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General UK Politics VI It's A (Honey) Trap!

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Planigale said:
It is worth saying that this is not unique to the UK the same thing happened in many other countries.
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Indeed, it was a nearly universal ****-up. However most other countries dealt with it years, even decades, ago, e.g. the Irish Hepatitis C Compensation Tribunal Act, 1997. France brought criminal charges in 1999.
The UK procrastinated.
 
catsmate said:
Indeed, it was a nearly universal ****-up. However most other countries dealt with it years, even decades, ago, e.g. the Irish Hepatitis C Compensation Tribunal Act, 1997. France brought criminal charges in 1999.
The UK procrastinated.
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How did they do that so early, weren't those involved in the decisions still alive or not too elderly to be put on trial?
 
Darat said:
Using kids as guinea pig?
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While that was inconscionable it wasn't unknown. Look at the history of the development of the polio vaccines and you will see institutionalised children used as test subjects, even after the Nuremberg Code
 
Carrot Flower King said:
I find that bit especially horrific and not just because I spent pretty much all my working life around children and adolescents, embroiled in issues concerning consent, what it means and who can legally (let alone morally) give it.

The attitudes behind this are beyond repugnant. Hannah Arendt's ideas about the banality of evil spring to mind, oddly.
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We are supposed to be, ethically, beyond the days of Kolmer. Or Salk.
 
Darat said:
How did they do that so early, weren't those involved in the decisions still alive or not too elderly to be put on trial?
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It was more about compensating, and helping, those infected.
In 1994 there was realisation of contamination of Anti-D serum (given to pregnant women where there is a potential Rhesus factor issue) with Hep-B (and later Hep-C/HCV/Hep-non-A-Non-B) and the Blood Transfusion Service Board went to the government and action was taken. Criminal charges were brought, though dropped after teh deaths of witnesses.
I'm not saying people were covered with glory over the ****-up but it was addressed.
More here.

The same process was used (the Lindsay Tribunal investigated) when the matter was extended to cover haemophiliacs (about 250, of 400, were infected within the state). It should be noted that there were no (known) infections within Ireland after 1985 when procedures changed and in 1992 recombinant protein treatment was standardised (i.e. no human blood was used).
 
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LIVE: Cabinet meeting and 'diaries cleared' as election talk grows

Says the BBC

They have a helicopter circling over downing street showing live images of nothing happening.

All the news channels have cleared their schedules it seems.
 
Andy_Ross said:
LIVE: Cabinet meeting and 'diaries cleared' as election talk grows

Says the BBC

They have a helicopter circling over downing street showing live images of nothing happening.

All the news channels have cleared their schedules it seems.
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So what time does Sunak have to leave to do the Downing St to Palace to Heathrow run in time for the plane to California?
 
4th of July would, of course, be just inside the second half of the year, and hence Rish! didn't lie to the house at PMQ...
 
So, who forgot to tell Rish! it was raining outside? I mean, fair play for doing it without an umbrella and all, but him getting slowly soaked through does look rather sad.

Edit: And even more fair play to whomever brought along a soundbox and D:Ream's tune :D
 
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So Sunak has thrown in the towel. And his speech was pathetic.

Into the Valley of Death rode the three hundred....
Minus a few who'd decided not to.

A July election, you haven't had one of those since, 1945.

And the weather reminds me of US president William Harrison.
 
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