Good Pick for EPA

[Armitage72]

Back when the economy first tanked in 2008, I saw people online claim that the way to fix it was to temporarily (Ha!) suspend all environmental regulations in the country. This would allow American companies to be profitable and competitive again, and the economy would quickly recover.

At the time, I was working in pesticide regulation at the state level, and I imagined what would happen if just EPA pesticide regulations were suspended.

Earth-Safe Weed Killer
Non-toxic
Safe as water

No ingredients listed on the label. No precautionary language. No first aid instructions. Minimal use directions. The artwork on the label shows a smiling child pouring the product on a weed.

The contents of the bottle: Agent Orange.


But, but, the states could regulate that. Unfortunately, most state pesticide regulations deal with the products themselves by just saying "products must comply with EPA regulations and be registered with the EPA."

 

[The Shrike]

The worst/most shortsighted thing I see in the fossil fuel stranglehold on our country is that we could be leading the world in carbon-neutral energy innovation that we could export to the world. Instead, we go out of our way to stymie real and necessary innovation in wind and solar that intentionally causes us to lag behind advances in other nations.

While we're whining that we're at a competitive disadvantage to the Chinese in our air quality regulations, the Chinese have figured out that they should increase their air quality regulations to reduce the 4,400 people who die there every day from poor air quality.

 

[logger]

How about all those college cowards whining about exposure to ideas contrary to their conservative upbringings? All that science and stuff. Safe spaces ****. These cowards and their parents want them everywhere. Schools, textbooks, gummit . . . you really should get out more.

Your side OWNS the college safe space phenomenon. Show a little honesty and admit it.

 

[logger]

Actually the term "safe space" was invented by people too lazy to have an actual discussion.

Agreed.

And the left OWNS laziness?

 

[logger]

Its not just about numbers, its about quality and habitat. Do you realize that?

God forbid we stop you from cutting down old growth forests and replacing them with plantations.

They came up with the numbers, they allow clear cutting because in certain situations it is beneficial. Plantations are down south, there isn't a plantation market where your precious old growth forests are.

 

[logger]

Funny how all the regulations the right wing complains about are things like safe storage and disposal, rules against habitat destruction, and the like, but not ever regulatory capture.

I'm not be sardonic. It's very puzzling to me that the over-zealous regulations that I regularly complain about are never brought up by the right-wing, even though rationally competing businesses should be up in arms over regulatory capture. Instead it's about how they want to dump their waste where ever and dig up public lands, or destroy their own property until someone else pays for their externalized costs.

Ive never seen you complain about over zealous regulations, list some.

 

[logger]

And yet it is pretty much only the right only which complain and try to smuggle in prayer time in school, or ask for special snowflake treatment of "evolution is only a theory"., or try to have their own little christian advantage, 10 commandment monument and so forth.

Ahh in case you didn't notice, those Christians aren't setting up safe spaces, they're fighting for what they want. Your side OWNS safe spaces, admit it!

 

[logger]

How about their 'I don't want to have to see them kissing' wah wah bit?

You got me there, it is a bit odd seeing two queers kiss.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Ahh in case you didn't notice, those Christians aren't setting up safe spaces, they're fighting for what they want.

They want safe spaces where their ideas are not challenged. Is this really that confusing to you?

 

[logger]

The worst/most shortsighted thing I see in the fossil fuel stranglehold on our country is that we could be leading the world in carbon-neutral energy innovation that we could export to the world. Instead, we go out of our way to stymie real and necessary innovation in wind and solar that intentionally causes us to lag behind advances in other nations.

While we're whining that we're at a competitive disadvantage to the Chinese in our air quality regulations, the Chinese have figured out that they should increase their air quality regulations to reduce the 4,400 people uwho die there every day from poor air quality.

Because most can't afford what rich leftist can.

 

[logger]

They want safe spaces where their ideas are not challenged. Is this really that confusing to you?

Is it confusing to you and a bit embarrassing that your side has invented this term, for college folks even? Actual places that are set up for them. Don't try and link it to people who want their ideas to be implemented. That would be, dare I say it, dishonest.

 

[Dr. Keith]

Is it confusing to you and a bit embarrassing that your side has invented this term, for college folks even? Actual places that are set up for them. Don't try and link it to people who want their ideas to be implemented. That would be, dare I say it, dishonest.

When a group asks that their feelings and beliefs be left unchallenged that is the definition of asking for a safe space, no matter their ideology.

Personally, I would be more embarrassed by hypocrisy than empathy.

 

[3point14]

So, when can we expect the toxic sludge to extend far enough from the eastern seaboard to start messing up our coastline?

 

[Resume]

Your side OWNS the college safe space phenomenon. Show a little honesty and admit it.

First off, you've no idea as to "my side." Second, the right has been bitchin' about protection from scary ideas for just about ever.
Wah, protect me from evolution.
Wah, protect me from teh gayz.
Wah, protect me from any evidence-based information that challenges my intellect or pocketbook.
Wah, teh athiests.
Wah, I can't just dump chemicals into any available watershed.
Wah, I have to clean up my mine waste.
Wah, I can't bring my gun everywhere.
Wah, teh muslims.
Wah, teh meskins.
Wah, protect me from everything I don't understand or like.

How's that for honesty?

 

[Aepervius]

Ahh in case you didn't notice, those Christians aren't setting up safe spaces, they're fighting for what they want. Your side OWNS safe spaces, admit it!

I am not from the US, I am in a country where there is a REAL left.

And yes what I mentioned is the bloody stupid attempt to create safe space where evolution don't pollute the mind of their childs. You may protest it as much as you want, but it is quite clear that christian are not "fighting for what they want" they are often fighting to be protected from information they do not like. In other word, they want a safe space free from that info.

When a group asks that their feelings and beliefs be left unchallenged that is the definition of asking for a safe space, no matter their ideology.

Personally, I would be more embarrassed by hypocrisy than empathy.

Exactely. But i don#t expect logged to admit to that.

 

[Resume]

You got me there, it is a bit odd seeing two queers kiss.

Except when it's girl/girl, right?

 

[Resume]

Ahh in case you didn't notice, those Christians aren't setting up safe spaces, they're fighting for what they want. Your side OWNS safe spaces, admit it!

I noticed they are cowards, desperately trying to save themselves from awkward information that challenges, embarrasses, and even negates their superstitions. Bans on teaching evolution, bans on interracial marriage and gay marriage, attempts to censor anything and everything that doesn't agree with their world-view.

 

[Modified]

They want safe spaces where their ideas are not challenged. Is this really that confusing to you?

More than that, they want every public space to be such a safe space.

 

[Dr. Keith]

More than that, they want every public space to be such a safe space.

True, if it were limited to college campuses it would be far more tolerable.

 

[Ziggurat]

It used to be you didn't even have to travel that far. I lived in LA in the late 80s, for a year. There were several reasons for me not staying in LA, but a really big one is that I didn't like the air, and I assumed it would only get worse with time.

Fortunately, it hasn't. All those burdensome regulations actually worked.

Now I guess we'll get to see what happens to those burdensome regulations with Trump at the helm.

A history lesson is in order: California began to regulate emissions in order to combat this problem before the EPA even existed, and its regulations are more stringent than the EPA's. Many other states also adopt the stricter California standards. And this is not unique: state-level environmental regulations exist all over the place, and they often began before federal efforts. Doing away with the EPA would not do away with all environmental regulations.