularly bad for this, as was JohnDoeX in his day there. I will grant you that the LC forum, to a small degree, has tidied up their act.

I make no excuses for the JREFers, we are who we are, but try not to tar us all with the same brush, as this is exactly what you would accuse us of doing with "truthers".

Have a happy holiday, and stay safe.

TAM
10:44 AM Conspiracy Smasher said... PD,

As you may have ascertained, there is no "you lot" here. Those of us who self-identify as rational have a diverse political, ethnic and religious background. While we may agree on little else, what we all agree on is this:

9/11 was caused by islamists seeking to commit mass murder

On this forum, no one is banned and everyone is welcome (aside from the spammer PW)
11:43 AM CHF said... PD,

I'm not sure what to make of your alleged defection.

You did show signs of improvement at times (like when you admitted 'Al Qaeda did it') but then you'd follow it up with something so absurd ('Al Qaeda might have planted the demolition charges') that it just didn't seem like you were all there mentally.

I guess the reason I doubt you is that I simply refuse to believe that someone with the education you claim to have could possibly be suckered in by twoofer ******** - even for a while.

The twoofers shouldn't fool ANYONE with common sense for even a split second, let alone fool you to the point of arguing nonsense for months on end.
11:59 AM Democrat said... 9/11 was caused by islamists seeking to commit mass murder

and nobody stopped them in plain sight. Makes you wonder.

Merry Christmas to you all.
12:46 PM CHF said... So Democrat: you're LIHOP now?
1:03 PM Democrat said... chf, I have never been anything, except in your imagination. That's because you tend to put everyone who has 911 commission report doubts in that same ol' box of laser beams and flying piano's.

It's like the Zapruder movie: only stupid people stick to the Oswald story, but what it really was about, that remains speculation until something good pops up in coming history.

911 is just not good enough to endorse a hate-war agains the Islam and to give up civil rights. Too much problems with that story.
2:03 PM Anonymous said... Why is this tree upside down? Is that a signal to your CIA master? How much did you get paid this year to tell lies on behalf of the government?
3:01 PM Tiny Tim said... God bless you Mr. smasher!
11:06 PM CHF said... Democrat,

just admit it: you have no clue about anything.

But you still think 9/11 was an inside job.

Why? Because it just was.
4:56 PM Anonymous said... Did?
generic hydrocodone
6:43 PM Anonymous said... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1439692165433909308
11:36 AM Democrat said... No, chf, I am confident (and time will tell me right).

BTW, already seen From Freedom to Fascism? More conspiracies.

Do you pay Income Tax, CHF?
4:12 PM reno said... Poor democrat - that stooge believes every single conspiracy that comes down the road...
4:20 PM CHF said... Oh boy, it's the fascism argument again.

You don't know anything about life under fascism, Dem. Nothing.
4:24 PM The Artistic Macrophage said...
Why is this tree upside down? Is that a signal to your CIA master? How much did you get paid this year to tell lies on behalf of the government?


"Forrest Gump has seen Oscar the Grouch"

I repeat,

"Forrest Gump has seen Oscar the Grouch"

Please insure he is assimilated.

TAM:)
10:15 PM Democrat said... Nice try.

So, chf....

income tax or not....?

Be careful, chf. It you don't see it because the media isn't telling you, it doesn't mean it's not there.
4:30 PM CHF said... Yes, I pay taxes.

So?
4:40 PM The Artistic Macrophage said... For all those who do not believe in paying taxes, answer me this:

How else should we pay for all of the govt jobs, the social security net, healthcare, etc...

oh let me guess, leave it up to big business to assist with all this...ya right.

so ignorant.

TAM
5:53 PM CHF said... The same people who say we should pay no taxes would be the first ones to bitch when health care, education and the road system go to pieces.

