No-one here has denied that some areas have experienced unusually cold weather during winter in some recent years.
Nobody claimed that recently in this thread..
This was known by most posters here before you arrived in this thread, and the work of investigating the reasons why was already being followed with interest.
Perhaps, but that isn't what I brought up. Why are you bringing it up?
The fact that some areas are experiencing spells of unusually cold weather during winter does not mean that winters are getting colder overall, even in those areas, let alone globally.
Nobody said any of that. If you must argue, at least copy and paste what was said, then respond. Making up something and then arguing with what you said, that isn't honest.
The latter was what you originally appeared to be claiming, but even the former is a debatable claim.
Nonsense. Once again, don't just make up nonsense, and try and attribute it to somebody else. Dishonest. That which started this off is still right where it is. "Winters have been getting colder. If this had been predicted as part of global warming, we would be hearing about how cold it's been, and crying over global warming"
Because I was repeating what many articles, papers and reports had said, it isn't even my claim. This ws made clear by our first exchange, which nobody had any trouble understanding.
See? Now, after we all get over the shock, we can start complaining about global warming while we are buried in snow.
http://news.discovery.com/earth/cold-winter-snow-weather-global-warming-101222.htm
Clearly cold winters are the next horror that global warming will bring upon us. Warming causes cooling!
http://www.greenbang.com/global-warming-might-cause-colder-winters-more-snow_21263.html
See? So quit complaining that your roof collapsed from record snow, you can't get a flight or even drive anywhere, and start doing something about global warming. Because it's really starting to mess with the weather.
If it's the underlying warming that's causing the changes in weather patterns that are resulting in some areas experiencing more severe winters - and the evidence is pretty compelling that it is - then the solution to the problem of rooves collapsing from record snow and not being able to get a flight or even drive anywhere is to tackle the underlying warming, yes.
I'm sorry if that's too much for some people to wrap their heads round, but there are many aspects of reality that are counterintuitive.
Even with my annoying repetition of the facts, it is claimed it's hard to understand and seems like ranting or something, I'm no sure what the snipers actually were trying to say. But back to your most recent post.
The apparent contradiction of global warming causing localised cold spells has been seized on by many deniers as evidence it's all nonsense, and the sarcastic tone of your first posts on this thread certainly suggested that was your position.
That may be your opinion, but I never said any of that. I noted that winters are getting colder (trend), not that the entire world is. Some places the winters are still trending up, as we will see in the links that follow.
If that wasn't what you were intending to suggest, you need to clarify what your position really is.
I don't have to defend against something people make up in their heads. I was clear about what I wrote. That I seem sarcastic and annoyed at the cold, that doesn't change the facts in any way.
Since nobody here seems to know how to actually check the data, the entire thing has become quite a source of amusement. If somebody claimed it was 105 degrees F today in Buffalo New York, I wouldn't bother to even argue with them. But I very well might post a link to the weather station for Buffalo.
If you claim winters are warming, and faster than any other time, just show the data. That's scientific method.
