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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed?

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Despite her looks, she is an excellent public speaker.
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Um.

Lots of horrible people have been excellent (or at least effective) public speakers. There's a lot of people who believe such a one occupies the White House today.

Maybe we should wait a decade or two, to see what kind of person she becomes, before we pin our hopes on her demagoguery.
 
Childlike Empress said:
That's nice but worthless as your "thinking" is happening in a vacuum as you have obviously never heard about her and the campaign run with her as the prodigy.
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So just because I’ve never heard of her I’m not allowed to offer a firm opinion?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Been sleeping under a rock or something? :confused: Or is this some kind of tp sarcasm we're all supposed to magically understand?

You appear to have no clue what Greta has accomplished. Should I fill you in?

Inspired by 16-year-old Swedish activist Greta Thunberg's weekly protests, the global youth climate movement has swept the globe, with students organizing strikes on every continent.
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Great, not only can society take lessons from children who are too young to have fully developed reasoning skills but by striking the youngsters also learn less science.

Attacking reason and skepticism from multiple angles
 
Giz said:
Great, not only can society take lessons from children who are too young to have fully developed reasoning skills but by striking the youngsters also learn less science.

Attacking reason and skepticism from multiple angles
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OMG, I had no idea there was a right-wing trash-Greta meme going in their echo-chamber. I thought you guys were joking that's how stupid the argument being presented against Greta is.

BTW, I notice the entire argument is an ad hom fallacy, not addressing in the least her actual campaign or accomplishments.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
OMG, I had no idea there was a right-wing trash-Greta meme going in their echo-chamber. I thought you guys were joking that's how stupid the argument being presented against Greta is.

BTW, I notice the entire argument is an ad hom fallacy, not addressing in the least her actual campaign or accomplishments.
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You must be misreading. I have said nothing derogatory about Greta. However, I have noted that a society who defers complex policy decisions to 16 year olds should be scorned.
 
Giz said:
You must be misreading. I have said nothing derogatory about Greta. However, I have noted that a society who defers complex policy decisions to 16 year olds should be scorned.
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What complex policy decisions?

Greta Thunberg, if you ever listened to any of her speeches, has basically only one message: Politicians should listen to the scientists.

A message that would usually be applauded here.
 
Ryokan said:
What complex policy decisions?

Greta Thunberg, if you ever listened to any of her speeches, has basically only one message: Politicians should listen to the scientists.

A message that would usually be applauded here.
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Exactly. One of the leading climate change deniers in Australia is leading criticism of her. Are critics of her in this thread also deniers????
 
Giz said:
You must be misreading. I have said nothing derogatory about Greta. However, I have noted that a society who defers complex policy decisions to 16 year olds should be scorned.
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Um ... who is deferring complex policy decisions to a 16-year-old?

She probably knows more about the science than the American president does, which, granted, is a pretty low bar. And, today's kiddos are going to live with climate change longer than I will. They are perfectly entitled to their opinions, and their activism.

I'm reminded of 18-year-olds in the Vietnam era. Old enough to die and/or kill for their country; too young to vote. Fortunately the whole country realized the absurdity, partly due to youth activism.
 
Giz said:
You must be misreading. I have said nothing derogatory about Greta. However, I have noted that a society who defers complex policy decisions to 16 year olds should be scorned.
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You didn't say anything derogatory, you simply dismissed her because she was 16? :rolleyes:

I think you should review what the ad hom fallacy is.
 
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lionking said:
Exactly. One of the leading climate change deniers in Australia is leading criticism of her. Are critics of her in this thread also deniers????
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I think it's just a reflex for many so-called "conservatives." Especially, though not exclusively, in the U.S.
 
Minoosh said:
Um ... who is deferring complex policy decisions to a 16-year-old?

She probably knows more about the science than the American president does, which, granted, is a pretty low bar. And, today's kiddos are going to live with climate change longer than I will. They are perfectly entitled to their opinions, and their activism.

I'm reminded of 18-year-olds in the Vietnam era. Old enough to die and/or kill for their country; too young to vote. Fortunately the whole country realized the absurdity, partly due to youth activism.
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Exactly. My youngest daughter is a fairly radical green. I’m not because I think a lot of green economic policies would be disastrous. But if I were her age and younger I would be striking from school, marching through the streets and having a poster of Greta on my wall.

Kids will have the duty to clean up the mess of older generations. I hope they are up to it.
 
theprestige said:
Dude I've never heard of calls out other dude I've never heard of. Somehow this is important.

Whatever. I have a policy of not taking children seriously on any issue.

Unless this Thunberg person is some kind of world renowned precocious polymath, who cares what she thinks or says? For sure if it has any real value, we can find a mature and experienced adult with the expertise to make the same argument from actual authority.
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Greta gets media attention that more experienced and renowned scientists simply do not get. The important thing is to get people to pay attention to the issue and that's what she's doing.
 
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