Basically the kooks think that THEY shouldn't pay taxes while everyone else does.
6:10 PM Anonymous said... to all pdoherty is a ****wit who
8:16 AM Anonymous said... Sorry all that failed.. Pdoherty also known as Sir Paul and Pauld76 and also your idol over at www.freedating.co.uk which is free to join, ran away on xmas eve before he got banned for spouting ***** and being a complete and utter pain in the arse to all, but especially to women.
He hasnt got any real freinds so he,s trying now to make some new ones.
Dont believe the ***** he spews from his pathetic mouth, his names all over the internet as being a complete arsehole of the highest order. Just type in pdoherty76 and make your own minds up if you already havent done so, and also have a look at freedating and some of the threads he,s been involved in,in serious topics section. Pdoherty debunker my arse, prick of the highest order yes.
8:28 AM Anonymous said... I had just signed up on that site to see what good old PD had been up to! There he was coming out with all the same old *****.

Apparently he is on some shrinks site now trying to sort out all his problems and why he feels so angry with the world. He is a sad little git. Will not be long until he is talking about how much bollocks 9/11 conspiracies are ......and then that impending ban when he upsets everyone.
10:10 AM Steve said... Anonymous,

Pick a name please.
10:24 AM Fruit & Nut said... Pick a name eh. Well its going to have to be Fruit & Nut for me. Not that i,ll ever be as nutty as PD. Wow ive just been to www.freedating.co.uk and read some of the threads in serious topics and the guys an absolute tosser no doubt about it. Your Idol my arse, Sir Paul no but Silly little prick yes, PD no but Pretensious dickhead yes and 7+6= 13 unlucky for some you loser PD. And always will be.
11:46 AM The Artistic Macrophage said... Perhaps he never will change, and will always be a hate filled, ill tempered man, but how is ever going to have a chance to change, if we do not give him that chance. Listen, he has slagged me more than almost any debunker (maybe Gravy was slagged more), so if I am willing to at least watch and observe his behavior for change, I think others should to.

TAM:)
12:42 PM Democrat said... so ignorant.

TAM


The USA did not exist and function before 1913 indeed. Great thinking here.

Unlawful is unlawful, but that does not seem to concern you.
7:08 AM The Artistic Macrophage said... DEM:

I have no idea what you are talking about. The idea of people paying for the upkeep and maintenance of their own democratic country through taxation of their income and services is a great idea, which is why I agree with taxation, end of story. I dont like it, but I agree with it.

TAM
12:25 PM Democrat said... Then I assume you are fine with people not paying income tax if it is not a lawful tax.

Hmm, it seems that it is unlawful. Are you still there, TAM?

Moreover, is this tax spent on nice things for citizens, or is it just to pay interest to a private bank for borrowed money that this bank printed out of thin air?

Are citizens better of under this construction? I think those are the questions.
2:56 PM The Artistic Macrophage said... 1. I have seen the silly videos claiming the tax is not actually a written law, and until I have seen definitive proof, I am skeptical of their claims.

2. If the taxation is not lawful, then I think it should be made lawful. Yes I have a problem with people not paying it, because I think that it is the right thing to do for ones country and democracy.

Among paying off interest on debt (your claim that the money is printed out of thin air for no other reason than to claim interest on it once loaned is absurd), the taxes are obviously used for healthcare, social services, construction, etc, as these things do get done/taken care of.

I find it hard to even have a conversation with someone so morally corrupt as to not believe that it is their duty as a citizen of a free and democratic nation to contribute from their earnings to help others in that same democratic nation. Therefore, this conversation is done, as we will never come to a common ground on this topic. Keep your money. I hope the next time you see a single mother at a food bank the money burns the inside of your leg.

TAM
4:23 PM Democrat said... I assume TAM (he does not want to have a conversation about this, just like the IRS) has seen the written law that forms the legal basis of the Income Tax. Mr Russo sure was not able to get an answer on this simple question from the IRS. Even law suits were won on this principle. No law, no taxes.

TAM is fine with paying taxes on the basis of no law, I call that a gift. As long as TAM cannot give the text constituting the duty for a citizen to pay an income tax, he is just supporting this. I assume that, given his stance here, he's fine with the powers that IRS uses to get those 'gifts' from citizens, such as confiscation of property, searches etc.

