Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

[Vixen]

In what way are you being manipulated? I don't think you are.

What are you being manipulated into?






Not entirely sure that's true or relevant.

Got anything to say about any of her points at all? Or just going to rage against the perceived manipulation while large parts of the world are made literally uninhabitable?


Are you seriously going to let a perceived slight to your ego overpower any critical thinking skills you have?


Oh, and, if we're talking manipulation, why do you think it used to be "Global Warming", and it's become "Climate change"?

It is horrendous her parents have piled all these labels on her 'autistic' etc.etc., as though having a moral conscience means you are 'high functioning aspergers' or whatever.

Whatever she is, she is perfectly normal and not special as claimed by her parents just because they have had her labelled her as some kind of freak.

Pushy parents: ugh, gimme a break.

 

[theprestige]

The thing you are wilfully ignoring is that people are listening to her. Why is this a bad thing? Are you a climate change denier?

I'll answer your questions if you answer mine.

 

[lionking]

I'll answer your questions if you answer mine.

You haven’t asked me any questions. I only recently joined this thread. Please keep up.

 

[a_unique_person]

Don't listen to kids. Let the adults take charge.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08...ta-angers-brazil-president-bolsonaro/11380976


The head of Brazil's National Institute for Space Research (INPE) has been sacked amid criticism by President Jair Bolsonaro about the agency's reports on deforestation in the Amazon.

After meeting with the country's Minister of Science and Technology, Ricardo Galvao said his mandate would be terminated before the end of his term next year due to an "unsustainable" situation.
Minister Marcos Pontes later confirmed Mr Galvao's departure on Twitter and thanked him for his dedication.
Since taking office in January, the administration of Mr Bolsonaro — a climate change sceptic — has consistently clashed with environmentalists and others over possibly opening up the Amazon rainforest to development and agribusiness.

 

[Darat]

It is horrendous her parents have piled all these labels on her 'autistic' etc.etc., as though having a moral conscience means you are 'high functioning aspergers' or whatever.



Whatever she is, she is perfectly normal and not special as claimed by her parents just because they have had her labelled her as some kind of freak.



Pushy parents: ugh, gimme a break.

That's nice to know.

Now about climate change problems?

 

[3point14]

Is she actually saying anything that you yourself haven't already said? Anything new that hasn't been discussed here already?

No. Why does that matter?

Is now a different point to your 'I don't listen to children regardless of what they're saying' or is this somehow linked?

 

[3point14]

It is horrendous her parents have piled all these labels on her 'autistic' etc.etc., as though having a moral conscience means you are 'high functioning aspergers' or whatever.

Whatever she is, she is perfectly normal and not special as claimed by her parents just because they have had her labelled her as some kind of freak.

Pushy parents: ugh, gimme a break.

So, no actual issues with what she's saying, you're just going to keep banging on with the ad homs?

 

[theprestige]

You haven’t asked me any questions. I only recently joined this thread. Please keep up.

The post you quoted had two questions in it. You ignored them, and posted two questions of your own. I'll answer your questions if you answer mine.

 

[3point14]

Maybe we should wait a decade or two, to see what kind of person she becomes, before we pin our hopes on her demagoguery.

Demagoguery?

I didn't know you denied the science. That's disappointing.

 

[theprestige]

No. Why does that matter?

If it's already been discussed, and none of it is new, then why do we need to discuss it again, just because it's being repeated by a child celebrity?

 

[3point14]

If it's already been discussed, and none of it is new, then why do we need to discuss it again, just because it's being repeated by a child celebrity?

For the same reason you'll probably see more tha one coke advert today

for the same reason most political speeches make the same point over and over again.

For the same reason you repeat any important point over and over again.

Repeating the message and finding a spokesperson that people will listen to is a time honoured method of getting one's point across. Everyone does it, from your butcher to your president.


This is a weak, weak objection from you.


I still can't believe you deny the science. That's troubling.

 

[Childlike Empress]

That's nice to know.

Now about climate change problems?

Stop derailing. This thread is about Greta Thunberg.

 

[3point14]

I find it utterly mental that so many people who inhabit a place that's supposed to be dedicated to critical thinking are more than happy to indulge in ad hominem reasoning in this instance.

It can't be denied that the OP describes a textbook ad hominem attack. It cant be denied that some posters have not only bought that, hook, line, sinker and copy of the angling times, but they have also doubled down on why we should not listen to this young lady, at every turn blaming her age and status and at no point even mentioning her arguments.

Those that do so should be ashamed of themselves to post such drivel here of all places.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Children should be seen and not heard.

 

[Robin]

It is horrendous her parents have piled all these labels on her 'autistic' etc.etc., as though having a moral conscience means you are 'high functioning aspergers' or whatever.

Whatever she is, she is perfectly normal and not special as claimed by her parents just because they have had her labelled her as some kind of freak.

Pushy parents: ugh, gimme a break.

You think a diagnosis of autism is labelling someone as a freak?

Don't forget that it was the right-wing attack dogs who started talking about the "dead look in her eyes" and her "strange monotone".

It was then pointed out that she was on the Autism spectrum (and to boot she was speaking in a second language).

There are many of us on the spectrum and we are not freaks for having that diagnosis. But, yes, sometimes we have what can seem an odd look in our eyes and some of us have a tone of voice that can seem strange.

 

[Robin]

Is she actually saying anything that you yourself haven't already said? Anything new that hasn't been discussed here already?

What she is saying is that no enough people, especially people in power, are taking the threat of climate change seriously and she is going to try to do what she can to make them take it seriously.

Unless you think that the issue is being taken sufficiently seriously by those in power already and it is all in hand, then it seems that she has a perfect right to try this and people have good reason to support her.

 

[jimbob]

You think a diagnosis of autism is labelling someone as a freak?

Don't forget that it was the right-wing attack dogs who started talking about the "dead look in her eyes" and her "strange monotone".

It was then pointed out that she was on the Autism spectrum (and to boot she was speaking in a second language).

There are many of us on the spectrum and we are not freaks for having that diagnosis. But, yes, sometimes we have what can seem an odd look in our eyes and some of us have a tone of voice that can seem strange.

Remember that a lot of these same people calling Thunberg a freak, apparently take umbrage at any suggestion that Trump's got highly abnormal behaviour that suggests he needs a medical checkup.

 

[theprestige]

Demagoguery?



I didn't know you denied the science. That's disappointing.

Not disappointing. Evil.

 

[theprestige]

For the same reason you'll probably see more tha one coke advert today



for the same reason most political speeches make the same point over and over again.



For the same reason you repeat any important point over and over again.



Repeating the message and finding a spokesperson that people will listen to is a time honoured method of getting one's point across. Everyone does it, from your butcher to your president.





This is a weak, weak objection from you.





I still can't believe you deny the science. That's troubling.

All of this is quite true and makes good sense.

But it doesn't explain why we need to re-discuss issues we've already discussed, every time a spokesperson for that issue comes up in conversation.

I don't drink a lot of soda. I certainly don't debate the merits of this policy every time I see another Coca-Cola advert.

 

[theprestige]

What she is saying is that no enough people, especially people in power, are taking the threat of climate change seriously and she is going to try to do what she can to make them take it seriously.



Unless you think that the issue is being taken sufficiently seriously by those in power already and it is all in hand, then it seems that she has a perfect right to try this and people have good reason to support her.

All very reasonable, but not really needing much discussion here.