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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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bikerdruid said:
plus, the protests are not marxist....they are humanitarian.
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Good one!

Tell me, what is on the schedule wrt the Lebanese denying citizenship, land ownership, etc to Palestinians who have lived there for 4 generations now?

Nothing? That's right. Because this is about destroying Israel, under cover of "humanitarianism".

The next time you see Marxists fighting for the rights of Palestinians in Lebanon, where there is actual apartheid, will be the first. But we know that won't ever happen, don't we? Because this is about Jew hatred.
 
This deserves its own special thread apart from the existing Israel/Palestine thread because...?
 
bikerdruid said:
how very wrong you are....it's sad, really...
the only hatred in this discussion is the usual......the hatred of palestinians that is so common among right-wingnuts.:(
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Over 1 million Palestinians live in Israel as full citizens. They are allowed to vote, hold elected office, travel wherever they like. This is "apartheid"?

Meanwhile, just over the border in Lebanon, Palestinians are forced to live in designated areas, cannot vote, cannot hold elected office, cannot travel freely, cannot work without special permits. And not a peep from any of the so-called anti-apartheid activists.

Pardon me if I conclude that this is more about hatred of Jews than real concern about apartheid. You can put a load of bovine excrement on my plate, you can't make me eat it. Perhaps they'll find enough useful idiots to fill out the ranks and mask the overt anti-semitism sure to be found at these rallies, maybe you're even one of them. But it's obvious what this is really about.
 
A question for you Biker, why choose this particular topic for showcasing a lack of free speech on Canadian campuses? I haven't paid a lot of attention to these events, although I know they occur every year and haven't heard of any being shut down.
On the other hand, closer to home, xtian groups do get censored and their protests shut down for protesting abortions on campuses. I do not support their message, but do support their right to say it, as well as those who choose to counter protest.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=fda66159-d864-4897-acac-5823f95f9625
Cherry picked that off of google, lots more there.
 
likkerpig said:
A question for you Biker, why choose this particular topic for showcasing a lack of free speech on Canadian campuses? I haven't paid a lot of attention to these events, although I know they occur every year and haven't heard of any being shut down.
On the other hand, closer to home, xtian groups do get censored and their protests shut down for protesting abortions on campuses. I do not support their message, but do support their right to say it, as well as those who choose to counter protest.
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/national/story.html?id=fda66159-d864-4897-acac-5823f95f9625
Cherry picked that off of google, lots more there.
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when i was in calgary a year ago, i went to visit my old campus at the u of c.
in the centre of campus was a huge display of disgusting and graphic pictures of the worst of human debaucles, the massacres of children, and many graphic pictures of aborted and mutilated fetuses. they were making the comparison between african genocides and abortions. i sat and watched the event or a while. no one was interfering with their right to do that, however, the demonstrations against israel apartheid have been banned on canadian campuses in the past few years.
 
bikerdruid said:
because this thread is about the lack of free thought and speech on canadian campuses.
but if you had read the op you would know that.
would you care to address the topic, or can we expect further derailing by you?
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If the author of the article linked in the OP could write a coherent thesis perhaps this would become clear. Instead it's an incoherent rant about... something.

Maybe you can clarify what the author has been unable to illustrate? How is speech on Canadian campuses being stifled?
 
bikerdruid said:
when i was in calgary a year ago, i went to visit my old campus at the u of c.
in the centre of campus was a huge display of disgusting and graphic pictures of the worst of human debaucles, the massacres of children, and many graphic pictures of aborted and mutilated fetuses. they were making the comparison between african genocides and abortions. i sat and watched the event or a while. no one was interfering with their right to do that, however, the demonstrations against israel apartheid have been banned on canadian campuses in the past few years.
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I agree it was disgusting, as well as the idea of some upper middle class (oy, sterotyping) spoon fed never worked a day in their life university student using the images of incredible suffering and brutality to bolster their pet outrage of the month. But, in the spirit of free speech they are allowed to be that offensive. You may not have seen it but the cops did haul them away.
In regards to the IAW I do not recall it ever being banned on any campus. I did see footage of counter-protesters being hauled away after a IAP supporter attacked one of them for filming them.
Do you have any links where IAW is shut down on a Canadian campus? Or are you just protesting that some people dare not agree with it? And <gasp> say so?
 
likkerpig said:
I agree it was disgusting, as well as the idea of some upper middle class (oy, sterotyping) spoon fed never worked a day in their life university student using the images of incredible suffering and brutality to bolster their pet outrage of the month. But, in the spirit of free speech they are allowed to be that offensive. You may not have seen it but the cops did haul them away.
In regards to the IAW I do not recall it ever being banned on any campus. I did see footage of counter-protesters being hauled away after a IAP supporter attacked one of them for filming them.
Do you have any links where IAW is shut down on a Canadian campus? Or are you just protesting that some people dare not agree with it? And <gasp> say so?
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see above...:)
 
WildCat said:
I'm tired of you just dropping a link without any summary from you at all. Are you incapable of summarizing what we can expect to see in your links? Not even a quote supporting whatever it is you're asserting?
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dude...you asked, "How is speech on Canadian campuses being stifled?"|
i gave you a link to an example.
the universities of ottawa and carelton, for example have banned posters and demonstrations during 'israeli apartheid week'.

there....all better now?
 
So banning a poster that shows a Apache helicopter labeled Israel firing a Hellfire missile at at a child with a teddy bear labeled Gaza, which obviously has no bias, is the same as banning the whole protest?
Wow, whole lot of disconnect to come to that conclusion.
 
I retract my previous post, I agree they should be allowed to put up whatever posters they want. Let it be judged on it's content.
 
WildCat said:
But mostly, it will be an anti-Jew pro-terrorism pep rally.
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yes, because the ONLY possible reason to oppose the illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank, is anti-Semitism.

;)

and yes, while it can be said that the Israeli-Arabs no longer live in a state of Apartheid, the Palestinians of the West Bank surely do. Almost all aspects of a pure Apartheid-state exist in the West Bank.
 
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bikerdruid said:
canada also banned george galloway from entering, but allowed ann coulter to come here and spew her hatred and vitriol.
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Will you stop insulting Canada?

I think Canadians are, generally, able to take Coulter with the grain of salt that a serving of her rhetoric calls for.
 
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