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Cont: Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed - part 3

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The Atheist said:
Better to have tried and failed than sit around being a **** and sniping at her for trying.
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I don't think I've ever sniped at her for trying.

ETA: If I did, it was years ago, before I'd thought more about her situation. If you can find an example of such sniping by me, I'll happily admit that it was ignorant and uncharitable, and that my thinking has changed significantly since then.

She was a child, remember? She was educated by her parents about the IPCC report, and the certain destruction of her future if immediate drastic changes were not made. She was incited by her parents to take her fears and demands to the world leaders. She was encouraged by her parents in this project. She was enabled by the same leaders who had no intention of ever taking the drastic action her parents and others had led her to believe was so desperately needed. And she was celebrated by millions of citizens, represented by those leaders, who knew in their hearts they would never ever accept the kinds of drastic policy changes Greta believed were so necessary.

That's a lot of hypocritical crap to pile onto a child who didn't know any better, who'd been fear-mongered by her own parents into being a literal poster child for cargo-cult activism.

So no, I won't snipe at the child for trying. She did what she was raised to believe was right. But I'll snipe at her parents. And I'll snipe at the world leaders who exploited her for a bit of cynical virtue signaling. And I'll snipe at the millions who enthusiastically celebrated her cargo cult, even as they chose not to support the drastic action she was calling for. The drastic action she had been raised to believe was the only way to save her future.

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I'll snipe at the adult, now, though. I'll snipe at the adult for more pointless cargo-cult photo-op activism. I'll snipe at the adult for getting into a Warholian fifteen-minute social media slapfight with Andrew ******* Tate of all people. I'll snipe at the adult for trying to frame a Friday afternoon train ride as some sort of "strike".
 
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theprestige said:
I don't think I've ever sniped at her for trying.

ETA: If I did, it was years ago, before I'd thought more about her situation. If you can find an example of such sniping by me, I'll happily admit that it was ignorant and uncharitable, and that my thinking has changed significantly since then.

She was a child, remember? She was educated by her parents about the IPCC report, and the certain destruction of her future if immediate drastic changes were not made. She was incited by her parents to take her fears and demands to the world leaders. She was encouraged by her parents in this project. She was enabled by the same leaders who had no intention of ever taking the drastic action her parents and others had led her to believe was so desperately needed. And she was celebrated by millions of citizens, represented by those leaders, who knew in their hearts they would never ever accept the kinds of drastic policy changes Greta believed were so necessary.

That's a lot of hypocritical crap to pile onto a child who didn't know any better, who'd been fear-mongered by her own parents into being a literal poster child for cargo-cult activism.

So no, I won't snipe at the child for trying. She did what she was raised to believe was right. But I'll snipe at her parents. And I'll snipe at the world leaders who exploited her for a bit of cynical virtue signaling. And I'll snipe at the millions who enthusiastically celebrated her cargo cult, even as they chose not to support the drastic action she was calling for. The drastic action she had been raised to believe was the only way to save her future.

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I'll snipe at the adult, now, though. I'll snipe at the adult for more pointless cargo-cult photo-op activism. I'll snipe at the adult for getting into a Warholian fifteen-minute social media slapfight with Andrew ******* Tate of all people. I'll snipe at the adult for trying to frame a Friday afternoon train ride as some sort of "strike".
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Do you have a source for the part in bold?
 
theprestige is factually wrong:

Wiki said:
Thunberg says she first heard about climate change in 2011, when she was eight years old, and could not understand why so little was being done about it.[25][19] The situation made her depressed and as a result, at the age of 11, she stopped talking and eating much and lost ten kilograms (22 lb) in two months.[26] Eventually, she was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD), and selective mutism.[25][19] In one of her first speeches demanding climate action, Thunberg described the selective mutism aspect of her condition as meaning she "only speaks when necessary".[25]