So now we got a government body collecting 'gifts' stating that it does so under the name 'income tax' on the basis of the law while there is no law. People that contest it in court ultimately win. Of course not without harassment from the IRS and their non-existent power (no law, remember?). TAM's supporting that, although it seems to be tyranny to me.

How many people work with the IRS? 1,000, 10,000, 100,000? Hmm, I sense a conspiracy here. Collecting 'gifts' under the name of taxes while there is no law for citizens to pay those gifts. Are all these people involved in the conspiracy? It must be, because that common logic is followed for 911 as well. A lot of people then that rob citizens of their hard earned money. Hmm, that should have been brought to daylight long ago by the media if this was the case? Thousand's of people should be aware of this scam if this is true. Yes, they know and the scam continues. It's the same with 911.

TAM obviously isn't aware of the FED's position in the money system, or he is defending it. Yes, it prints money out of thin air. Of course he is not going to debate this issue. Too much conspiracy around it, and it is 'unamerican' to speak about it, although there are many pieces written about debt-based-money.

I'll just pass the link with 14 very important points to consider. Consider them carefully, because it's getting awfully close now.

I am done here. You won't have any trouble from me in 2007, you will cause yourselves enough trouble already with the gullible approach. Bye bye, Empire USA.
6:40 AM The Artistic Macrophage said... You are aware I am Canadian right. Have you come up with proof their is no law requiring income tax here?

TAM
12:37 PM
I've pasted all the comments - except for the porn spam at the end.
 
I assume this is the original (I hadn't seen it, so had to track it down): http://911conspiracysmasher.blogspot.com/2006/12/merry-christmas.html

I find it downright hilarious that he would go back and delete his comments related to his "conversion" and then claim they never happened. As if all the "This post has been removed by the author" messages sprinkled among "Hey, congrats, PDoh," and "Credit to you, Pdoh" wouldn't be a dead giveaway...

Ahh... a shining member of the "truth" movement (I'm not even capitalizing it anymore), ladies and gentlemen.

I remember posting in that thread and I remember clearly what PD said after he accused me of being docker. I am not this guy and have no idea who he is but for some reason PD thought I was him.

Strange guy. (PD that is).
 
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lol! Awesome... I hope someone posts that in the thread over at LCF.

Also in the cache, page one of PDoherty's "I No Longer Believe" thread:

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cach...m/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1804

again for posterity:

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pdoherty76
Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:02 AM


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Im afraid I no longer believe in the conspiracy theories.

I have always only believed in the CD side of things and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.

I now only believe that the government ignored warnings. They were not involved. Its absurd.

I am not going to become one of the awful trolls that insult the people here. I know that you believe what you believe in sincerity but I can no longer believe it myself.

Hope this is understood and taken in the spirit it is given.

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This may sound weird.

But my mate excitedly sent these words in an MSN message to me around 20min ago I think.

One of the bigger CT names :P


Word to the unwise (jk), if you don't want to be converted, don't visit JREF.


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QUOTE (eddykola @ Dec 24 2006, 01:06 AM)
This may sound weird.

But my mate excitedly sent these words in an MSN message to me around 20min ago I think.

One of the bigger CT names :P

What?

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We like to talk about the truth movement from time to time, see whats up.


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QUOTE (eddykola @ Dec 24 2006, 01:06 AM)
Word to the unwise (jk), if you don't want to be converted, don't visit JREF.

But shouldn't we demand to be converted?

If we are true conspiracy theorists we should be open to both sides. Just hiding away here listening to one side of the argument if far from seeking the truth.

If we don't look at both sides, we'll never know if we're wrong.

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:02 AM)
and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.

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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:26 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:02 AM)
and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.

:blink: :blink: :blink:

Killtown I respect a lot of your research. I have no wish to argue with you. But I have debunked you on several occasions and you know it.

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:34 AM)
Killtown I respect a lot of your research. I have no wish to argue with you. But I have debunked you on several occasions and you know it.

