General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[Sword_Of_Truth]

municipalities don't just build new roads and sidewalks because people want it.

Yes, they do.

they build them if they are neccessary.

The taxpayers have made this determination.

capital funds don't grow on trees, you know

No, they don't.

...and they don't get used simply because of a public desire.

Yes they do. Ever heard a politician campaigning? "Vote for me and I'll build this thing you want".

why can't the tax-payers use the existing sidewalk to go to Church?

They don't want to. They pay taxes, they want a new road. It's the states job to build the road if the political will and finances are there.

oh, right, its near a cemetary. sucks to be you.

Sucks even worse to be you. I'm not the one throwing a forum tantrum over a road getting built. I don't care and the Cohanim are getting their road. You're the only one who is unhappy with the situation.

 

[Thunder]

Lies.

The purpose of the road is to get taxpayers and their families from point A to point B. You hate it because point B happens to be a church. That's just plain old bigotry.

Congratulations, you've become what you've beheld.

and I quote:

But according to a document by Israel Antabi, the municipality's deputy director general and head of engineering and projects, the trees were removed not because of plans to create a four-lane road. The plan is to pave a street for Cohanim - Jews who, according to custom, face certain restrictions such as avoiding graveyards.

According to the document, "Tiberias is an ancient city more than 2,000 years old .... In Tiberias there are cemeteries that cover most of the area around the old city. So Cohanim do not use the roads in the center of Tiberias. The Israeli government decided to fund a project for making halakhic roads that would enable the passage of Cohanim."

there are already existing roads that the Cohanim could use. but the Cohanim don't like these roads, cause God says they are bad. so, to please the Cohanim's superstition's, the State of Israel is using taxpayer dollars to build another road, simply to comply with the religious requirements of very religious Jews.

again, roads already exist that could be used by the Cohanim, but they make the conscious choice to NOT use them. why should possibly millions in tax-payer dollars be used for such a purpose...especially when perfectly good roads already exist??? this is a clear violation of the seperation of Church & State, which clearly does NOT exist in the Jewish State.


....and SOT is defending this clear violation of the seperation of Church & State.

 

[Thunder]

Sucks even worse to be you.

#1. I was not referring to "YOU". I was referring to the Cohanim.

#2. You got some nerve & some hypocrisy, accusing me of lieing.

#3. your accusing me of bigotry simply because I disagree with you, is pathetic. you gonna call me a traitor next?



no country that honors and values the seperation of Church & State, builds "halakhic roads".

and no, roads don't just get built just because some special-interest group wants it. at least not in a secular democratic state.

 

[Mycroft]

Sucks even worse to be you. I'm not the one throwing a forum tantrum over a road getting built. I don't care and the Cohanim are getting their road. You're the only one who is unhappy with the situation.

Further, there is nothing that says the road is only for the Cohanim, only that their needs were taken into consideration when planning its route. Even if there were no Cohanim it's realistic to assume the road would have been built anyway, and we don't even have enough information to determine if these trees would have been spared.

It really is a text-book example of a manufactured grievance.

 

[Thunder]

Even if there were no Cohanim it's realistic to assume the road would have been built anyway, and we don't even have enough information to determine if these trees would have been spared.

another baseless claim.

surprise....surprise.

oh, and btw, I love trees, am a certified Arborist, spent 4 years of my life planting trees, and think Eucalyptus trees hold a special place in tree heaven. that's the other reason why I made this thread.

 

[Thunder]

Whatever the reason, the loss of the trees is a tough one for many residents. David Amar, who owns a camping-gear shop on Hayarden Street, also says the eucalyptus trees were part of his childhood. He finds the uprooting of trees to pave a street for Cohanim strange.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

#1. I was not referring to "YOU". I was referring to the Cohanim.

And yet it doesn't suck to be them. They got their road.

#2. You got some nerve & some hypocrisy, accusing me of lieing.

It increasingly appears that it's all you ever do.

#3. your accusing me of bigotry simply because I disagree with you

You sole objection to this road appears to be that the Cohanim will use it. That's religious bigotry.

no country that honors and values the seperation of Church & State, builds "halakhic roads".

The road itself is not halakhic. It follows a route which facilitates halakhic rituals. The road itself is just concrete and asphalt.

and no, roads don't just get built just because some special-interest group wants it.

Oh jeebus... this is perhaps the most staggeringly ignorant thing ever said outside the CT and paranormal forums.