Thunberg struggled with depression for almost four years before she began her school strike campaign.[27] When she started protesting, her parents did not support her activism. Her father said he does not like her missing school but said: "[We] respect that she wants to make a stand..."
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Same source...
For about two years, Thunberg challenged her parents to lower the family's carbon footprint and overall impact on the environment by becoming vegan, upcycling, and giving up flying.[18][32][33] She has said she tried showing them graphs and data, but when that did not work, she warned her family that they were stealing her future.[34]
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theprestige said:
I'm not going to go back and dig up the hagiographies that detailed her parents part in her upbringing and childhood values. If you want to believe it came to her in a dream for something, I won't argue.
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It would have been quicker to say, "No."
 
theprestige said:
I don't think I've ever sniped at her for trying.
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Yeah, nah...

Just from the last page:

theprestige said:
Greta's brave campaign centered around expecting someone else to do it.
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theprestige said:
Ah, the absolute bravery of missing class because you're stuck on a train.
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theprestige said:
I dunno. Going on a boat ride seems to be a Greta thing. Organizing sudden and drastic change does not.
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Looks suspiciously like sniping to me.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Pretty sure she's the leader of the strike, and as leader, she needs to be where she is.
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What strike? Why does school strike for climate need a leader?

What strike leader needs to be on a train during the strike? Is the strike happening on the train? If she's supposed to be leading a strike somewhere else, shouldn't she have planned her trip better, so as to arrive in time to lead the strike?
 
The Atheist said:
Yeah, nah...

Just from the last page:







Looks suspiciously like sniping to me.
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None of those are sniping at her for trying to move world leaders in support of her childhood cause.

One of them is sniping at the adult for the lame "strike from a train" thing.

One of them is a factual description of her actual childhood campaign, and a snipe at RR's position that we shouldn't expect other people to solve climate change.

The boat ride comment... Well, I guess I won't argue, if you're convinced it's sniping at child Greta. That's not how I intended it, though. It's more a snipe at Greta's fan club, and the absurdity of the whole boat ride concept. Which isn't really child Greta's fault. Remember that one lady who booked a transatlantic flight for the privilege of going on a boat ride with Greta? It's mainly a snipe at her, and people like her, who have somehow made a cult of Greta without actually giving a **** about her cause.
 
She was on her way to/from the Ukraine in attempts to "move world leaders in support of her childhood cause".

You criticise those who take transatlantic flights, and yet you criticise Greta Thunberg for taking a train.
 
Orphia Nay said:
She was on her way to/from the Ukraine in attempts to "move world leaders in support of her childhood cause".

You criticise those who take transatlantic flights, and yet you criticise Greta Thunberg for taking a train.
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I criticize Greta for presenting a Friday afternoon train ride as some kind of "strike". Against what? She's not striking against anything that day.

I criticize the one lady who took a transatlantic flight for being a colossal hypocrite, ignoramus, and proud acolyte of the Cargo Cult of Saint Greta.
 
When union leader Mick Lynch appears on a picket line, he's not on strike himself, he's actually doing the job he's paid to do. But for some reason, nobody points this out to him: "Hey, Mick Lynch - why aren't you on strike, eh? Eh?" Probably because he's not a girl.
 
Matthew Best said:
When union leader Mick Lynch appears on a picket line, he's not on strike himself, he's actually doing the job he's paid to do. But for some reason, nobody points this out to him: "Hey, Mick Lynch - why aren't you on strike, eh? Eh?" Probably because he's not a girl.
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Mike Lynch actually appears on the picket line. In his role as union leader, he shows up on the scene when his members are picketing. Presumably while he's there he does things to encourage them and promote their cause with his presence. He doesn't post on social media about how he's traveling by rail so he'll be striking on a train that day. (And if it turns out he does, I'll happily snipe at him for such jackassery.)

Greta actually participated in a protest action a few months ago. Nobody here sniped at her for that.* If she'd tweeted that she was participating in that protest from a rail car hundreds of miles away, that would have been silly, and deserved to be sniped at.

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*Though there was some sniping about the weirdly artificial-looking photos of her posing with the local gendarmes when they came to break up the protest.
 
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