Refresh my memory.

And btw, you think a 75 ton 757 w/ 5,500 gal of jetfuel went down a small hole in Shanksville without burning the grass outside the crater?

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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:35 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:34 AM)
Killtown I respect a lot of your research. I have no wish to argue with you. But I have debunked you on several occasions and you know it.

Refresh my memory.

And btw, you think a 75 ton 757 w/ 5,500 gal of jetfuel went down a small hole in Shanksville without burning the grass outside the crater?

Killtown i debunked your sandia psyops nonsense and I also totally destroyed you in the "warm knives through butter" thread.

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why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

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QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.

Thats why my activity here declined.

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:37 AM)
1) Killtown i debunked your sandia psyops nonsense

2) and I also totally destroyed you in the "warm knives through butter" thread.

1) Missed that one, but what does that have to do with 9/11 even if you did?

2) :lol: :lol: :lol: So let's say you did, most truthers don't believe in NPT (you insulted me all the time over it), so that's a moot point huh?

Btw, care to explain Shanksville?

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:02 AM)
Im afraid I no longer believe in the conspiracy theories.

I have always only believed in the CD side of things and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.

I now only believe that the government ignored warnings. They were not involved. Its absurd.

I am not going to become one of the awful trolls that insult the people here. I know that you believe what you believe in sincerity but I can no longer believe it myself.

Hope this is understood and taken in the spirit it is given.

so you now think wtc 1 2 7 were not demolitions?

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.

Thats why my activity here declined.

so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?

I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.

Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.

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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:41 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:37 AM)
1) Killtown i debunked your sandia psyops nonsense

2) and I also totally destroyed you in the "warm knives through butter" thread.

1) Missed that one, but what does that have to do with 9/11 even if you did?

2) :lol: :lol: :lol: So let's say you did, most truthers don't believe in NPT (you insulted me all the time over it), so that's a moot point huh?

Btw, care to explain Shanksville?

Killtown i am yet to see a single piece of evidence that calls the shanksville crash into question. I have always believed a plane crashed there

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QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:44 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.

Thats why my activity here declined.

so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?

I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.

Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.

Reggie they had no motive for 7

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:44 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.

Thats why my activity here declined.

so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?

I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.

Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.

Reggie they had no motive for 7

Has a JFER hacked into your computer or something ? :blink: :)

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:45 AM)
Killtown i am yet to see a single piece of evidence that calls the shanksville crash into question. I have always believed a plane crashed there


Want a single piece of evidence? Ok, what happened to the vertical tail after it only left a impression in the grass, but didn't penetrate the "soft soil"?

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QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:48 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:44 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.

Thats why my activity here declined.

so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?

I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.

Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.

Reggie they had no motive for 7

Has a JFER hacked into your computer or something ? :blink: :)

Its true man. Take a step back and look at how absurd the idea is.

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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:48 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:45 AM)
Killtown i am yet to see a single piece of evidence that calls the shanksville crash into question. I have always believed a plane crashed there


Want a single piece of evidence? Ok, what happened to the vertical tail after it only left a impression in the grass, but didn't penetrate the "soft soil"?

Killtown when will you learn that questions are not evidence.

Your incredulity regarding the tail is not evidence. Things happen when planes hit the ground at 500 miles an hour that you dont expect

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:55 AM)
Killtown when will you learn that questions are not evidence.

Your incredulity regarding the tail is not evidence. Things happen when planes hit the ground at 500 miles an hour that you dont expect

Yep, you sound like true JREFer.


Ok, to make it so you can understand, there is a faint impression in the grass of a vertical tail, but no penetration of the "soft soil". A 757's could not leave a soft impression like that and then disappear.

Proof no 757 hit there.

I you still disagree, then explain what happened to the tail without the vague JREF "every crash is not alike" shpeal.

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)

Reggie they had no motive for 7

And you know this how?


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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:58 AM)
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Killtown when will you learn that questions are not evidence.

