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General Israel/Palestine discussion thread

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Thunder said:
I own a Koran and have read through it. I don't need a website to tell me whats in it.

Do you, um...own a Koran?
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Pics or it didn't happen.

No, I don't own a Quran. My bookshelf has enough fiction anyway.

I'm reading the translation provided by Yususf Ali, though.
 
Thunder said:
you are demanding pictures...of my Koran??

:p:p:p
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Don't actually care.

This has become a monstrous waste of time. Since you refuse to actually discuss what's in the Quran (of which I've posted <2> translations for those who don't have a hard copy) then it's about time to end this conversation.
 
IDB87 said:
This has become a monstrous waste of time. Since you refuse to actually discuss what's in the Quran (of which I've posted <2> translations for those who don't have a hard copy) then it's about time to end this conversation.
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No, I simply do not wish to engage in Islam-bashing.

As I stated before, I know there is bad **** in the Koran. But I also know there are good things in there aswell.

Insisting on focusing on the bad and ignoring the good, is bigotry.
 
Insisting on focusing on the bad and ignoring the good, is bigotry.
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Sorry. Something about condemning homosexuals and diminishing the rights of women kind of overshadows the (already innate) sense of respecting one another or telling the truth.
 
Thunder said:
I know there is bad **** in the Koran. But I also know there are good things in there as well.

Insisting on focusing on the bad and ignoring the good, is bigotry.
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So Osama Bin Laden, Mahmoud Ahmedinjad, The Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hezbollah and dozens of others are all bigots, then?

"I have been commanded to fight until none but muslims are left".
- Osama Bin Laden, quoting muslim scripture on video captured by US forces in Afghanistan
 
IDB87 said:
Sorry. Something about condemning homosexuals and diminishing the rights of women kind of overshadows the (already innate) sense of respecting one another or telling the truth.
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I would say that being good, kind, honest, generous, and loving is actually NOT innate, and indeed must be taught. But that's for another thread.

oh, and the Bible attacks homosexuality just as strongly as the Koran. But we aren't attacking the Bible, for some reason.
 
Thunder said:
oh, and the Bible attacks homosexuality just as strongly as the Koran. But we aren't attacking the Bible, for some reason.
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Probably because this is the Parky outrage du Jour Israel/Palestine thread. Christian scripture has less to do with the conflict than islamic or jewish scripture does.
 
Israel Apartheid Week and freedom of speech on canadian campuses

canadian universities, far from being bastions of free thought and expression, suppress freedom of speech during Israel Apartheid Week.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(((( T h e B u l l e t ))))~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A Socialist Project e-bulletin ... No. 475 ... March 5, 2011
____________________________________________________________

This Is What Complicity Looks Like:
Palestine and the Silencing Campaign on Campus

Mary-Jo Nadeau and Alan Sears

The campaign to silence Palestine solidarity reaches its annual
crescendo during Israeli Apartheid Week (IAW). As IAW 2011
approaches, we need to prepare for another round of silencing.
This means assessing the silencing campaign and the experience of
standing up for free expression over the last few years.

The ongoing campaign to silence Palestine solidarity on Ontario
(and Canadian) campuses represents a major assault on academic
freedom and freedom of expression in general. Over the past five
years, attempts to suppress speech about the issue of Palestine
and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict have become routine, both on
and off campuses. The goal of this campaign is quite simply to
shut down political activism and scholarly exchange that explores
Palestinian experiences and/or criticizes the Israeli state. This
silencing project echoes that of the Israeli state itself, which
has systematically clamped down on all aspects of Palestinian
life while trying to eliminate signs and memories of Palestinian
existence.

Click here to continue reading:
http://www.socialistproject.ca/bullet/475.php#continue
 
bikerdruid said:
canadian universities, far from being bastions of free thought and expression, suppress freedom of speech during Israel Apartheid Week.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(((( T h e B u l l e t ))))~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A Socialist Project e-bulletin ... No. 475 ... March 5, 2011
____________________________________________________________

This Is What Complicity Looks Like:
Palestine and the Silencing Campaign on Campus

Mary-Jo Nadeau and Alan Sears

The campaign to silence Palestine solidarity reaches its annual
crescendo during Israeli Apartheid Week (IAW). As IAW 2011
approaches, we need to prepare for another round of silencing.
This means assessing the silencing campaign and the experience of
standing up for free expression over the last few years.

