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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

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Matthew Best said:
Someone called Andrew Bolt is in the news today for apparently attacking Greta Thunberg, the teenage climate change campaigner (who, I was surprised to note) has not been mentioned on this forum before - at least searching for "Thunberg" gives no results).

Unfortunately Bolt's column is behind a paywall, so I can't see exactly what he said, beyond his opening few paragraphs, which include:

"No teenager is more freakishly influential than Greta Thunberg, the deeply disturbed messiah of the global warming movement.

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I have never seen a girl so young and with so many mental disorders treated by so many adults as a guru."

So, Thunberg - a force for much-needed change, or a mentally ill "pig-tailed soothsayer". Or something else?
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Sour grapes from Bolt. He's probably got several certifications of full-blown clinical insanity and can't get invited to speak at the local Township Animal Husbandry Discussion Group and here this kid has a lower level functional autism and gets all the attention.

"What about us truly crazy people?", he cries out in vain.
 
Does anyone that's dismissing this young lady as irrelevant actually want to address what she's said rather than going with the "She's a child, I'm ignoring her" fallacy?
 
There is little reason to assume that children Greta's age are less informed than the average voter or politician about a subject they are passionate about, and many reasons to assume that they know far more.
People wouldn't dismiss her as quickly if they weren't worried about what she has to say.
 
theprestige said:
Whatever. I have a policy of not taking children seriously on any issue.
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"Mister! Mister! That building's unsafe!! The architect, the builder and the safety officer told me! Don't go in there!"


"Begone, child! I shall take no heed of children, regardless of their words!"

(goes on to die in collapsing building)
 
3point14 said:
Does anyone that's dismissing this young lady as irrelevant actually want to address what she's said rather than going with the "She's a child, I'm ignoring her" fallacy?
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Of course not. This is the Crazy Right Wing of modern times. As a noted old guard Republican pointed out 'round these parts, this is yet another issue that an actual conservative should be getting behind. Instead, in a warped sense of loyalty to the Great God of Dividends and Profits, they're fighting a stupid losing battle. The big loser, unfortunately, is the earth. Not this month's earth or any within the remainder of my lifetime, but certainly my kids' earth.

This should be the simplest of issues to make bipartisan. It isn't. Because, tribalism.....
 
Pterodactyl said:
Does she have some insight into climate change that contemporary climate scientists do not?
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No.

What's she's doing is educating and very successfully motivating multitudes of young people who have either just attained or soon will attain voting age to care about climate change as a political issue, which is why conservative climate deniers are more afraid of her than they are of contemporary climate scientists. She is a greater threat to the continued tenure of climate-denialist politicians than they.
 
Young people with outspoken opinions=women with outspoken opinions=******* with outspoken opinions. All can be safely ignored by our conservative friends here.
 
lionking said:
Young people with outspoken opinions=women with outspoken opinions=******* with outspoken opinions. All can be safely ignored by our conservative friends here.
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Well it makes a change from ignoring world class experts.
 
jimbob said:
Well it makes a change from ignoring world class experts.
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Well, we can't accuse conservatives of racism, sexism, elitism or ageism.... they won't have it, and here's proof. They are Equal Opportunity ignorers. Anyone who knows more than them on a topic and disagrees with their self-serving interpretations will be cheerfully ignored, regardless of race, creed, color, age, gender or national origin.
 
Is this thread about Bolt or Greta Thunberg?

The first I was aware of Greta was in a TV news report which presented her as a random schoolgirl from Sweden who had made her own way to a climate conference (Poland iirc?). She was filmed approaching the door with her placard and being let in, whereupon she sat on the floor of the lobby attracting a lot of attention.

Impressive!


WAIT!


A few months later I discovered that actually she has two pushy celebrity parents behind her.

So, not just a random schoolkid after all, but a carefully orchestrated campaign to make her famous like Mamma and Pappa.
 
Vixen said:
Is this thread about Bolt or Greta Thunberg?

The first I was aware of Greta was in a TV news report which presented her as a random schoolgirl from Sweden who had made her own way to a climate conference (Poland iirc?). She was filmed approaching the door with her placard and being let in, whereupon she sat on the floor of the lobby attracting a lot of attention.

Impressive!


WAIT!


A few months later I discovered that actually she has two pushy celebrity parents behind her.

So, not just a random schoolkid after all, but a carefully orchestrated campaign to make her famous like Mamma and Pappa.
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Got anything to say about what she actually says?

Or is this the character assassination thread where we ignore the issues she's raising and focus on the ad hominem attacks?
 
3point14 said:
Got anything to say about what she actually says?

Or is this the character assassination thread where we ignore the issues she's raising and focus on the ad hominem attacks?
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I don't like being manipulated by PR.

I was conned into believing she was some random school girl who did all of these things completely off her own bat.
 
She never hid her parentage; that's the fault of the media that you were consuming.
 
Vixen said:
I don't like being manipulated by PR.
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In what way are you being manipulated? I don't think you are.

What are you being manipulated into?



I was conned into believing she was some random school girl who did all of these things completely off her own bat.
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Not entirely sure that's true or relevant.

Got anything to say about any of her points at all? Or just going to rage against the perceived manipulation while large parts of the world are made literally uninhabitable?


Are you seriously going to let a perceived slight to your ego overpower any critical thinking skills you have?


Oh, and, if we're talking manipulation, why do you think it used to be "Global Warming", and it's become "Climate change"?
 
theprestige said:
Is she actually saying anything that you yourself haven't already said? Anything new that hasn't been discussed here already?
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The thing you are wilfully ignoring is that people are listening to her. Why is this a bad thing? Are you a climate change denier?
 
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