Your incredulity regarding the tail is not evidence. Things happen when planes hit the ground at 500 miles an hour that you dont expect

Yep, you sound like true JREFer.


Ok, to make it so you can understand, there is a faint impression in the grass of a vertical tail, but no penetration of the "soft soil". A 757's could not leave a soft impression like that and then disappear.

Proof no 757 hit there.

I you still disagree, then explain what happened to the tail without the vague JREF "every crash is not alike" shpeal.

Killtown evidence would be you showing me where the tail really is or showing me several other identical crashes with the tail still there.

Think what you are saying... Would you convict someone in a court and send them to0 prison because you think the tail should be there?

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QUOTE (NickJ1234 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:04 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)

Reggie they had no motive for 7

And you know this how?

Whats the motive?

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:04 AM)
Killtown evidence would be you showing me where the tail really is or showing me several other identical crashes with the tail still there.

Think what you are saying... Would you convict someone in a court and send them to0 prison because you think the tail should be there?

you think a 757 crashed there, I should you based on physics based on the tail leaving a soft impression but the showing now sign of it proves a 757 didn't crash there.

If you have some logical explaination as to what happened to the tail, I'm all ears.




Then you can explain why no grass outside the crater is burned from the 75ton plane w/ 5,500 gals of fuel crashing there at 580mph.

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Yep, you sound like true JREFer.


Killtown i take offence to this. Even though my mind has changed i still think the jrefers are disgusting.

They have been debating whether to reinstate my account but i would never go back there.

I will continue to argue fairly on here and if i see jrefers strawmanning ill still pull them on it

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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 02:09 AM)
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Killtown evidence would be you showing me where the tail really is or showing me several other identical crashes with the tail still there.

Think what you are saying... Would you convict someone in a court and send them to0 prison because you think the tail should be there?

you think a 757 crashed there, I should you based on physics based on the tail leaving a soft impression but the showing now sign of it proves a 757 didn't crash there.

If you have some logical explaination as to what happened to the tail, I'm all ears.




Then you can explain why no grass outside the crater is burned from the 75ton plane w/ 5,500 gals of fuel crashing there at 580mph.

Give me one reason why the tail could not be broken up.

With regard to burnt grass: The fuel in the plane was also travelling 580 mph and it was travelling partly toward the forest. You might have noticed the forest is burnt, or did they fake that aswell

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:05 AM)
QUOTE (NickJ1234 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:04 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)

Reggie they had no motive for 7

And you know this how?

Whats the motive?

No, YOU made the claim. im asking YOU how you know this

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pdoherty76 - do you still believe the towers were a controlled demolition
 
Also in the cache, page one of PDoherty's "I No Longer Believe" thread:

http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cach...m/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1804

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Im afraid I no longer believe in the conspiracy theories.

I have always only believed in the CD side of things and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.

I now only believe that the government ignored warnings. They were not involved. Its absurd.

I am not going to become one of the awful trolls that insult the people here. I know that you believe what you believe in sincerity but I can no longer believe it myself.

Hope this is understood and taken in the spirit it is given.

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This may sound weird.

But my mate excitedly sent these words in an MSN message to me around 20min ago I think.

One of the bigger CT names :P


Word to the unwise (jk), if you don't want to be converted, don't visit JREF.


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QUOTE (eddykola @ Dec 24 2006, 01:06 AM)
This may sound weird.

But my mate excitedly sent these words in an MSN message to me around 20min ago I think.

One of the bigger CT names :P

What?

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We like to talk about the truth movement from time to time, see whats up.


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QUOTE (eddykola @ Dec 24 2006, 01:06 AM)
Word to the unwise (jk), if you don't want to be converted, don't visit JREF.

But shouldn't we demand to be converted?

If we are true conspiracy theorists we should be open to both sides. Just hiding away here listening to one side of the argument if far from seeking the truth.

If we don't look at both sides, we'll never know if we're wrong.

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:02 AM)
and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.

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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:26 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:02 AM)
and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.

