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rorylee said:
you're so naive.. i spose you like to think that everyone on earth is of a peaceful nature and true to themselves aswell never holding secrets...
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But, see, this is not EVIDENCE of a particular conspiracy. This is the fallacy that a lot of CTers make. They know, as we all do, that humans do what humans do. But that, in and of itself, is not proof. That's why you need to show that the accused is guilty in court, not just point out that people do bad things to get a conviction.
 
rorylee said:
same **** all over again.. and only from skeptic people.. i think u can make sense of what im saying
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Only with greater effort than is necessary because I have to translate from rorylee-talk to English all the time. This is the only reason why people want you to be more careful about your spelling: it saves time and effort, and minimises misunderstandings.
 
I believe the article you read about the use of water to release built up geological tension is in no way proving or implying that there is a way of controlling earthquakes. The only thing it is saying is that there is possibly a way to smoothly release building energy in fault areas so as to make multiple small earthquakes as opposed to the less frequent big ones. There is no enducing of an earthquake throuh hydration, only facilitating the natural movement of the earth.

HAARP, while very interesting and somewhat mysterious cannot affect techtonic movements. Plus HAARP was built to try to control the weather which I believe it has had limited success at.
 
Shadou said:
I believe the article you read about the use of water to release built up geological tension is in no way proving or implying that there is a way of controlling earthquakes. The only thing it is saying is that there is possibly a way to smoothly release building energy in fault areas so as to make multiple small earthquakes as opposed to the less frequent big ones. There is no enducing of an earthquake throuh hydration, only facilitating the natural movement of the earth.
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Doing well so far...
HAARP, while very interesting
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Keep going...
and somewhat mysterious cannot affect techtonic movements.
Plus HAARP was built to try to control the weather which I believe it has had limited success at.
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And he blows it.
 
HAARP is not a very interesting topic since it is filled with a lot of zero results. But I do remember an article that HAARP formed a small cloud or something anti-climatic.

He's right. A terrible oversite on my part. HAARP was never ment for controlling anything. Only for gaining understanding of the ionosphere.
 
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If you think that HAARP was intented to control the weather, I can see why you'd think it hasn't had a lot of positive results. I'd also ask you to at least spend five seconds on Google before posting drivel.
 
rorylee said:
A general discussion. How many people here knew they could control earthquakes with water? Given its a known fact from 1992 and 18 years later imagine how efficient they have become at doing it. In saying that everything needs to be tested with a trial and error process.
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I would actually like for Correa Neto to tell us if this works on all unstable grounds (esp. on oceanic plates, which carry a lot of water), and on what kind of scale you would need to inject water to create a sudden huge earthquake.

rorylee said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_21st_century_earthquakes

have a look at that list. Each year up till 2009 the list got quite larger, what does that tell you? It tells me a few things but i don't want to use the power of suggestion yet. Given they may not all are recorded on that page. I know of one lately in Illinois which was only 4.3 and never happens there.
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That is indeed remarkable. How can it go from only 6 severe earthquakes in 2001, to 32 in 2008? But the explanation makes it all so much less sensational: The collection of earthquakes was started 22 May 2008 (Wikipedia "Project Earthquake" page revision history) That is 10 days after the disastrous Sichuan Earthquake, by the way. Here are all earthquakes for 2003: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/significant/sig_2003.php

See, that's a whole lot more earthquakes (well over 40). But the people on wikipedia only seem to want to include the entries that have fatalities listed. To gather those numbers (from local newspapers probably), several years after the event, for all the earthquakes, I imagine is a bitch.

I randomly picked 2003.. But here's 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.

rorylee said:
Then just have a think with the image below where the plates are located, sure natural earthquakes happen but the impression i get is the water method can only be done in the areas with plates(correct me if im wrong).
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If you read the image in the OP of yours, then you will see that injecting water helps to destabilize unstable ground. So it seems to me that it works only to turn large ground collapse into smaller ground collapses, which do not shake the earth so much. I'm not sure the plates are a necessary component.

And in ANY case, HAARP is a completely utterly disconnected subject, but I think you already understood that. Just wanted to vocalize it.

rorylee said:
And that then lends to why? Why would anyone want to control earthquakes or make them happen. Many reasons i can come up with, maybe others can add or cancel out the ones below.

