God's purpose

ynot said:
Navigator - “Space, the final frontier. This is the purpose of the human race. Its survival mission: to create machines to give better access to the galaxy in general and promote the nurturing of consciousness therein, to superiorly go where no inferior species has gone before.”

Perhaps Navigator is a closet Trekkie?
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Who knows that space is the final frontier anyway. At some time in the future we may find other frontiers that we can't even imagine now.
 
Space, the final frontier.

These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its continuing mission: to explore new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.

(Did that from memory lol)

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Eta I'm not a closet Trekkie. I'm outed.
 
Pixel42 said:
It always amused me that for TNG they corrected
the sexism but didn't correct the grammar.
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In the 19th century, some grammatical authorities sought to introduce a prescriptive rule against it. The construction is still the subject of disagreement, though modern English usage guides have dropped the objection to the split infinitive.
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So I'll boldly split what many have split before.
 
ynot said:
But perhaps you're a closet Yoda? :D
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Lol I was trying to not split infinitives. English sounds funny when you dont.

[Etymologist]Fact is, the grammar "rules" we have crammed in our heads in school don't actually apply to english. Most of them come from Romantics who were in love with the romance languages, which ours isn't. Romance for a language means it is descended from Latin (Roman...). English, although it got a big influx of Latin, is a German dialect with a bunch of Norman French thrown in.

Those Latin rules hold for Latin. You literally can't split a Latin infinitive because it's one word. They had suffixes that told you the case. But English isn't like that, and we don't need to worry about it.

In other words, those rules were placed into english to try to make us cooler. Doesn't work. Split away!
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Navigator said:
It is about knowledge in relation to our existence and if humans are going to stay for the long haul then space is the next thing to reach for. It isn't about 'finally getting it right' in relation to purpose Pup, it is about observing the way things actually are. All those things you mentioned are part of the evolving purpose...

If human beings are here for the long haul, then space is the obvious move...and there is no denying that in relation to creating machines, we are very good at doing so and improving on...
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Nope. Nothing about any 'final front ear' in the above. But lets be working with what we do have. Space - obviously. :)
 
RogueKitten said:
Any proof? Because i disagree. As do biologists.
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Well biologists must only focus on the form rather than how differently the form works for humans than for all the other apes and biologist mustn't have noticed that all other family related animals are all too similar to one another, except for the humans re the apes.

Why don't you just admit that I have a point and presented a good argument against your own re the canines and felines etc.

If the dog was in the same position to a wolf as a human is to an ape, then it would have developed into something resembling the wolf, only different - very different and far more able than the wolf. But the dog did not. The dog is basically a domesticated wolf. Which ape alone in the ape world has the ability to do the domesticing, than the human?

The evidence is in the things humans have created from the 'dust of the earth' and for that you only need take a quick look around to see the difference between human ability and creativity and that of all other apes.

The difference is vast. The evidence is there.
 
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Navigator said:
Well biologists must only focus on the form rather than how differently the form works for humans than for all the other apes and biologist mustn't have noticed that all other family related animals are all too similar to one another, except for the humans re the apes.

Why don't you just admit that I have a point and presented a good argument against your own re the canines and felines etc.

If the dog was in the same position to a wolf as a human is to an ape, then it would have developed into something resembling the wolf, only different - very different and far more able than the wolf. But the dog did not. The dog is basically a domesticated wolf. Which ape alone in the ape world has the ability to do the domesticing, than the human?

The evidence is in the things humans have created from the 'dust of the earth' and for that you only need take a quick look around to see the difference between human ability and creativity and that of all other apes.

The difference is vast. The evidence is there.
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Are you saying that the advanced intelligence and creativity of humans over other species is to do with some other cause than advanced evolution? If so, please explain what the “other cause” is.
 
Navigator said:
If the dog was in the same position to a wolf as a human is to an ape, then it would have developed into something resembling the wolf, only different - very different and far more able than the wolf. But the dog did not. The dog is basically a domesticated wolf.
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But the dog did.

