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pdoherty76
Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:02 AM
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Im afraid I no longer believe in the conspiracy theories.
I have always only believed in the CD side of things and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.
I now only believe that the government ignored warnings. They were not involved. Its absurd.
I am not going to become one of the awful trolls that insult the people here. I know that you believe what you believe in sincerity but I can no longer believe it myself.
Hope this is understood and taken in the spirit it is given.
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eddykola
Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:06 AM
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This may sound weird.
But my mate excitedly sent these words in an MSN message to me around 20min ago I think.
One of the bigger CT names
Word to the unwise (jk), if you don't want to be converted, don't visit JREF.
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pdoherty76
Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:07 AM
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QUOTE (eddykola @ Dec 24 2006, 01:06 AM)
This may sound weird.
But my mate excitedly sent these words in an MSN message to me around 20min ago I think.
One of the bigger CT names
What?
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eddykola
Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:08 AM
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We like to talk about the truth movement from time to time, see whats up.
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Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE (eddykola @ Dec 24 2006, 01:06 AM)
Word to the unwise (jk), if you don't want to be converted, don't visit JREF.
But shouldn't we demand to be converted?
If we are true conspiracy theorists we should be open to both sides. Just hiding away here listening to one side of the argument if far from seeking the truth.
If we don't look at both sides, we'll never know if we're wrong.
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Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:26 AM
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:02 AM)
and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.
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pdoherty76
Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:34 AM
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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:26 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:02 AM)
and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.
:blink: :blink: :blink:
Killtown I respect a lot of your research. I have no wish to argue with you. But I have debunked you on several occasions and you know it.
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Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:35 AM
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:34 AM)
Killtown I respect a lot of your research. I have no wish to argue with you. But I have debunked you on several occasions and you know it.
Refresh my memory.
And btw, you think a 75 ton 757 w/ 5,500 gal of jetfuel went down a small hole in Shanksville without burning the grass outside the crater?
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pdoherty76
Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:37 AM
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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:35 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:34 AM)
Killtown I respect a lot of your research. I have no wish to argue with you. But I have debunked you on several occasions and you know it.
Refresh my memory.
And btw, you think a 75 ton 757 w/ 5,500 gal of jetfuel went down a small hole in Shanksville without burning the grass outside the crater?
Killtown i debunked your sandia psyops nonsense and I also totally destroyed you in the "warm knives through butter" thread.
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Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM
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why the sudden change Pdoherty ?
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QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?
Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.
Thats why my activity here declined.
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Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:41 AM
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:37 AM)
1) Killtown i debunked your sandia psyops nonsense
2) and I also totally destroyed you in the "warm knives through butter" thread.
1) Missed that one, but what does that have to do with 9/11 even if you did?
2) :lol: :lol: :lol: So let's say you did, most truthers don't believe in NPT (you insulted me all the time over it), so that's a moot point huh?
Btw, care to explain Shanksville?
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"In my opinion WTC7 was with the utmost probability brought down by controlled demolition done by experts" - Hugo Bachmann, Professor emeritus for structural analysis and construction at ETH
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:02 AM)
Im afraid I no longer believe in the conspiracy theories.
I have always only believed in the CD side of things and you will have noticed I debunked killtown on several occasions.
I now only believe that the government ignored warnings. They were not involved. Its absurd.
I am not going to become one of the awful trolls that insult the people here. I know that you believe what you believe in sincerity but I can no longer believe it myself.
Hope this is understood and taken in the spirit it is given.
so you now think wtc 1 2 7 were not demolitions?
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Reggie_perrin
Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?
Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.
Thats why my activity here declined.
so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?
I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.
Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.
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Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:45 AM
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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:41 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:37 AM)
1) Killtown i debunked your sandia psyops nonsense
2) and I also totally destroyed you in the "warm knives through butter" thread.
1) Missed that one, but what does that have to do with 9/11 even if you did?
2) :lol: :lol: :lol: So let's say you did, most truthers don't believe in NPT (you insulted me all the time over it), so that's a moot point huh?
Btw, care to explain Shanksville?
Killtown i am yet to see a single piece of evidence that calls the shanksville crash into question. I have always believed a plane crashed there
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Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM
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QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:44 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?
Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.
Thats why my activity here declined.
so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?
I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.
Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.
Reggie they had no motive for 7
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:44 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?
Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.
Thats why my activity here declined.
so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?
I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.
Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.
Reggie they had no motive for 7
Has a JFER hacked into your computer or something ? :blink:
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Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:48 AM
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:45 AM)
Killtown i am yet to see a single piece of evidence that calls the shanksville crash into question. I have always believed a plane crashed there
Want a single piece of evidence? Ok, what happened to the vertical tail after it only left a impression in the grass, but didn't penetrate the "soft soil"?