1: For the good, helping earthquakes not destroy buildings and kill thousands of people.
2: For war, threats and power etc.
3: For developers who want beautiful coastal land to build luscious resorts in-replace of the 3rd world living with beautiful coastal views and life style when people wont sell them the land(typical act everywhere just on larger scale lol).
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Again, you need to actually inject massive amounts of water directly into the unstable ground. A strength 2 earthquake is 10 times more powerful then a strength 1. A strength 3 earthquake is 10 times more powerful then a strength 2. Etcetera. To put a significant earthquake in motion, you would need to lubricate, really fast, a significant enough proportion of the ground, so it all collapses in one go. I'd estimate you would need huge, gigantic drills to push enough water into the ground to start a big enough earthquake. We're probably talking about a multitude of drilling platform sized installations, with the world's biggest drilling tubes. It is unlikely that this wasn't noticed. And it is also quite unlikely that someone would like to have their huge drill equipment right at the epicentre of an earthquake. Really difficult with insurance and stuff... We're a pretty clever species over all, Rorylee, but we're not THAT good. Or stupid.

Now we can easily address your 3 reasons and any others you may come up with:
1: "for the good". So, this is being done. Small scale injections to produce small scale earthquakes and stabilize the ground.
2: "for war and threats." We're talking about these impossible humongous installations now, that could hypothetically create huge earthquakes and that need to inject water into the desired zone. I don't see them smuggling these things into hostile area or even Haiti.
3: "population displacement". If you have such funds available to create a whole damn earthquake, you can pay these people to go away, pay the government to ordain them away, or make even better beaches right into the sea.

Dubai World Islands:


Now, this is all neat and you may or may not believe me. It is not my intention to change your mind on the topic. What I did is I used some skepticism and looked for alternative explanations to ludicrous theories. And I found one that doesn't include crazy alternations to the world's structure and neatly fits within all other theories that I have about this world. I don't do that because I like my world view so much: I'd much rather believe that we humans are all powerful, maybe, capable of moving the tectonic plates of our planet. If we can do that, what else can we do? We could move South America to Africa!!
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Seriously now, that is all just fantasy, and to understand the world, I must have a way of achieving reliable knowledge. Skepticism is a much more reliable tool to do this, than looking for facts that support the theory your imagination invented.

Also, thanks for putting some effort into your presentation. It's looking so much better, almost instantly.
 
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I blame it on the CTs... Wait a minute... It's a conspiracy!

oh noes! I opens pandoras boxes.
 
Sledge said:
If you think that HAARP was intented to control the weather, I can see why you'd think it hasn't had a lot of positive results. I'd also ask you to at least spend five seconds on Google before posting drivel.
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You do realize that the internet is monitored and governments wont let certain things loose on the net, so google isn't always the answer.

And to say if you think the government tells us everything, you are delusional then.
 
Ikarus said:
I would actually like for Correa Neto to tell us if this works on all unstable grounds (esp. on oceanic plates, which carry a lot of water), and on what kind of scale you would need to inject water to create a sudden huge earthquake.
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The problem is that for each case (say, each fault zone) there are a number of variables which most likely will be diferent from each other. Actually for a given fault zone- assuming it works- the parameters would change according to depth (rocks behave in diferent ways depending on the pressure and temperature), the types of rocks crossed by the fault zone, the geometry of the fault zone and the stress field which causes the movement. As a wild guess, I would suppose one would need at least the same order of magnitude of the volume of water injected at some fault zones to generate geothermal power- and I would not bet it would work.

Note that the idea is to "lubricate" it, making the fault zone move, slowly and gently releasing stress which would build up and eventually be suddenly liberated, generating shock waves. Now, please bear in mind that if the fault zone moves here, stress wille be accumulated over there, where it is locked. So, there's the danger of avoiding a quake here, but setting up the right conditions for a worst one over there. Not to mention that a miscalculation may make the fault zone move way too fast here, triggering a quake.

Its not like in Lex Luthor's real state plans, actually...

Now, on a more serious(?) note, an earthquake is nothing more than the propagation of shock waves through our planet. Mankind started to produce artificial earthquakes as soon as the first homind felt from a tree. And nowadays we make lots of them. Nuclear explosions, bombs, mine blasts, seismic charges, heavy trucks...
 
Finally a good post!! Thank you.

Ikarus said:
I would actually like for Correa Neto to tell us if this works on all unstable grounds (esp. on oceanic plates, which carry a lot of water), and on what kind of scale you would need to inject water to create a sudden huge earthquake.
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Very good question, im not an expert on it and dont intend to be, but i wouldn't mind finding out the answer to that as well.


