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GMOs: This is World War III- It Just Isn't Labeled

papamundi said:
Love is then not part of your "Reality" since it conforms to none of the above definitions.

Dreams don't either.

Nor feelings of any kind, come to think of it.

Gee, I guess this view of Reality is empty indeed...

Have fun with it, though
Peter Valentino
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These things all fall into the realm of reproducible results. That you suggest otherwise is rather informative. Biological and psychological activities are not magical oobity boobity crap. And it's demonstrable all the things you list are dysfunctional affects of having your chakras out of line anyway.

Nice try at passive-aggressive emotional bullying, though. Are you like this in person too?
 
papamundi said:
I am certain that I now have a reputation as a firebrand meanie. In order to explain my behavior, let me just say that I have been shocked at the little support that I have received from the people on this forum. I also see that in my other "world" I have a significant number of people who do ascribe to my findings.

However, I do find that people are often unable to connect the dots that I see. I should say that they don't even see the dots in the first place, let alone have the ability to connect them.

People retort, "How can you draw these ridiculous conclusions?" To me, I am extremely surprised that other people are not able to look into things with my level of perspicacity. I am certain it is the result of a number of variables, not the least of which would be my parenting and the fact that I've been an artist my entire life.

But even beyond that, I would say that it's the result of the fact that I have turned off the television and have generally not watched it for well over a decade. Yes, I don't even have basic cable. I'm sure this admission will intensify people's thought that I am not living in "Reality."

I notice that what the people of this forum believe and defend is generally what is coming through their television sets. This is probably the greatest difference between us.

Reality will not be televised. You may have to look further...
Peter Valentino
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I took the rabbit ears off the TV around September 25th, 2001. Go fish.
 
papamundi said:
I am certain that I now have a reputation as a firebrand meanie.
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You might think so.

I think of you as a virulently anti-Catholic individual whose abilities at historical research are at a lower level then where you think they are.
Oh, and I think of you as a joke.

In order to explain my behavior, let me just say that I have been shocked at the little support that I have received from the people on this forum. I also see that in my other "world" I have a significant number of people who do ascribe to my findings.
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You've received little support because your conclusions are based on no evidence and when pressed for evidence you provide an anti Catholic screed, and a lot of assertions. Any one who ascribes to your findings has lower standards of evidence than we do, or my son's sixth grade class.

However, I do find that people are often unable to connect the dots that I see. I should say that they don't even see the dots in the first place, let alone have the ability to connect them.
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This would be because there are no dots to connect.

People retort, "How can you draw these ridiculous conclusions?" To me, I am extremely surprised that other people are not able to look into things with my level of perspicacity. I am certain it is the result of a number of variables, not the least of which would be my parenting and the fact that I've been an artist my entire life.
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Odd, I thought you were a historian...

But even beyond that, I would say that it's the result of the fact that I have turned off the television and have generally not watched it for well over a decade. Yes, I don't even have basic cable. I'm sure this admission will intensify people's thought that I am not living in "Reality."
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No, I'm pretty sure that your disconnect has nothing to do with not watching TV. Personally, I believe that you are not living in reality because you refuse to accept facts that are contrary to your preconceived notions.

I notice that what the people of this forum believe and defend is generally what is coming through their television sets. This is probably the greatest difference between us.



Reality will not be televised. You may have to look further...

Peter Valentino
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Perhaps in those history books I've been reading all these years.
 
papamundi said:
I am certain that I now have a reputation as a firebrand meanie.
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Not really you are more a weak kneed & queasy spewer of un-evidenced nonsense. Please note that you avoided a number of key questions, by running from those you clearly demonstrated your 'ideas' are not robust and cannot stand against criticism. All you can do to maintain your pretense of success is to avoid those questions and try to pretend they were not asked.
 
papamundi said:
Sir, I recommend broadening your perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgllSrj5TXs

Please see this simple video talking about the GMO situation in India and how they are making kids sick--killing defenseless human beings. Unfortunately, Monsanto is spreading its poison food to other countries where it is bringing death. This is global experimentation on the less fortunate.

It is very easy to claim that advances in health are ubiquitous. Better to be real about things and see that there are major problems in our nation's food supply and with the subsidies that skew our intake to unhealthy choices.

See this piece on ABC by the late great Peter Jennings. He doesn't even get into GMOs and he declares that there are programs by the US government that endanger our health and that of our children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZaCKBLTQrc&list=PLL2lIa1JdL_riyFHDN2CyNcZZyPk_5JjP

Ignorance of these realities may be blissful for some...but in the final analysis, perhaps caring for humanity is a stronger position to take.

