Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

[Edx]

I'm looking for the link. I will find it in due course. Exciting isn't it ? lol

It will be funny when we see your standards of proof, again.

 

[T.A.M.]

I'm looking for the link. I will find it in due course. Exciting isn't it ? lol

no problem. Don't forget now, we are looking for "Proof" not "opinion" not "speculation" not "coincidence".

Thanks

TAM

 

[tfk]

The non-detail attempts by others here to say the fireboats were small or that the pressure would not be great enough to run hoses from a distance are a joke.

No, Tony. Your completely amateurish critique of the firefighters' efforts is a joke.

The fact that you make all these assertions with precisely ZERO "detail" provided is a joke.

Your (not "Monday Morning"...) Next Decade Quaterbacking is a joke.

You teetering on the brink of turning yourself into a joke.


Tom

 

[bill smith]

So they are lying, jesus what is wrong with you?

That means they are in on the coverup.



Well go then, we've been waiting years for that.

Suppose your family was threatened ? Would you talk ? Do you think that if people would murder 3,000 they would flinch from murdering a few more.

 

[Edx]

Suppose your family was threatened ? Would you talk ? Do you think that if people would murder 3,000 they would flinch from murdering a few more.

Just so we are clear, you are saying that the FDNY are in on it that you denied before.

Secondly, as people keep telling you all of them have to be lying both on the day and afterwards. Theres not a single hint that any of them had a problem with the way they fought the fires, the extent of the fires, the damage to WTC7, that they knew it was coming down or how it came down.

The only reason you have to say they are lying is because they prove the truthers are lying.

 

[bardamu]

It would look, and just as importantly, sound, like this:



Note you do not see any deformation until the building is actually collapsing. Also note the very loud explosions, heard even though there are helicopters hovering nearby.

Have you learned anything from this video of an actual, real controlled demolition bardamu?

The implication is that without the loud bangs and the flashes, this could only be a random progressive collapse. NIST could easily demonstrate this using simulations based on the observation that the structure actually did collapse. All they'd need to do is assume that the interior was collapsing progressively for an unknown number of seconds immediately before the collapse, unobservable from the exterior.

On the other hand, the team that demolished this building had no obvious reason to want to keep the noise levels to a minimum or avoid flashes.

Huh? In your estimation? What the hell does that mean? In what possible way are you qualified to make an estimation on how fast, or IF even, the building should have fallen?

Yea. An "edumacated" estimation. Like my math teacher always used to say, can you show your work?

I was asked for my estimation and I gave it. Don't ask for things you don't want!

Pathetic dodge. You think 12 seconds is 'ridiculously fast', so what would be reasonable? The 'building shouldn't have collapsed' is not an answer to this question.

The question itself is illogical. It's like asking: "How long would it take a cat to swim across the Atlantic Ocean?". It's what's known as a conundrum.

Ok then. End of discussion. You're not offering any alternative engineering-based hypothesis, as expected.

Debunkers will waffle forever about humongous amounts of energy crashing into weakened structures that can't possibly take the strain. When the conversation turns to the finer details of how that energy could have been transferred from one body to another, the posts become noticeably shorter and eventually the discussion draws to a close.

Dont worry Tony, just another one of your lying firefighters!

Another one to add to the list.

 

[TruthersLie]

The implication is that without the loud bangs and the flashes, this could only be a random progressive collapse. NIST could easily demonstrate this using simulations based on the observation that the structure actually did collapse. All they'd need to do is assume that the interior was collapsing progressively for an unknown number of seconds immediately before the collapse, unobservable from the exterior.

On the other hand, the team that demolished this building had no obvious reason to want to keep the noise levels to a minimum or avoid flashes.

again your ignorance is showing.

Please provide me with a simple easy explosive (or any other method) which can cut through the steel beams silently.

It should be easy.

Still waiting on that.

P.s. yes you can try to minimize the sound from the explosives that re necessary. You can set up sound baffleing and other things. But again and again PEOPLE WOULD NOTICE large groups of men walking around your office building with sandbags or noise baffles...

of course you would notice people drilling holes and wiring up explosives.

argument from ignorance rejected.