The ongoing campaign to silence Palestine solidarity on Ontario
(and Canadian) campuses represents a major assault on academic
freedom and freedom of expression in general. Over the past five
years, attempts to suppress speech about the issue of Palestine
and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict have become routine, both on
and off campuses. The goal of this campaign is quite simply to
shut down political activism and scholarly exchange that explores
Palestinian experiences and/or criticizes the Israeli state. This
silencing project echoes that of the Israeli state itself, which
has systematically clamped down on all aspects of Palestinian
life while trying to eliminate signs and memories of Palestinian
existence.

Click here to continue reading:
http://www.socialistproject.ca/bullet/475.php#continue
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Why are they marching in Canada?

Seriously, what's the point?

I had the same question about why some Kosovar supporters were marching in NYC back in 98 or 99?

Go protest somewhere where it matters. Show some actual courage, rather than hiding in a safe place and screaming at the top of your voice.

Hell, I can scream at the top of my voice in my shower, and protest the injustices in the Congo.

Lotta freakin' good that will do. :p
 
I'm with Darth on this one.
I remember traveling through Kamloops BC when NATO was doing it's bombing campaign in Kosovo (think that was it). There was a large banner above a video store calling for Canadian pilots to be charged as war criminals. The question that came to my mind was "if you feel so strongly about this, why don't you renounce your Canadian citizenship (I assumed they were Serbian immigrants, could have been wrong) and go back to the old country to defend it?"
The only result I could see from it was that if I was in the mood to rent a video I would avoid the shop run by fanatics.
 
I love how these western socialists think that a Palestinian state will be the pure Marxist state the Soviet bloc never was and they always wished for, as opposed to a fundy Islamic hellhole all the evidence points to.
 
WildCat said:
I love how these western socialists think that a Palestinian state will be the pure Marxist state the Soviet bloc never was and they always wished for, as opposed to a fundy Islamic hellhole all the evidence points to.
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you must have posted that in the wrong thread.
there is nothing in this piece about creating a marxist palestinian state.
how about addressing the actual topic?
 
bikerdruid said:
you must have posted that in the wrong thread.
there is nothing in this piece about creating a marxist palestinian state.
how about addressing the actual topic?
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From your OP:

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Socialist Project e-bulletin ... No. 475 ... March 5, 2011
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I think that is where Wildcat may have gotten the association.
 
bikerdruid said:
you must have posted that in the wrong thread.
there is nothing in this piece about creating a marxist palestinian state.
how about addressing the actual topic?
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Sure it is, that's why the organizers of this event are Marxists. Why they are protesting the one state in the Middle East that has actual equality for all their citizens is beyond me. I'm sure this rally will draw the usual gaggle of anti-semites and terrorism supporters they always do. Plus a few aging 60s-era Marxists like yourself who think they're still relevant.

But mostly, it will be an anti-Jew pro-terrorism pep rally.
 
WildCat said:
Sure it is, that's why the organizers of this event are Marxists. Why they are protesting the one state in the Middle East that has actual equality for all their citizens is beyond me. I'm sure this rally will draw the usual gaggle of anti-semites and terrorism supporters they always do. Plus a few aging 60s-era Marxists like yourself who think they're still relevant.

But mostly, it will be an anti-Jew pro-terrorism pep rally.
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protesting against israel is not 'anti jew'....it is anti israel apartheid.

protesting against israel is not anti-semitism, not is it 'pro terrorist'.

plus, the protests are not marxist....they are humanitarian.
 
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Please, Israel "apartheid" is a pathetic attempt to skit around the godwin (and indeed, many of the IAW types would be stating that Israel are the new Nazis and would probably believe it if someone told them that Israel was emptying entire villages to use as mine clearance tools)
 
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