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Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

RedIbis said:
Or do you think it's possible that in the extreme drama and emotion of that moment, their memory might be exaggerating the details of what actually occurred?
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If they were ordinary civilians, then I would say yes. However, since they fought fires for a living, and it's their business to evaluate the size and potential dangers of a fire, I would have to say no.
 
parky76 said:
why are you calling the FDNY and NYPD, "9-11 co-conspirators"?
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Parky, I have been quite patient with you up to now, I understand your problems and I have made allowances for them, but you are clearly just trolling me for the sake of it.

Last chance for you now, quote me where I said the FDNY and the NYPD were "co-conspirators" or retract that claim. If you don't do either then I have no option but to put you on ignore. Hope you understand.:)
 
aggle-rithm said:
If they were ordinary civilians, then I would say yes. However, since they fought fires for a living, and it's their business to evaluate the size and potential dangers of a fire, I would have to say no.
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How rational do you think it is to hold 2 contradictory beliefs?

The firefighters, some of them anyway, describe a building with every floor on fire. The NIST report says that 15 floors were on fire and not all at once.

Do you understandf that these 2 things cannot both be true???

Either NIST are lying, for some reason I can't fathom, or the firefighters were exagerating. Which is it?
 
vinniem said:
How rational do you think it is to hold 2 contradictory beliefs?

The firefighters, some of them anyway, describe a building with every floor on fire. The NIST report says that 15 floors were on fire and not all at once.

Do you understandf that these 2 things cannot both be true???

Either NIST are lying, for some reason I can't fathom, or the firefighters were exagerating. Which is it?
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Ever hear of hyperbole?

Either way, so what? Fire and the lack of water for fire fighting caused the structure to collapse.
 
vinniem said:
How rational do you think it is to hold 2 contradictory beliefs?

The firefighters, some of them anyway, describe a building with every floor on fire. The NIST report says that 15 floors were on fire and not all at once.
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Does NIST say there was ONLY fires on 15 floors?

Do you understandf that these 2 things cannot both be true???

Either NIST are lying, for some reason I can't fathom, or the firefighters were exagerating. Which is it?
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Oh wow how hilarious.

Earlier you were telling me how to exaggerate meant lying.

You are so funny!!!
 
So... liek... how big does a fire have to be in order to be considered... well... big?
I guessed at one point you conspiracy guys measured it by how many floors were burning compared to the total number floors. Does that correctly sum up the basis? Or am I missing something?
 
vinniem is posting in this thread and acts like he doesn't see this post.
Edx said:
1. How big is the Windsor tower?

2. Why do you only show that one picture of WTC7 when that's deceptive since that's surely early on in the day and on the north side? WTC7 took up the size of a city block, so when you see flames on the north side that's actually means fires have moved across a whole block!
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Or this post.
Grizzly Bear said:
Doesn't really work if you're selectively excluding images which provide a better measure. Tell me, how big of an interior fire is required to to give off a large volume of smoke; say... several floors?

http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=340&stc=1&d=1258063359



So if Madrid was a large fire, and WTC 5 was a large fire can you tell me how you made the call that WTC 7 and this fire in the WTC are "small" (preferably being more truthful).

Here's a comparison for you:

WTC5: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/docs/wtc5_fire_floors.jpg

6 or seven floors, let's not forget that firefighters had easier access to this one since it wasn't more than 800 ft in the air inside a skyscraper.

WTC 1 soon before collapse: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rLV-ZuNPw...TlEKQ/s400/NorthTowerFireGJS-WTC27cropped.jpg

How many floors do you see on fire there? At an acre per floor would that count as small too?
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Cowboy up, vinnie. Answer a question. Don't run away again.
 
Ah. That explains a lot. That poster wasn't adding much to the discussion. Whenever someone talks about 'pwnage' they aren't being serious.
 
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