Oh this says quite well what I have observed over the last few years.
POSTED ON SEPTEMBER 14TH 2012 We agree completely, except for the "climate denier" term. No one objects to the abstraction "climate" or to the assertion that climate changes over time. Here: "The clear distinction between a scientist and a climate denier (or indeed anyone who has pre-decided what they want) is that the scientist needs very good reasons for discarding or selecting data whereas the denier just needs to know what result they want" we agree completely. We just differ as to which people these words describe.
Like what we saw in the last few days. I answered the unscientific musings about why the topic was dead, by joking that maybe everybody was stuck in the snow and cold up north. (and as I type the snow is still coming down)
You can see the response to that. which wasn't basded on science, or even data.
Then I pointed out winters have been trending down, and we see unscientific comments, including denial of the records.
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Interesting observation of yours. I there anybody here you regard as "discarding or selecting data" because they have "pre-decided what they want"? Apart from the usual suspects we can all agree on, of course. Further to that, what data do you feel is being discarded that you regard as evidence against AGW being a real and significant problem?
Maybe you should just leave off the joking because it doesn't seem to be your strong suit. I still can't see the joke after you've pointed out there is one.
That's not usually the sort of response one seeks with a joke. Like I say, maybe the subject isn't your natural thing.
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Please, don't waste your efforts, my friend. Just look who s/he quoted and the date of the notion kept by this person. One may think that God grows uneducated narcissists and then the wind piles them up in the same corner, but in fact there's been also here a pattern of people returning under new names in short raids with the same old, same old, most noticeable the guy with the muppet avatar, the guy with the emperor name and at least once the guy with the "Third Man" avatar. Ah, and don't forget the gender mutant with the hysterical flavour. They circumvent their bans or their ill fame here and also show an image of a bunch of people holding similar opinions, while they promote the notion that the same crap is still trendy.
But this is not the case now. We're most probably seeing only something like a bad sketch of Statler and Waldorf as a part of a new approach in debate: the Alzheimer's stage.
Above, in purple, is the typical r-j-style statement. Here's what he was replied a couple of days ago:
Well here is the unusually cold winter r-j was referring to. Defined for Florida as "much above normal"...
If only the temperature scale was reversed, he would be right.
And of course he replied in style:
Some people are so stupid. I say the last two weeks have been unusually cold, and they then act like somebody claimed the whole winter was cold.
Then they quote old articles on winter temperatures, instead of looking at the facts.
I would educate you, but it won't matter. Faith isn't swayed by facts.
But now he comes back as he's inventing a down trend that suits his preconceptions. Of course, it's just the most elemental case of cherry picking: s/he's sure about that information because s/he felt the cold in the veins, and that was intense and surely intellectually reassuring
If there's any doubt, here are the records for the last years:
For Winters:
And for the latter part of Winter:
So, there's no trend, there's nothing, just a case of cherry picking similar to "it always rains during the weekend".
As this r-j person is probably going to be here hundreds of posts, like her/is doppelgänger, Malcolm, I'll continue with this in future posts. By now, I only can tell you all that this r-j person is applying the technique that makes the common flu virus a success: to constantly mutate, even to change from GW denier to GW paladin, and back again.