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pdoherty76
Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:53 AM
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QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:48 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:44 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:40 AM)
QUOTE (Reggie_perrin @ Dec 24 2006, 01:39 AM)
why the sudden change Pdoherty ?
Reggie it aint sudden really. I realised over a period that i was arguing with the rational part of me not just jrefers.
Thats why my activity here declined.
so you don't think wtc7 was a con/dem anymore ?
I have to say for me the ISI connections with regard the wiring of money isnt just an absurd conspiricy theory, they had to have known about this in the US intellegence agencies.
Everyone can change there minds though, ive no problems with that.
Reggie they had no motive for 7
Has a JFER hacked into your computer or something ? :blink:
Its true man. Take a step back and look at how absurd the idea is.
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Posted: Dec 24 2006, 01:55 AM
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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:48 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:45 AM)
Killtown i am yet to see a single piece of evidence that calls the shanksville crash into question. I have always believed a plane crashed there
Want a single piece of evidence? Ok, what happened to the vertical tail after it only left a impression in the grass, but didn't penetrate the "soft soil"?
Killtown when will you learn that questions are not evidence.
Your incredulity regarding the tail is not evidence. Things happen when planes hit the ground at 500 miles an hour that you dont expect
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:55 AM)
Killtown when will you learn that questions are not evidence.
Your incredulity regarding the tail is not evidence. Things happen when planes hit the ground at 500 miles an hour that you dont expect
Yep, you sound like true JREFer.
Ok, to make it so you can understand, there is a faint impression in the grass of a vertical tail, but no penetration of the "soft soil". A 757's could not leave a soft impression like that and then disappear.
Proof no 757 hit there.
I you still disagree, then explain what happened to the tail without the vague JREF "every crash is not alike" shpeal.
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)
Reggie they had no motive for 7
And you know this how?
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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 01:58 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:55 AM)
Killtown when will you learn that questions are not evidence.
Your incredulity regarding the tail is not evidence. Things happen when planes hit the ground at 500 miles an hour that you dont expect
Yep, you sound like true JREFer.
Ok, to make it so you can understand, there is a faint impression in the grass of a vertical tail, but no penetration of the "soft soil". A 757's could not leave a soft impression like that and then disappear.
Proof no 757 hit there.
I you still disagree, then explain what happened to the tail without the vague JREF "every crash is not alike" shpeal.
Killtown evidence would be you showing me where the tail really is or showing me several other identical crashes with the tail still there.
Think what you are saying... Would you convict someone in a court and send them to0 prison because you think the tail should be there?
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QUOTE (NickJ1234 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:04 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)
Reggie they had no motive for 7
And you know this how?
Whats the motive?
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:04 AM)
Killtown evidence would be you showing me where the tail really is or showing me several other identical crashes with the tail still there.
Think what you are saying... Would you convict someone in a court and send them to0 prison because you think the tail should be there?
you think a 757 crashed there, I should you based on physics based on the tail leaving a soft impression but the showing now sign of it proves a 757 didn't crash there.
If you have some logical explaination as to what happened to the tail, I'm all ears.
Then you can explain why no grass outside the crater is burned from the 75ton plane w/ 5,500 gals of fuel crashing there at 580mph.
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Yep, you sound like true JREFer.
Killtown i take offence to this. Even though my mind has changed i still think the jrefers are disgusting.
They have been debating whether to reinstate my account but i would never go back there.
I will continue to argue fairly on here and if i see jrefers strawmanning ill still pull them on it
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QUOTE (Killtown @ Dec 24 2006, 02:09 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:04 AM)
Killtown evidence would be you showing me where the tail really is or showing me several other identical crashes with the tail still there.
Think what you are saying... Would you convict someone in a court and send them to0 prison because you think the tail should be there?
you think a 757 crashed there, I should you based on physics based on the tail leaving a soft impression but the showing now sign of it proves a 757 didn't crash there.
If you have some logical explaination as to what happened to the tail, I'm all ears.
Then you can explain why no grass outside the crater is burned from the 75ton plane w/ 5,500 gals of fuel crashing there at 580mph.
Give me one reason why the tail could not be broken up.
With regard to burnt grass: The fuel in the plane was also travelling 580 mph and it was travelling partly toward the forest. You might have noticed the forest is burnt, or did they fake that aswell
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QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:05 AM)
QUOTE (NickJ1234 @ Dec 24 2006, 02:04 AM)
QUOTE (pdoherty76 @ Dec 24 2006, 01:46 AM)
Reggie they had no motive for 7
And you know this how?
Whats the motive?
No, YOU made the claim. im asking YOU how you know this
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pdoherty76 - do you still believe the towers were a controlled demolition