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r-j said:
It's more likely most people are sick and tired of the snow and cold, and with more to come this weekend, it's hard to be that concerned over the imagined disaster coming.
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Yuck, yuck... it' cold in Winter... Where's your Global Warming?... yuck, yuck

Truly original. I don't think anyone here ever heard that carefully crafted refutation of a scientific fact since Cameron destroyed Evolution with a banana.
 
Winters have been getting colder. If this had been predicted as part of global warming, we would be hearing about how cold it's been, and crying over global warming.

Just like the mild winter last year in the US meant global warming.

You don't hear anyone except the poor Australians weeping over the warmth right now.

But as soon as it warms up, then we will see some activity. Because when it's hot in the summer, that's when you know global warming is happening.
 
Winters have been getting colder. If this had been predicted as part of global warming, we would be hearing about how cold it's been, and crying over global warming.
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tell me again that winters have been getting colder.

Canada's getting hot: Adaptation is becoming more pressing
www.globe-net.com/.../canada's-getting-hot-adaptation-is-becoming-...Jan 30, 2013 – Canada is warming faster than any other country, and has seen average winter temperatures climb 3.2 degrees since the 1940's. Along with ...
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:boggled:

http://www.globe-net.com/articles/2...ing-hot-adaptation-is-becoming-more-pressing/

You are confusing weather patterns with climate. Blocking highs produce colder continental weather for short periods - its called the Arctic dipole and is due to warmer ocean in the Arctic.
It will always get cold in the Arctic since the earth is tilted - if the weather patterns stagnate instead of moving the deep cold out, it just gets chillier for that period of time.

It is meaningless in terms of AGW but is a consequence of the change in the Arctic due to AGW.

Try learning something about the way your one and only planet works. It's been explained in this thread numerous times but choosing to be ignorant of the science seems popular with some

Warm Arctic, Cold Continents
Changes in the Arctic Are Hitting Closer to Home
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http://www.noaa.gov/features/02_monitoring/warmarctic.html

We hear the same nonsense from the right wingding oil uber alle types in Alberta where the Arctic dipole has been freezing their asses off.
COTU syndrome. :rolleyes:
 
r-j said:
Winters have been getting colder. If this had been predicted as part of global warming, we would be hearing about how cold it's been, and crying over global warming.

Just like the mild winter last year in the US meant global warming.

You don't hear anyone except the poor Australians weeping over the warmth right now.

But as soon as it warms up, then we will see some activity. Because when it's hot in the summer, that's when you know global warming is happening.
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You forgot to add your usual touch suggesting you're optimistic and level headed while warmers -oh, those!- are afraid every day, so, concentrate yourself pops, right? Commercials during the reruns of Diagnose Murder or Matlock are not long enough for you to post here, thus leading to texts so poor, like the quoted above, which in short means "Let's say that GW is just a hype involving perceptions that come an go with the wind, and let's offer my own perception as a proof it is that way". Puerility chemically pure grade.

You should've taken time enough to select some events to "support" your ruminations and not simply your usual "it's not happening because I'm not aware of it nor interested; this, something I'm interested in, is happening". That's why Australians got your attention while other hundreds of millions here an there remained backstage.
 
macdoc said:
tell me again that winters have been getting colder.
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For most scientists his reasoning doesn't add up, but Boris did get one thing right: winters are getting colder.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2013/feb/01/weatherwatch-boris-johnson-cold-winter
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As global temperatures rise, a new study indicates that winters in the northern hemisphere are set to get colder and snowier. Data from the last two decades suggests that this colder trend is already under way. Indeed the chilly winters of 2009/2010 and 2010/2011 caused many to question whether global warming was happening at all.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2012/jan/22/weatherwatch-global-warming-climate-change
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The world is getting warmer, which should mean warmer winters - right? Wrong - a new study shows that global warming produces colder winters and heavier dumps of snow for large swathes of the northern hemisphere
http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/news/48293
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The world is warming, so why have winters been getting colder across much of Eurasia?
http://environmentalresearchweb.org/cws/article/news/52135
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See? Now, after we all get over the shock, we can start complaining about global warming while we are buried in snow.
 
"Recent severe winters like last year's or the one of 2005-2006 do not conflict with the global warming picture, but rather supplement it," explained Vladimir Petoukhov, lead author of the study and a physicist at the Potsdam Institute.

"These anomalies could triple the probability of cold winter extremes in Europe and north Asia," he said.
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http://news.discovery.com/earth/cold-winter-snow-weather-global-warming-101222.htm

Clearly cold winters are the next horror that global warming will bring upon us. Warming causes cooling!

That line of reasoning would help explain why the Northern Hemisphere has seen a trend of more extreme winter weather — both bitter cold spells and heavy snows — since around 1988, the researchers say.

“(E)vidence suggests that summer and autumn warming trends are concurrent with increases in high-latitude moisture and an increase in Eurasian snow cover,” they write in an article published in Environmental Research Letters. And that, they continue, “dynamically induces large-scale wintertime cooling.”

