Global warming discussion IV

[aleCcowaN]

@Fudbucker

If you had the slightest idea of what you're talking about you would laugh at the timing of this "questioning the 'questioning the pause' " thingy.

 

[a_unique_person]

Warmists caught in more lies?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...rs-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

You fell for that one, hook line and sinker.

 

[a_unique_person]

OK. Why is this guy going after NOAA?

Not NOAA. Just a personal gripe.

http://rabett.blogspot.com.au/2017/02/boiling-bates-down.html

 

[Mikemcc]

OK. Why is this guy going after NOAA?

Folks within a program (my experience is within anti-aircraft radar systems as a speciality) may feel fee to criticise the data processing in a testing regime to make it more representative, we did so to challenge the alarm ratio against natural wildlife. But to stretch that to say that the data is inaccurate would be grossly mis-representative.

From what I understand to the Karl 2015 paper. The changes were to he anomaly data, not the raw data. This was done because the ship water intake data has a significantly longer data record.

It's like knowing your tank temperature data sensor has a 0.5 deg offset. You know that the measurements from 10 years ago are (0.5, 0.6. 0.7), nowadays the new measurements are (0.6, 0.8, and 1.0). Even if the instrument baseline is off the anomaly is still (0.1, 0.2, 0.3) and there is huge effort ifrom the folks running all of the the datasets to trace down and account for errors in these anomalies due to changes in location, time-of-observation, instrumentation, shielding, etc.

The article is a piss-poor attempt to denigrate working scientists who have, in cases, committed a lifetime of observational studies to the body of work relating to this subject. Venal politicians are totally did-respectful of the effort required to gain some of the data, that they misconstrue s falsified. I'd love to see their fat-arses out on the ice releasing and tracking met balloons at stupid o'clock in the morning, or boring ice holes for ice thickness measurements to calibrate and back-up the satellite measurements. No doubt they will be too busy wining and dining lobbyists!

 

[aleCcowaN]

Pals, don't over-explain it or we'll be looking at the "if they have to talk so much it's because they hide something" that lame debaters use for sucker punch.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

One of the few comforts I find in global warming is that, if it plays out like people fear and the more right wing would like to deny, it's the countries responsible that will eventually pay.
Sure, it will be our (grand)children, but its the US midwest that will most likely turn into a desert. It's the coastal cities, containing the largest consumer bases and causing the largest pollution, that will drown in the americas, europe and asia. In fact, my entire country will vanish, turning the entire nation refugee.

In fact, the continent least likely to suffer is Africa.
Belated payback, but it's about the long game

 

[aleCcowaN]

Where are you? Maldives? Tuvalu? Vanuatu? Kiribati? Nauru?

People from religions different than Catholic and from any race and colour skin are welcome in Argentina, and they are growing (In 1950, Buenos Aires was the second city of Israel and Lebanon, after New York and Beirut). Differently to other country, we don't even expect them to learn our language and adopt our uses.

 

[lomiller]

Warmists caught in more lies?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...rs-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

Someone was caught lying, just not the ones the denier dupes seem to think.

There was never any scientific evidence for a pause. Temperatures never went outside the expected range for a warming climate. The notion of a pause was, from the start, promoted by fraudulent cherry picked graphs meant to deceive the public not anything in the published science.

Multiple papers and reports have now shown that the so called “pause” never happened and the world continued to warm resulting in the record temperatures of the last couple years. The daily fail piece you linked to is rehashing the CT angle that it is all just one big conspiracy on the part of mainstream science to supress the truth.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Where are you? Maldives? Tuvalu? Vanuatu? Kiribati? Nauru?

People from religions different than Catholic and from any race and colour skin are welcome in Argentina, and they are growing (In 1950, Buenos Aires was the second city of Israel and Lebanon, after New York and Beirut). Differently to other country, we don't even expect them to learn our language and adopt our uses.

Netherlands

 

[lomiller]

OK. Why is this guy going after NOAA?

Does it matter? His claim not only lacks substance it's been disproved.
http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/1/e1601207

This paper evaluates the new and old version of the data set against and demonstrates conclusively that the changes improve the quality of the data.

In the face of Blogosphere claims that the changes are port of a conspiracy vs peer reviewed publications showing the are justified why would anyone believe the conspiracy theory? For that matter why would you even need the new publication to believe a paper published in Science over internet claims of a conspiracy?

 

[aleCcowaN]

Netherlands

Then you're exaggerating about your country being flooded!

Those countries I mentioned have the real problem. Not even in the worse scenario you're going to be a refugee.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Then you're exaggerating about your country being flooded!

Those countries I mentioned have the real problem. Not even in the worse scenario you're going to be a refugee.

Why not? Worst case scenario is a sea level rise of 50 meters or so?
5 meters would break most of the sea walls along the populated area, 10-15 meters would remove the country.

 

[lomiller]

Why not? Worst case scenario is a sea level rise of 50 meters or so?
5 meters would break most of the sea walls along the populated area, 10-15 meters would remove the country.

Short of a melting East Antarctica ~7m is worst case, and that takes 200-500 years. Melting East Antarctica is 500+ years away even under some of the worst case warming scenarios and would progress at 2m-5m per 100 years. 50m isn’t impossible but it’s probably something on a 5000+ year time scale.

 

[aleCcowaN]

Why not? Worst case scenario is a sea level rise of 50 meters or so?
5 meters would break most of the sea walls along the populated area, 10-15 meters would remove the country.

I didn't know Antarctica was going to move out of the Southern Pole, not that part of Gelderland east of Apeldorn and Southern Limburg have been declared independent countries, or going to be in five thousand years time when mankind has devolved into Middle Age technology like that during the flood of 1421 .

 

[Red Baron Farms]

This graph might help in the Bates motel issue at NOAA.

 

[lomiller]

This graph might help in the Bates motel issue at NOAA.
[qimg]http://greatwhitecon.info/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Izen-LOTI-WfT-20161215.gif[/qimg]

You missed one thing

When deniers draw their "pause" they start above the long term trend line and draw a flat line until the long term trend catches up to the step increase they added in.

Tamino drew a good representation in a posting last year.

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2016/10/18/breaking-bad/

 

[SusanB-M1]

May I call in here to ask a question, please. I put into the search box 'telluric currents' and this was the first topic linked. I've been reading elsewhere some woo-type comments on the way humans can pick upp/tune into these very low frequency electrical currents, but I would like to be able to come up with a clear answer as to whether there is any equipment which has measured any such thing.

Apologies for not reading the thread through to see if the answer is there.

 

[Reality Check]

This is a thread about global warming so the answer will not be here.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

May I call in here to ask a question, please. I put into the search box 'telluric currents' and this was the first topic linked. I've been reading elsewhere some woo-type comments on the way humans can pick upp/tune into these very low frequency electrical currents, but I would like to be able to come up with a clear answer as to whether there is any equipment which has measured any such thing.

Apologies for not reading the thread through to see if the answer is there.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11028029&postcount=1047

 

[aleCcowaN]

May I call in here to ask a question, please. I put into the search box 'telluric currents' and this was the first topic linked. I've been reading elsewhere some woo-type comments on the way humans can pick upp/tune into these very low frequency electrical currents, but I would like to be able to come up with a clear answer as to whether there is any equipment which has measured any such thing.

Apologies for not reading the thread through to see if the answer is there.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11028029&postcount=1047

Yes, you'll find just woo-type comments, like the post linked by RBF, and woo in scientific disguise.

Don't get any conclusion from that post being in this thread, as it's well known woo-adorers know no limits and everything has to do with their woo-woo.