Ikarus said:
That is indeed remarkable. How can it go from only 6 severe earthquakes in 2001, to 32 in 2008? But the explanation makes it all so much less sensational: The collection of earthquakes was started 22 May 2008 (Wikipedia "Project Earthquake" page revision history) That is 10 days after the disastrous Sichuan Earthquake, by the way. Here are all earthquakes for 2003: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eqarchives/significant/sig_2003.php

See, that's a whole lot more earthquakes (well over 40). But the people on wikipedia only seem to want to include the entries that have fatalities listed. To gather those numbers (from local newspapers probably), several years after the event, for all the earthquakes, I imagine is a bitch.

I randomly picked 2003.. But here's 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009.
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Yea as i figured (Wiki really only lists 6+ magnitude). At a quick glance (awesome info btw) it still looks like they still grow in numbers over the years.

Ikarus said:
If you read the image in the OP of yours, then you will see that injecting water helps to destabilize unstable ground. So it seems to me that it works only to turn large ground collapse into smaller ground collapses, which do not shake the earth so much. I'm not sure the plates are a necessary component.

Again, you need to actually inject massive amounts of water directly into the unstable ground. A strength 2 earthquake is 10 times more powerful then a strength 1. A strength 3 earthquake is 10 times more powerful then a strength 2. Etcetera. To put a significant earthquake in motion, you would need to lubricate, really fast, a significant enough proportion of the ground, so it all collapses in one go. I'd estimate you would need huge, gigantic drills to push enough water into the ground to start a big enough earthquake. We're probably talking about a multitude of drilling platform sized installations, with the world's biggest drilling tubes. It is unlikely that this wasn't noticed. And it is also quite unlikely that someone would like to have their huge drill equipment right at the epicentre of an earthquake. Really difficult with insurance and stuff... We're a pretty clever species over all, Rorylee, but we're not THAT good. Or stupid.
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Correct but im also going on 18 years of studying and tests involved. Surely and i suppose its a big assumption but been a human and as smart as we are, they would have got a lot further in 18 years. Specially if the Romans used the same concept. But this is the reason why i thought of HAARP also, if indeed they had to use giant drills or found another way to go about it by now.

Ikarus said:
Now we can easily address your 3 reasons and any others you may come up with:
1: "for the good". So, this is being done. Small scale injections to produce small scale earthquakes and stabilize the ground.
2: "for war and threats." We're talking about these impossible humongous installations now, that could hypothetically create huge earthquakes and that need to inject water into the desired zone. I don't see them smuggling these things into hostile area or even Haiti.
3: "population displacement". If you have such funds available to create a whole damn earthquake, you can pay these people to go away, pay the government to ordain them away, or make even better beaches right into the sea.
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1: Hopefully, however we both know most things by humans are used for good and bad, specially when a government is behind it.
2: Answered above
3: The funds wouldn't be tied to just 1 thing. They would tied into it all over the place. Money for land, money for clean up, money for keeping it afloat, money for war as well as money for developing and supporting all if not more. It would be quite an investment and disguised as a natural disaster with no hint of it been connected to you. A way to push them out by killing them or a reason to take a deal with no home, no work, nothing left.

Ikarus said:
Now, this is all neat and you may or may not believe me. It is not my intention to change your mind on the topic. What I did is I used some skepticism and looked for alternative explanations to ludicrous theories. And I found one that doesn't include crazy alternations to the world's structure and neatly fits within all other theories that I have about this world. I don't do that because I like my world view so much: I'd much rather believe that we humans are all powerful, maybe, capable of moving the tectonic plates of our planet. If we can do that, what else can we do? We could move South America to Africa!!
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Or start a civilization on the moon and fly to mars, maybe even find life and manage to communicate with it!! :D
 
rorylee said:
You do realize that the internet is monitored and governments wont let certain things loose on the net, so google isn't always the answer.

And to say if you think the government tells us everything, you are delusional then.
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The only rational solution is to discount any information from any source.
 
Marduk said:
HAARP has open days where the public can tour the facility, its also not even a secret (how did you hear about it) and publishes everything it does in peer reviewed scientific literature, this is not how top secret government projects operate.


Haarp is not a government project


Rory I posted a link, as you haven't read it, I suggest anyone ignores your ravings until you do.

because without the facts or any evidence for your claim, its just sounding like the normal delusional rhetoric that we've come to expect from schizophrenics who refuse to take their meds

your psychic powers clearly aren't giving you any factual information on this subject, did you turn then off today ?
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I warned you about saying false information about me.. last warning if i see it again i will be talking to a lawyer about defamation.

Where do they get their funding then?
 
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