:blink: :blink: :blink:

Killtown I respect a lot of your research. I have no wish to argue with you. But I have debunked you on several occasions and you know it.

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:34 AM)
Killtown I respect a lot of your research. I have no wish to argue with you. But I have debunked you on several occasions and you know it.

Refresh my memory.

And btw, you think a 75 ton 757 w/ 5,500 gal of jetfuel went down a small hole in Shanksville without burning the grass outside the crater?

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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:35 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:34 AM)
Killtown I respect a lot of your research. I have no wish to argue with you. But I have debunked you on several occasions and you know it.

Refresh my memory.

And btw, you think a 75 ton 757 w/ 5,500 gal of jetfuel went down a small hole in Shanksville without burning the grass outside the crater?

Killtown i debunked your sandia psyops nonsense and I also totally destroyed you in the "warm knives through butter" thread.

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why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

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why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.

Thats why my activity here declined.

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:37 AM)
1) Killtown i debunked your sandia psyops nonsense

2) and I also totally destroyed you in the "warm knives through butter" thread.

1) Missed that one, but what does that have to do with 9/11 even if you did?

2) :lol: :lol: :lol: So let's say you did, most truthers don't believe in NPT (you insulted me all the time over it), so that's a moot point huh?

Btw, care to explain Shanksville?

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"In my opinion WTC7 was with the utmost probability brought down by controlled demolition done by experts" - Hugo Bachmann, Professor emeritus for structural analysis and construction at ETH

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:02 AM)
Im afraid I no longer believe in the conspiracy theories.

I have always only believed in the CD side of things and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.

I now only believe that the government ignored warnings. They were not involved. Its absurd.

I am not going to become one of the awful trolls that insult the people here. I know that you believe what you believe in sincerity but I can no longer believe it myself.

Hope this is understood and taken in the spirit it is given.

so you now think wtc 1 2 7 were not demolitions?

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.

Thats why my activity here declined.

so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?

I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.

Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.

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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:41 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:37 AM)
1) Killtown i debunked your sandia psyops nonsense

2) and I also totally destroyed you in the "warm knives through butter" thread.

1) Missed that one, but what does that have to do with 9/11 even if you did?

2) :lol: :lol: :lol: So let's say you did, most truthers don't believe in NPT (you insulted me all the time over it), so that's a moot point huh?

Btw, care to explain Shanksville?

Killtown i am yet to see a single piece of evidence that calls the shanksville crash into question. I have always believed a plane crashed there

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QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:44 AM)
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why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.

Thats why my activity here declined.

so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?

I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.

Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.

Reggie they had no motive for 7

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:44 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.

Thats why my activity here declined.

so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?

I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.

Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.

Reggie they had no motive for 7

Has a JFER hacked into your computer or something ? :blink: :)

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:45 AM)
Killtown i am yet to see a single piece of evidence that calls the shanksville crash into question. I have always believed a plane crashed there


Want a single piece of evidence? Ok, what happened to the vertical tail after it only left a impression in the grass, but didn't penetrate the "soft soil"?

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QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:48 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
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why the sudden change Pdoherty ?

Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.

Thats why my activity here declined.

so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?

I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.

Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.

Reggie they had no motive for 7

Has a JFER hacked into your computer or something ? :blink: :)

Its true man. Take a step back and look at how absurd the idea is.

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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:48 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:45 AM)
Killtown i am yet to see a single piece of evidence that calls the shanksville crash into question. I have always believed a plane crashed there


Want a single piece of evidence? Ok, what happened to the vertical tail after it only left a impression in the grass, but didn't penetrate the "soft soil"?

Killtown when will you learn that questions are not evidence.

Your incredulity regarding the tail is not evidence. Things happen when planes hit the ground at 500 miles an hour that you dont expect

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:55 AM)
Killtown when will you learn that questions are not evidence.

Your incredulity regarding the tail is not evidence. Things happen when planes hit the ground at 500 miles an hour that you dont expect

Yep, you sound like true JREFer.