 

[alienentity]

Wow. Just came back to this thread to witness Tony Szamboti devolving into an average truther, having being defeated at his 'A' game, the missing jolt theory.
Having now abandoned any pretense of sound engineering to back up his conspiracy beliefs, Tony is now letting his delusions run free for all to see.

Remember the tilt Tony, and how you denied it happened right away, because you knew that it destroyed your argument? Remember how you ran away from WTC2 because it automatically destroyed your argument?

I don't blame you for evading those realities, because they threaten your worldview and scare you. So go play amongst the other truthers, and abandon the adult world. If you accuse FDNY of being part of mass murder, we understand - you are delusional, pure and simple.

Bardamu, the idea of irreducible delusion is not a smear, it is a theory, as elucidated by Mr. Mackey. You would do well to read his words.

 

[tfk]

And you guys have let bill draw you into his bullshyte again...

When are you ever gonna learn.

He doesn't play the same game you play.
He doesn't care about logic.
He doesn't care about correct & incorrect.
He doesn't care that you PROVE him to be a moron.

HE ... DOES ... NOT ... CARE.

Every time you answer him, even when you demolish his bs argument, he considers it a victory.

If you can't exercise the self-restraint, I highly recommend the ignore button.

He WILL get more & more desperate.
He WILL start to say more & more ludicrous things. (Yeah, even more so than now.)
He WILL show his true agenda.

He has been at this, EVERY SINGLE DAY of the week for about 3 years now.

Don't you get it?


Tom.

PS. The cherry on top is that, if you really, truly, simply ignore him, it WILL drive him bat-guano crazy. I dare you to try it.

It is the one & only path to ending his ability to pull every single conversation here down to a 3rd grade level.

WHICH IS PRECISELY HIS INTENT...!!!

And you guys LET HIM do it.

 

[bill smith]

Just so we are clear, you are saying that the FDNY are in on it that you denied before.

Secondly, as people keep telling you all of them have to be lying both on the day and afterwards. Theres not a single hint that any of them had a problem with the way they fought the fires, the extent of the fires, the damage to WTC7, that they knew it was coming down or how it came down.

The only reason you have to say they are lying is because they prove the truthers are lying.

Repeat after me. ' I am saying that a small portion of the FDNY were involved in what happened on 9/11 '

Can you do that ? lol

PS. Do you really want me to put up the sworn statements of hundreds of firefighters testifying to heavy explosions that they thought were connected with bringing the buildings down. I bet you don't and readers should note that. The stuff I have is very convincing and I will post it when EDX here aks me to. But will he ? Does he want you to read it ? and watch the videos ? Eh ? Edx ?

 

[Edx]

The implication is that without the loud bangs and the flashes, this could only be a random progressive collapse. NIST could easily demonstrate this using simulations based on the observation that the structure actually did collapse. All they'd need to do is assume that the interior was collapsing progressively for an unknown number of seconds immediately before the collapse, unobservable from the exterior.

No they wouldnt since theres no evidence of that, whereas with Building 7 we can see the interior is clearly collapsing inside.

What are the characteristics of an explosive demoltion bardamu? LOUD BANGS, since there are no loud bangs whatsoever in any WTC7 video we can tell that it couldnt have been explosives.

Had the situation with this building been like that on 911 with WTC7 we would have reason to think it collapsed from fire as well.

On the other hand, the team that demolished this building had no obvious reason to want to keep the noise levels to a minimum or avoid flashes.

You dont understand the way sound works.

It is physically impossible to make a silent explosive.


You are also ignoring all the "expert" truthers saying that WTC7 fits a classic demolition perfectly, yet when its pointed out it doesnt look like one they start making excuses like you are. No loud bangs? Silent explosives. No flashes? They covered up the flashes. etc.

Debunkers will waffle forever about humongous amounts of energy crashing into weakened structures that can't possibly take the strain. When the conversation turns to the finer details of how that energy could have been transferred from one body to another, the posts become noticeably shorter and eventually the discussion draws to a close.

Please, be more vague.

Another one to add to the list.

The list of all the FDNY apparently, you truthers are such a fine bunch. Why dont you go picket the FDNY and accuse them all of covering up the conspiracy? But you wont because you want to pretend you are on their side.