There you go: warming causes cooling.
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http://www.greenbang.com/global-warming-might-cause-colder-winters-more-snow_21263.html

See? So quit complaining that your roof collapsed from record snow, you can't get a flight or even drive anywhere, and start doing something about global warming. Because it's really starting to mess with the weather.
 
If it's the underlying warming that's causing the changes in weather patterns that are resulting in some areas experiencing more severe winters - and the evidence is pretty compelling that it is - then the solution to the problem of rooves collapsing from record snow and not being able to get a flight or even drive anywhere is to tackle the underlying warming, yes.

I'm sorry if that's too much for some people to wrap their heads round, but there are many aspects of reality that are counterintuitive.
 
r-j said:
See? Now, after we all get over the shock, we can start complaining about global warming while we are buried in snow.
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That's how climate change works. The usual weather patterns get disrupted, and some places get hotter and some get colder. That's complexity for you. The main thing is a greater overall global temperature means more precipitation overall. Some places will just get a lot of snow.

Do you think your personal incredulity is a reasonable and equal argument against the mass amount of evidence for global climate change driven by man?
 
r-j said:
See? Now, after we all get over the shock, we can start complaining about global warming while we are buried in snow.
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:dl:

Are you another one of the group that associates "snowier" with "cooling"? Where did all that water came from? Can you enumerate and evaluate the heat transactions in relation with all that snow?

Tell me, which is warmer? air at 70°F and 25% humidity or air at 67°F and 70% humidity?
 
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r-j said:
See? Now, after we all get over the shock, we can start complaining about global warming while we are buried in snow.
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Extreme precipitation events includes snow. The average temperature is only going up two to six degrees, so winters will still be cold. The increased precipitation events, such as floods and blizzards, are going to be more extreme. You are going to find homes are going under water that didn't before, and homes are going to be buried and collapse, that didn't before.
 
Which confirms what I said. So now, no matter what the weather does, you can blame it on global warming. Which is pretty cool, because I am sick and tired of this record cold.
 
I mean, this record global warming. There is an old movie called "Bananas," And the CIA sends troops to fight on both sides of the revolution because they're afraid of being on the wrong side.

Now that global warming can literally do anything weather wise, it's the perfect solution to explaining the weather.

No wait, somebody needs to say if things stay the same, then it's global warming. There. Now we have the perfect theory.
 
Excepting this isn't a guess. Climatologists worldwide all agree: Human industrial development has had a measureable and worrisome impact on our environment. If memory serves, out of 100 papers published about the climate after scientific peer review, 97 of those showed that we are in fact altering our climate.

But think on it for a moment. What's more likely? A handful of eco groups and almost all of the world's scientists are perpetrating a massive hoax using meagre funds for the sole purpose of a good joke, or that the petrochemical industry is using their massive profits to buy what few scientists they can to muddy the issue with the intent on protecting their profits?
 
r-j said:
Which confirms what I said. So now, no matter what the weather does, you can blame it on global warming. Which is pretty cool, because I am sick and tired of this record cold.
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No, that's not what was said at all, that was what you wanted to hear.

Now, there was record precipitation. What was the temperature? Was that a record low?
 
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I mean, this record global warming.
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I remember our last long term denier posting that he was going to read some peer-reviewed science papers regarding AGW and not long after he stopped posting here.

You may save a lot of your time by studying the science and looking at the big picture on a global scale. The science is pretty basic.
 
r-j said:
Are you trying to deny that global warming can make it record cold?
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1. IANAS
2. My understanding is that there will still be record lows, because that is the weather, there will be more record highs than record lows, which is exactly what is happening.
3. There will be more precipitation events, which means record snow falls.

You had a record snow fall, was it accompanied by a record low temperature.

It's also worth considering that the Antarctic, the coldest place on earth, is so cold it is the driest continent, it is too cold to even snow most of the time. With global warming, they should be getting more snow there.
 
r-j said:
Are you trying to deny that global warming can make it record cold?
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Global warming can cause record cold locally but not globally (obviously). In the UK (which for Boris Johnson is essentially the world) we've had a few winter periods like we used to have in the 80's, but nothing like we had in the 70's and before when similar blocking highs formed. When we get snow it barely lasts a week because the weather is so warm; when I was a kid we regularly had snow lying for a couple of months.

The very fact that snow in the UK in winter is being commented on points up how unusual it has become. The reason Boris gets a quote out about a "new Ice Age" is that he's punting for right-wing Tory and UKIP support if and when he challenges Cameron for the leadership. AGW denial has become the sine qua non of any right-wing politician, from libertarians to explicit fascists; you'll surely have noticed that yourself. It's the one thing a highly fractured right holds in common. Strange but true, and not something I saw coming twenty years ago when the denial effort started to crank [sic] up. Then again, who saw the swivel-eyed viscount coming? That's got to be the most bizarre feature of the whole denial episode.
 
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