Ok, to make it so you can understand, there is a faint impression in the grass of a vertical tail, but no penetration of the "soft soil". A 757's could not leave a soft impression like that and then disappear.

Proof no 757 hit there.

I you still disagree, then explain what happened to the tail without the vague JREF "every crash is not alike" shpeal.

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)

Reggie they had no motive for 7

And you know this how?


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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:58 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:55 AM)
Killtown when will you learn that questions are not evidence.

Your incredulity regarding the tail is not evidence. Things happen when planes hit the ground at 500 miles an hour that you dont expect

Yep, you sound like true JREFer.


Ok, to make it so you can understand, there is a faint impression in the grass of a vertical tail, but no penetration of the "soft soil". A 757's could not leave a soft impression like that and then disappear.

Proof no 757 hit there.

I you still disagree, then explain what happened to the tail without the vague JREF "every crash is not alike" shpeal.

Killtown evidence would be you showing me where the tail really is or showing me several other identical crashes with the tail still there.

Think what you are saying... Would you convict someone in a court and send them to0 prison because you think the tail should be there?

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QUOTE (NickJ1234 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:04 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)

Reggie they had no motive for 7

And you know this how?

Whats the motive?

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:04 AM)
Killtown evidence would be you showing me where the tail really is or showing me several other identical crashes with the tail still there.

Think what you are saying... Would you convict someone in a court and send them to0 prison because you think the tail should be there?

you think a 757 crashed there, I should you based on physics based on the tail leaving a soft impression but the showing now sign of it proves a 757 didn't crash there.

If you have some logical explaination as to what happened to the tail, I'm all ears.




Then you can explain why no grass outside the crater is burned from the 75ton plane w/ 5,500 gals of fuel crashing there at 580mph.

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Yep, you sound like true JREFer.


Killtown i take offence to this. Even though my mind has changed i still think the jrefers are disgusting.

They have been debating whether to reinstate my account but i would never go back there.

I will continue to argue fairly on here and if i see jrefers strawmanning ill still pull them on it

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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 02:09 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:04 AM)
Killtown evidence would be you showing me where the tail really is or showing me several other identical crashes with the tail still there.

Think what you are saying... Would you convict someone in a court and send them to0 prison because you think the tail should be there?

you think a 757 crashed there, I should you based on physics based on the tail leaving a soft impression but the showing now sign of it proves a 757 didn't crash there.

If you have some logical explaination as to what happened to the tail, I'm all ears.




Then you can explain why no grass outside the crater is burned from the 75ton plane w/ 5,500 gals of fuel crashing there at 580mph.

Give me one reason why the tail could not be broken up.

With regard to burnt grass: The fuel in the plane was also travelling 580 mph and it was travelling partly toward the forest. You might have noticed the forest is burnt, or did they fake that aswell

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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:05 AM)
QUOTE (NickJ1234 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:04 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)

Reggie they had no motive for 7

And you know this how?

Whats the motive?

No, YOU made the claim. im asking YOU how you know this

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pdoherty76 - do you still believe the towers were a controlled demolition


Oops. Now, how is he going to explain that on the thread at LooseWithTheTruth where he is currently claiming he didn't post any such thing?

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Oops. Now, how is he going to explain that on the thread at LooseWithTheTruth where he is currently claiming he didn't post any such thing?

:dl:
He will say that it was ... his little brother !!!

pdoherty76 (or his brother) @LCF said:
My brother must have come on and used my account. Hes such a mischeivious sod. I apologise if he confused you.

LashL, may I borrow your dog?

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He will say that it was ... his little brother !!!

Ahh, yes, the old "it wasn't me, it was my little brother" ploy. You know, I don't think that even the LooseWithTheTruth boyz will buy that one.

LashL, may I borrow your dog?

Any time! It's not actually mine but JREF's and you can reproduce it any time by typing : dl : without the spaces :D
 
Over on the DohP thread at LC (http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3343&st=0), Dylan has jumped in to give his two cents. I can no longer post at the forums, having been banned for simply not believing the 'conspiracy'. It's not worth my time to sign up again just to have my posts deleted and to be banned again.

