Gillard labels Abbott a misogynist

[Morrigan]

Her defense of Slipper

You mean this "defense"?

I am offended by those text messages.​

Nothing to do with due process.

Really?

But I also believe, in terms of this Parliament making a decision about the speakership, that this Parliament should recognise that there is a court case in progress. That the judge has reserved his decision, that having waited for a number of months for the legal matters surrounding Mr Slipper to come to a conclusion, that this Parliament should see that conclusion.
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Also, calling out the douchebag on his hypocrisy and misogyny was completely warranted. You don't get to bitch at people for being sexist when you are a sexist bigot yourself.

By the way... did she defend Slipper in that speech, or did she not?

As I already said I did not hear her defend Slipper's conduct at any point in her speech.

Exactly.

 

[rjh01]

I know nothing of Australian politics, however, I did listen to the entire speeh, and this appears to be complete rubbish. She did not defend Peter Slipper, she even stated that his text messages were offensive. What she did defend was due process (i.e. Slipper was technically innocent until proven guilty by the court), and that the Parliament should not make a hasty decision and should wait for the judge's decision. This is not "defending Slipper". She is attacking Abbott for his hypocrisy and his own misoginy, and she was completely correct, assuming the Abbott quotes are true (and I've seen nothing to indicate that they aren't).

You are 100% right here. Nothing in the thread after this post says anything to convince me otherwise.

 

[Magenta]

Let's see, how can I get this one through, let's try it another way.

What in the article that you linked to included anything remotely close to what she actually said, and why?

The author of that article, Peter Hartcher, is a supporter of the previous PM Kevin Rudd who was deposed by Gillard. One of the side affects of this episode has been to highlight the way politics is reported, often in a partisan way, by the MSM and the Canberra press gallery in particular. My earlier post included links to some interesting articles on this and there've been many more since.

Why did she attack the opposition leader in this way? What was the topic being debated when she went on her rant?. Was her foot stamping and sooking germane to the argument (iow, how did the speech address his/parties arguments)?

Did you read/listen to Abbott's speech in full? It's one long attack on Gillard (and Roxon). Hansard available here. Also, I think Abbott made a serious error of judgment in using the now toxic phrase "died of shame".

Abbott's motion (without notice) to have the Speaker removed was not motivated by any high moral principle. It was purely a wedge tactic to damage the government and one which backfired spectacularly. The options for the government were either to allow the opposition a win by voting to remove the speaker on the basis of vulgar text messages (probably not a good precedent to set) or to vote against the motion and afford the speaker the chance to resign and exit with some dignity. By the time Gillard gave her speech, moves were already afoot to get Slipper to resign. (See Laura Tingle in the AFR.) I don't doubt that the opposition will continue to raise the Slipper affair (rather than show some positive reason why they are a viable alternative government) but I suspect Gillard's speech will be remembered much longer.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

^ So you mean you were not truthful about her speech in this thread.

Whoosh

Context

You mean this "defense"?

I am offended by those text messages.​

So offended by them that she voted to keep him as the speaker and the man who rules over all parliamentary standards.

But I also believe, in terms of this Parliament making a decision about the speakership, that this Parliament should recognise that there is a court case in progress.

The two matters are entirely separate - one is about a sexual harassment case. The other is whether he is fit to hold the office. The texts are not in dispute. And his guilt or otherwise in the court case have zero bearing on the parliamentary vote.

Gillard's tirade was a planned attack and it was all part of the defense of Peter Slipper.

The author of that article, Peter Hartcher, is a supporter of the previous PM Kevin Rudd who was deposed by Gillard. One of the side affects of this episode has been to highlight the way politics is reported, often in a partisan way, by the MSM and the Canberra press gallery in particular. My earlier post included links to some interesting articles on this and there've been many more since.

You may be right about journalistic partisanship - in fact I wholeheartedly agree it is there in many instances. That is why the opinions of people like Laurie Oakes, others in the Age like Lenore Taylor and Michelle Grattan (all Gillard and Labor fans) have been so interesting. They too have spoken out against Gillard and her shallow & deceitful efforts to defend the indefensible.

 

[Akhenaten]

Gillard's tirade was a planned attack and it was all part of the defense of Peter Slipper.

And how exactly did the Prime Minister get Tony Abbott to go along with her cunning plan by introducing a motion without notice?

 

[MG1962]

And how exactly did the Prime Minister get Tony Abbott to go along with her cunning plan by introducing a motion without notice?

My guess would be Jedi mind tricks

 

[Akhenaten]

My guess would be Jedi mind tricks

That's at least as sensible an explanation as anything I've heard from the "never let the facts get in the way of a good rant" mob.

 

[MG1962]

That's at least as sensible an explanation as anything I've heard from the "never let the facts get in the way of a good rant" mob.

And it is a rant of epic proportions, spread over what 4 threads now I believe

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Lenore Taylor - The Age

Yes, Australia's first female prime minister has been subject to gender-based vilification and yes, she was unbottling genuine anger in a genuinely powerful speech, but she was doing it as part of a plan.
Or like the context that the speech was given to defend the indefensible, namely the continuation of Peter Slipper in the role of speaker after the latest ream of offensive and explicit text messages were revealed.