If I had a dollar for every road and public facility in the western world that got built at the behest of a "special interest group", I'd never use roads because I'd own my own frickin helicopter.

 

[bikerdruid]

Whatever the reason, the loss of the trees is a tough one for many residents. David Amar, who owns a camping-gear shop on Hayarden Street, also says the eucalyptus trees were part of his childhood. He finds the uprooting of trees to pave a street for Cohanim strange.

the loss of trees is a tough one for any thinking person.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

the loss of trees is a tough one for any thinking person.

Cue the violins...


First you were pissed that the jews in Israel were planting trees. Now you're honked off that the jews in Israel are cutting down trees. Is it just a coinky-dink that you're a 9/11 truther and that both of these contradictory positions cut against the jews in Israel?

 

[bikerdruid]

Cue the violins...


First you were pissed that the jews in Israel were planting trees. Now you're honked off that the jews in Israel are cutting down trees. Is it just a coinky-dink that you're a 9/11 truther and that both of these contradictory positions cut against the jews in Israel?

i was not 'honked off' about the planting of the trees.
i was 'honked off' that they were demolishing palestinian homes to do so.

but you knew that....
btw...i can't watch your video, but you knew that too...

 

[Mycroft]

the loss of trees is a tough one for any thinking person.

Why is the loss of these trees tragic?

As far as I can tell, they're not even native.

 

[WildCat]

Why is the loss of these trees tragic?

As far as I can tell, they're not even native.

I lost my peach tree last year because I got careless with the weedwacker.

That was tragic.

 

[bikerdruid]

Why is the loss of these trees tragic?

...trees are the lungs of the earth....
.........and our neighbours.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Why is the loss of these trees tragic?

As far as I can tell, they're not even native.

Actually, the killing of the trees was an act of legitimate self defense by Israel.

Captured Hamas documents indicate the trees were spying for the terrorists and relaying targeting information about personnel movements.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

...trees are the lungs of the earth....
.........and our neighbours.

And the paper products I wipe my ass with.

 

[bikerdruid]

Actually, the killing of the trees was an act of legitimate self defense by Israel.

Captured Hamas documents indicate the trees were spying for the terrorists and relaying targeting information about personnel movements.

And the paper products I wipe my ass with.

your 'humour' is only out compassed by your callousness.
(your lack of humanity is showing.)

 

[Thunder]

It increasingly appears that it's all you ever do..

on the contrary, posting opinions that you do not agree with, is not lieing, SOT.

You sole objection to this road appears to be that the Cohanim will use it. That's religious bigotry.

on the contrary, I have two objections to this road:

1. it was built purely due to the religious needs of very religious Cohanim. There is no evidence there was any general transportation need for the new road.

2. very old and lovely trees were killed to build these unneccessary, special-interest roads.

The road itself is not halakhic. It follows a route which facilitates halakhic rituals. The road itself is just concrete and asphalt.

take that up with Israel Antabi, the municipality's deputy director general and head of engineering and projects, who himself called them "halakhic roads".

If I had a dollar for every road and public facility in the western world that got built at the behest of a "special interest group", I'd never use roads because I'd own my own frickin helicopter.

I do not doubt that various interest groups within the USA and other Western nations often influence the placement of Stop Signs, bike-lanes, red-light cameras, etc etc. My issue is when such elements are put into place simply due to religious needs, and not some general transporation factor. Capital funds, in a secular democracy, should not be used to simply provide for the needs of religious communities.

...and publicly-owned trees should not be cut down for religous perposes either. those trees belong to all the citizens of Israel.

 

[WildCat]

your 'humour' is only out compassed by your callousness.
(your lack of humanity is showing.)

Corn cobs for you, eh?

 

[Thunder]

And the paper products I wipe my ass with.

huh

 

[Mycroft]

...trees are the lungs of the earth....
.........and our neighbours.

Are you serious?

I personally think that argument is so kooky it's gotta be a parody of the loony-leftist point of view, but on the chance you mean it sincerely, then you should be an ardent Zionist. They have a fetish about planting trees in Israel, either going there to do it personally or paying to have it done.

http://www.treesfortheholyland.com/index.html

http://treestoisrael.org/

http://www.jnf.org/work-we-do/our-projects/forestry-ecology/

Millions of trees. Lots of new sylvan friends and neighbors for you to love, and precious lungs for our planet earth.