GMOs must end before they destroy our organic crops, our bees and butterflies...and our children.

Thanks,
Peter Valentino
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My Dear Mr. Valentino:

Praps you might want to consider "broadening your perspective":

http://qz.com/107970/scientists-discover-whats-killing-the-bees-and-its-worse-than-you-thought/
http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=15572
http://www.globalresearch.ca/death-and-extinction-of-the-bees/5375684
http://www.globalresearch.ca/neonic...urce=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/are-pesticides-killing-off-honey-bees/
http://time.com/3821467/bees-honeybees-environment/
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-and-what-does-it-mean-for-us-20150818?page=9
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/14/us/honeybees-mysterious-die-off-appears-to-worsen.html?_r=0

Through it all, I remaion,

Helpfully yours, &ct.
 
papamundi said:
But even beyond that, I would say that it's the result of the fact that I have turned off the television and have generally not watched it for well over a decade. Yes, I don't even have basic cable. I'm sure this admission will intensify people's thought that I am not living in "Reality."

I notice that what the people of this forum believe and defend is generally what is coming through their television sets. This is probably the greatest difference between us.

Reality will not be televised. You may have to look further...
Peter Valentino
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papamundi said:
Sir, I recommend broadening your perspective.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgllSrj5TXs

Please see this simple video talking about the GMO situation in India and how they are making kids sick--killing defenseless human beings. Unfortunately, Monsanto is spreading its poison food to other countries where it is bringing death. This is global experimentation on the less fortunate.



See this piece on ABC by the late great Peter Jennings. He doesn't even get into GMOs and he declares that there are programs by the US government that endanger our health and that of our children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZaCKBLTQrc&list=PLL2lIa1JdL_riyFHDN2CyNcZZyPk_5JjP

Ignorance of these realities may be blissful for some...but in the final analysis, perhaps caring for humanity is a stronger position to take.

GMOs must end before they destroy our organic crops, our bees and butterflies...and our children.

Thanks,
Peter Valentino
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"I don't watch TV". Reality will not be televised". "To prove it, watch these YouTube videos, one of which is from ABC".
:rolleyes:
 
papamundi said:
Love is then not part of your "Reality" since it conforms to none of the above definitions.

Dreams don't either.

Nor feelings of any kind, come to think of it.

Gee, I guess this view of Reality is empty indeed...

Have fun with it, though
Peter Valentino
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Also, none of these things have Jack to do with the supposed affects of GMO foods, unless you think "dreams" and "feelings" are useful analytical tools. And given the "arguments" you have provided thus far, it seems to me that "feelings" form a significant portion of your analysis.
 
abaddon said:
And you, sir, should learn something. Everything you eat is a GMO. Those "organic" products you eat? All GMOs.
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It is 2016. Being overly pedantic by saying virtually all commercial foods are GMOs does not advance the discussion. We are discussing modifying organisms at a cellular level by adding genetic material from a completely different organism. Taking a gene from a roundworm and inserting it into pig DNA is fundamentally different from cross breeding two lines of pigs.

The topic is the safety and alleged dangers of consuming plants and animals produced in this particular manner (and consuming animals that were fed plants produced in this manner).

I personally don't think we can make any progress on this topic because Papmundi has a very particular definition of evidence and that definition is quite different from the definition shared by everyone else in this thread. Still there could be lurkers who want to learn more about the topic, so the thread can serve a useful purpose.
 
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Ladewig said:
It is 2016. Being overly pedantic by saying virtually all commercial foods are GMOs does not advance the discussion. We are discussing modifying organisms at a cellular level by adding genetic material from a completely different organism. Taking a gene from a roundworm and inserting it into pig DNA is fundamentally different from cross breeding two lines of pigs.

The topic is the safety and alleged dangers of consuming plants and animals produced in this particular manner (and consuming animals that were fed plants produced in this manner).
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The fundamental difference isn't apparent to me. If, for example, the pig is acting like some sort of filter when bred - only able to produce functioning pig - then the same mechanism is in play. I cannot usefully introduce new DNA which kills the pig. The animal which results from either manipulation (breeding or gene splicing) has to survive the process. Its survival does inform me about the dangers which other mammals will face (me as a particular mammal of importance). If the chimera produced isn't adversely affected by the altered genome, why would I expect to be?

Perhaps the case is stronger using plants than organisms so much more like us.
 
I can see the points made by Marplots and Ladewig but lack the biology knowledge to differentiate between them and determine which is right can anyone else add to this discussion?

This might be of some value versus the nonsense Papamundi has been slinging about.
 
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