Dogs are wolves who managed to get humans to care for them with almost the love that humans exhibit for their own children, providing food, shelter and medical care, as well as honorary membership in the human pack. If wolves could think and talk about the situation, that would be absolutely amazing to them. "If a human sees me, I'm lucky not to get shot. They actual give you food? You do tricks and they give you treats? And let you in out of the rain? But I could never learn what you need to know. Walking on a leash, herding sheep, fetching dead ducks... they might as well expect me to fly to the moon."

Looking at it from the viewpoint of humans, dogs and wolves seem to have achieved about the same boring doggish level of mundaneness. Looking at it from the wolves' point of view, the dogs have accomplished miracles.

Dogs don't have the intelligence of humans, but they don't need it to achieve the same benefits. They've found another way.
 
ynot said:
Are you saying that the advanced intelligence and creativity of humans over other species is to do with some other cause than advanced evolution? If so, please explain what the “other cause” is.
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I'm curious about that as well. And to clarify, in my previous post, I meant that dogs only evolved to be domesticated through a combination of natural and artificial selection. They weren't really setting out with a master plan. That was just for entertainment. Cats, on the other hand... I don't know what cats are really up to with us, especially after we discovered that Toxoplasma gondii they're using. Cats are sneaky. :rolleyes:
 
RogueKitten said:
Space, the final frontier.

These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its continuing mission: to explore new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.

(Did that from memory lol)

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Eta I'm not a closet Trekkie. I'm outed.
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The Illuminati!
 
Navigator said:
The difference is vast. The evidence is there.
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Knowledge is the key. The single advantage that led to runaway differences with other animals struggling to survive was the ability to store and communicate knowledge. What was first needed was a complex symbolic system, language.

That's a genetic capability. Comes from nature, just as the abilities of any creature do. No mystery.

The results only seem astounding because you live in the 21st century, a long time after writing systems made knowledge storage and transmission vastly more reliable and pervasive, enabling civilizations. Take that away, and you have the basic hunter-gatherers whose global population remained low. In the beginning, and now, we are just another species.
 
Navigator said:
Well biologists must only focus on the form rather than how differently the form works for humans than for all the other apes and biologist mustn't have noticed that all other family related animals are all too similar to one another, except for the humans re the apes.

Why don't you just admit that I have a point and presented a good argument against your own re the canines and felines etc.
If the dog was in the same position to a wolf as a human is to an ape, then it would have developed into something resembling the wolf, only different - very different and far more able than the wolf. But the dog did not. The dog is basically a domesticated wolf. Which ape alone in the ape world has the ability to do the domesticing, than the human?

The evidence is in the things humans have created from the 'dust of the earth' and for that you only need take a quick look around to see the difference between human ability and creativity and that of all other apes.

The difference is vast. The evidence is there.
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I would if you did.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
Knowledge is the key. The single advantage that led to runaway differences with other animals struggling to survive was the ability to store and communicate knowledge. What was first needed was a complex symbolic system, language.

That's a genetic capability. Comes from nature, just as the abilities of any creature do. No mystery.

The results only seem astounding because you live in the 21st century, a long time after writing systems made knowledge storage and transmission vastly more reliable and pervasive, enabling civilizations. Take that away, and you have the basic hunter-gatherers whose global population remained low. In the beginning, and now, we are just another species.
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Yes that and having a mutant larynx and an opposing thumb. We have to keep an eye on monkeys and chimps, because they have an advantage, being able to grasp with their feet as well.
 
I think the only thing Navigator is concerned with is that humans are vastly superiour to all other species when it comes to intellect, and intellect trumps everything else. Don't think he's too interested in comparisons of physical attributes. Not sure if he believes our intellect evolved to be so superior, or he has some other explanation.

That's why I asked this . . .
ynot said:
Are you saying that the advanced intelligence and creativity of humans over other species is to do with some other cause than advanced evolution? If so, please explain what the “other cause” is.
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Wonder if he will return and provide an answer? . . .
 
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