Here are some of Dylan's words of wisdom in that thread:

Hey, if a 20 year old online RPG buff gets a claim to fame by putting subtitles over someone else's hard work, more power to him.

This, coming from a twenty-something, pot-smoking, film school dropouot who gets a claim to fame by putting a techno soundtrack behind other people's hard work. Glass houses, throwing stones, etc, etc.

The best part is Marky will have to pay $10 to debunk the Final Cut. :D

They pose no threat whatsoever.

I assume that the $10 Mr. Avery is reffering to is the ticket price of his ever-postponed "final cut".

Don't worry, Dylan, if your movie ever hits the cinemas, Marky and others (who easily tear apart your claims) will be the least of your worries. If Loose Change ever breaks out of the internet-slacker demographic, expect experts who currently can't be bothered with your google video to come out of the woodwork. Right now, your claims can't stand up to the simplest criticism. Wait until professional engineers, demolition experts, and other professionals begin dissecting your ignorance.

I honestly can't wait for the theatrical release of Loose Change: Final Cut. Dylan will be known as a laughing-stock nationwide, instead of just on the internet.

Of course, that's if the movie ever makes it to theaters. If Dylan's past failed promises are any indication, the Final Cut won't ever make it beyond the intenet.

in reponse to this post:
"Dylan, allow me to ask you something: do you think the fact that Mark is 20 and doesn't have a job makes his analysis of Loose Change any less credible?"

Dylan responds:
It certainly makes it more laughable. Along with his terrible attempts at debunking, as proven earlier in this thread.

According to Dylan, being 20 and unemployed makes someone's analysis more laughable. How about being a minimum-wage, 20-something, who can't get into film school? Does that make claims more laughable?

Laughable?
How about Dylan's promise that LC would definately be screened for British Parliment. How about his hypocritical forums that ban anyone who questions the conspiracy. How about the way incriminating posts dissappear at Loose Change. Or Dylan and the Hardly Boys claiming to have found the black boxes at the Smithsonian. Or how the Louder Than Words crew has to keep cleaning up their messes (Bermas' "Firefighters are in on it", Rowe claiming the errors were intentionally left in.)

If anyone knows about being laughable it's Do-Over Dylan.

Oh, no! Some pissed off internet junkie in Minneapolis is going to stand outside theaters and hand out something he printed!

Dylan knows that pamphlets are useless against YouTube and bullhorns.

Go ahead. More people will go in to see it.

Exactly. Who cares whether it's true or not. As long as more people see the film, Dylan is happy. It's not about the money... really.
 
None of them have spotted that they're basing all of this on an interview from 2004.

Also, the Google cache still has another P'Doh gem from a disappeared thread:

The Boy Doherty @LC said:
When will the JREFers show respect in general. A poster at JREF has stolen my photo and put a big L on the forehead and is now using it as an avatar. Do you agree with that?
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cach...e_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3028&st=90

This is the photo in question:

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Courtesy of Framer Dave.

Originally (without the 'L'), this was here:

[SIZE=-1]http://www.flirtbox.co.uk/dating/pdoherty76.html

Until Pdoherty deleted it and claimed it was a fake:

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P'Doh said:
Dog town how many times do I have to tell you that isnt me. In fact it wouldnt surprise me if you had set that up.

Anyway, the guy in the picture, whoever he is, is still infinitely better looking thab no-tits abby

http://abbyscott.blogspot.com/2006/...ther-age-11-take-two.html#c116488528824552780
 
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This is the photo in question:

avatar4129_1.gif

What's wrong with acknowledging him as the "Leading" man in the twoofer movement? Or is he thinking the "L" means something else?

Whatever could he be suggesting?
 
Oh, no! Some pissed off internet junkie in Minneapolis is going to stand outside theaters and hand out something he printed!

Oh Dylan. I'm more than just a pissed off internet junkie. You'll regret this.
 

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