That assessment is not an unthinking acceptance of the ''spin'' fed by the opposition, as several commentators and bloggers have maintained, nor the ''spin'' by Gillard's opponents in the Labor Party for that matter. It was actually what the debate was about. She was arguing that the Parliament should not vote for Slipper's removal.

A very good summary. And yes, this from a left leaning paper and one of their expert political journalists (Gillard supporting too).

I think I will stick with her opinion in this instance, rather than others here.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...-but-remember-the-context-20121012-27i1h.html

 

[Akhenaten]

I think I will stick with her opinion in this instance, rather than others here.

Of course you will. It would be a shame to spoil a perfect record of wrongevity after spending all this time establishing it.

 

[MG1962]

Lenore Taylor - The Age



A very good summary. And yes, this from a left leaning paper and one of their expert political journalists (Gillard supporting too).

I think I will stick with her opinion in this instance, rather than others here.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...-but-remember-the-context-20121012-27i1h.html

Yes again playing the victim card. The little doe eyed Abbott who would never hurt a fly and his trusty side kick for hire Alan Jones, they never did anything to deserve the tirade of anger from the Australian people, or Jullia Gillard it is all part of her plan to...um....wait what is her plan. Oh yes to stand back and watch the conservative power base implode like a failed CERN experiment.

But wait this about Peter Slipper isn't it - Living proof John Howard succeeded in transplanting a 12 year old male brain into a 62 year old human being. No wonder the CSIRO got all those wonderful budget extensions

And in closing lets reciet the sacred mantra "Jullia Gillard is a liar" umm sorry broke a non core promise

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=non-core+promise

 

[Hallo Alfie]

It would be a shame to spoil a perfect record of wrongevity after spending all this time establishing it.

Indeed. So you just keep at it big boy. Perhaps one day you will luck out and get one right.

 

[MG1962]

Indeed. So you just keep at it big boy. Perhaps one day you will luck out and get one right.

Well that would still put him ahead of you.

Children overboard anybody

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_Overboard_affair

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Yes again playing the victim card.

Who is playing the victim card? Gillard? I don't reckon anyone else is.

All that aside; do you think Gillard should have kicked Slipper out of the speakers chair?

 

[MG1962]

Who is playing the victim card? Gillard? I don't reckon anyone else is.

All that aside; do you think Gillard should have kicked Slipper out of the speakers chair?

I would rather know how he managed to get into Parliament in the first place. Or did this character flaw only surface after he was bewitched by Jullia's dazzling charm?

 

[Morrigan]

The two matters are entirely separate - one is about a sexual harassment case. The other is whether he is fit to hold the office. The texts are not in dispute. And his guilt or otherwise in the court case have zero bearing on the parliamentary vote.

Even if the texts were not in dispute, she's still right; if sexism, such as the one allegedly displayed in those texts (personally I think they are crude and juvenile rather than really "sexist" per se), is a reason for someone to hand over their resignation, then Abbott should find a paper and pen and sign his letter right away.

Gillard's tirade was a planned attack and it was all part of the defense of Peter Slipper.

She's a mind-reader and knew Abbott would present that motion? Really? Someone give her the $1mil!

You wanna talk about a "planned attack", Abbott seems more likely here; he didn't want to have his buddy Slipper removed because he was outraged at his "sexism", he filed that motion to attack Gillard. It's painfully obvious.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Even if the texts were not in dispute, she's still right; if sexism, such as the one allegedly displayed in those texts (personally I think they are crude and juvenile rather than really "sexist" per se), is a reason for someone to hand over their resignation, then Abbott should find a paper and pen and sign his letter right away.

So your interpretation is just like hers then; (something like) "Yes he is a misogynist, but he is too, so it's even"?

Where are we, in the schoolyard?

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I would rather know how he managed to get into Parliament in the first place. Or did this character flaw only surface after he was bewitched by Jullia's dazzling charm?

He became the yabbie's problem the day she elevated him to higher office. The coalition was in the process of getting rid of him - he was being managed out, not managed up.

Moreover, he became more of her problem when she defended the indefensible.

 

[Akhenaten]

So your interpretation is just like hers then; (something like) "Yes he is a misogynist, but he is too, so it's even".

Instead of snipping selected bits of posts under which to put your pretend answers, how about answering the questions about your assertion that the Prime Minister's response to Abbott's motion without notice was part of a planned attack.

Where are we, in the schoolyard?

Asks the bloke who thinks it's oh-so-clever to bolster his "arguments" by referring to the Prime Minister as "the yabbie".

No wonder you're incapable of seeing Abbott's hypocrisy and misogyny,

 

[MG1962]

He became the yabbie's problem the day she elevated him to higher office. The coalition was in the process of getting rid of him - he was being managed out, not managed up.

Haaaaaaaaa you had 18 years to manage him out. But lets be real here, remember that travel expenses difficulty...why dont you educate the masses about that, you know, the secret deal Abbott engineered to keep Slipper in the game.

Jullia might be the worst PM there ever was, Abbott will go down in history as the worst PM that never was