 

[Edx]

Repeat after me. ' I am saying that a small portion of the FDNY were involved in what happened on 9/11 '

Can you do that ? lol

So only a small portion are involved with the coverup yet all of them are lying to coverup the conspiracy.

How can you not see a contradiction?

If they are lying they are involved in a coverup.

 

[alienentity]

On the other hand, the team that demolished this building had no obvious reason to want to keep the noise levels to a minimum or avoid flashes.

Could you please provide a link to an explosive demolition which uses the silent explosives your hypothesis requires? Or are you just talking out of your butt?

You can make stuff up if you like, but please recognize that it is as real as a cat swimming across the Atlantic.

I'll give you another, more concrete analogy to your type of logic: We have rocket technology, we have the capability to survive in space for extended periods of time.
We have the theoretical means to travel to other planets in the solar system, therefore....... the Space Truther Movement declares we must have already done so and secretly have colonized Mars.
Anyone who denies this is part of a vast conspiracy to hide the facts from the general public.
Photos from Mars prove nothing since NASA is a government agency and therefore is being muzzled into silence. Whistleblowers are not appearing because their families are threatened, or they are quietly disposed of.

Please join the Space Truther Movement, and buy our new DVD from Architects and Engineers for Space Truth, featuring Gichard Rage.


ETA: note that my theory is more plausible, since silent explosives do not exist, but space travel does. Them the facts.

 

[alienentity]

So only a small portion are involved with the coverup yet all of them are lying to coverup the conspiracy.

How can you not see a contradiction?

If they are lying they are involved in a coverup.

Why can't trolls just play nice? Oh, because they're trolls. Duh.

 

[T.A.M.]

still waiting for that link to the "proof" that some of the FDNY members were in on the collapse of WTC7.

TAM

 

[Bluesky]

I have no problem naming names. I want fire chief Daniel Nigro deposed under oath and asked the types of questions I am bringing up here.

So you reckon that the guy in charge of the FDNY on 9/11, after his immediate boss had been killed in the collapse of the towers, was part of the conspiracy to kill thousands including 343 fire fighters in his staff.

And despite all the interviews and statements that he has given, you think that he will change his story when he is questioned under oath.

You guys are a sick.

 

[alienentity]

And you guys have let bill draw you into his bullshyte again...

When are you ever gonna learn.

He doesn't play the same game you play.
He doesn't care about logic.
He doesn't care about correct & incorrect.
He doesn't care that you PROVE him to be a moron.

HE ... DOES ... NOT ... CARE.

Every time you answer him, even when you demolish his bs argument, he considers it a victory.

If you can't exercise the self-restraint, I highly recommend the ignore button.

He WILL get more & more desperate.
He WILL start to say more & more ludicrous things. (Yeah, even more so than now.)
He WILL show his true agenda.

He has been at this, EVERY SINGLE DAY of the week for about 3 years now.

Don't you get it?


Tom.

PS. The cherry on top is that, if you really, truly, simply ignore him, it WILL drive him bat-guano crazy. I dare you to try it.

It is the one & only path to ending his ability to pull every single conversation here down to a 3rd grade level.

WHICH IS PRECISELY HIS INTENT...!!!

And you guys LET HIM do it.

Seconded. Hear hear.

 

[Mangoose]

In case it wasn't clear to others, the image I posted above is indeed of 90 West Street.

 

[TjW]

I have videos of buildings on fire at ground zero being hosed down. Let's face it anyway- when the initial small fires were spotted a few teams of firemen could have easily put them out simply by using a trucked in supply of fire extinguishers.

Your excuses sound more ridiculous all the time.

I think you're on to something here, bill. As we all know, hundreds of warehouses, only minutes away from Manhattan, maintain trucks pre-loaded with fire extinguishers and kept on hand for just such an emergency.

 

[alienentity]

So you reckon that the guy in charge of the FDNY on 9/11, after his immediate boss had been killed in the collapse of the towers, was part of the conspiracy to kill thousands including 343 fire fighters in his staff.

And despite all the interviews and statements that he has given, you think that he will change his story when he is questioned under oath.

You guys are a sick.

I bet if he were tortured a bit, he'd confess. They all deserve a bit of torture, those conspirators, don't they? After what they done.