General Israel/Palestine discussion thread - Part 4

[The Great Zaganza]

Looks like smashing a crucifix will have worse consequences for an IDF soldier than luring medics into an ambush, executing them and burying them with their vehicles to cover up the evidence did.

 

[The Atheist]

Looks like smashing a crucifix will have worse consequences for an IDF soldier than luring medics into an ambush, executing them and burying them with their vehicles to cover up the evidence did.

The worldwide outrage over a broken statue of a mythical person v the lack of outrage over actual genocide speaks volumes about the power the Zionazis have.

 

[Planigale]

I suspect that many US evangelicals believe that they are respected even welcomed by Israeli Jews. The reality is that Christian Palestinians are as oppressed as Palestinian Arabs.

 

[Planigale]

A rabbi documented committing war crimes and shunned by the IDF is chosen as one those to light one of the twelve torches on Israeli independence day.

he has recorded himself gleefully demolishing Palestinian homes – his name even becoming a verb meaning to flatten or obliterate – and has delivered sermons from the ruins of Rafah promising “victory and settlement”. Zarbiv pairs it all with the traditional mannerisms of a religious leader, punctuating his threats and violence with footage of him blowing on a traditional ram’s horn, or shofar, as well as reciting prayers and parts of the Torah.

Israel's transportation minister said Rabbi Avraham Zarbiv 'expresses the path of religious Zionism, which combines values, faith and action.' The same Zarbiv who detailed and celebrated Gaza's destruction as 'tens of thousands of dead who were eaten by the dogs'

Rabbi accused of war crimes selected for Israel’s national celebration

Rabbi Avraham Zarbiv has filmed himself demolishing Palestinian buildings in Gaza while reciting religious verses.

www.aljazeera.com

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A rabbinical judge called to raze Gaza – Israel to honor him on Independence Day | Opinion

Israel's Transportation Minister Said Rabbi Avraham Zarbiv 'Expresses the Path of Religious Zionism, Which Combines Values, Faith and Action.' The Same Zarbiv Who Detailed and Celebrated Gaza's Destruction as 'Tens of Thousands of Dead Who Were Eaten by the Dogs'

www.haaretz.com

 

[The Atheist]

Fits the scenario perfectly - Israel isn't even trying to hide the fact they're committing genocide.

And why would they? Nobody's even thinking about stopping them.

 

[Planigale]

Extremist Jewish settler terrorist opens fire on Palestinian school killing child and parent. Will this terrorist attack be condemned, will the person who carried this out who has been identified be arrested, detained, tried?

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/04/22/middleeast/west-bank-settler-attack-school-intl

A video from the scene shows a man in military fatigues armed with a rifle advancing slowly on the village of Al-Mughayyir before crouching and firing at least eight rounds toward the school. Activists said the man was a known settler who has attacked the village in the past.

The killings are among a spate of attacks on Palestinian schools or schoolchildren in the West Bank in recent days, which have seen a school building razed to the ground and, in a separate incident, settlers putting up razor wire to block children as young as five from getting to school.

Palestinian boy, 14, among two killed in settler attack near West Bank school

Local officials and witnesses say attackers shot at students first then at those who arrived to help

www.theguardian.com

In a separate incident on Monday, activists said settlers used a bulldozer to demolish a school in Hammamat al-Maleh, near Tayasir in the north of the Jordan valley.

Elsewhere, community leaders said settlers from the Karmiel settlement placed razor wire near Umm al-Khair in the South Hebron hills, blocking the route used by children to reach school. Khaleel Alhathaleen, the head of Umm al-Khair’s village council, said the closure obstructed students’ movement and disrupted their education.

After more than 40 days of school closures during the US-Israel war on Iran, children in Umm al-Khair returned last week to find settlers had fenced off their path to school. When they tried to pass, residents said soldiers fired teargas and stun grenades, making many children too frightened to return.

 

[Planigale]

Odeh Ataf Odeh Awawdeh, 29, was reportedly killed near Ramallah by settler gunfire amid a wider surge of West Bank violence. Local sources said groups of settlers attacked the outskirts of Deir Dibwan in the West Bank and opened fire

Israeli settlers shoot and kill West Bank Palestinian, local medics say

Odeh Ataf Odeh Awawdeh, 29, Was Reportedly Killed Near Ramallah by Settler Gunfire Amid a Wider Surge of West Bank Violence. Local Sources Said Groups of Settlers Attacked the Outskirts of Deir Dibwan in the West Bank and Opened Fire

www.haaretz.com

 

[Planigale]

Illegal Jewish settlements accelerate

 

[The Atheist]

Extremist Jewish settler terrorist opens fire on Palestinian school killing child and parent. Will this terrorist attack be condemned, will the person who carried this out who has been identified be arrested, detained, tried?

No.

The only hope is that he damaged a statue of Jesus in the process.

 

[Planigale]

The reality of the cease fire in Gaza. Continued killing of Palestinians.

https://www.972mag.com/gaza-disarmament-trap-israel-ceasefire/

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/un-says-60-of-gaza-families-lack-daily-access-to-clean-water-amid-ongoing-strikes/3922101

Two Children Killed in IDF Strikes in Gaza as Residents Say Attacks Intensify​

The IDF said it was investigating the deaths of a 9- and 10-year-old in Khan Yunis and Gaza City, as residents have described a surge in strikes and other military activity resembling wartime conditions

Two children killed in IDF strikes in Gaza as residents say attacks intensify

The IDF Said It Was Investigating the Deaths of a 9- and 10-year-old in Khan Yunis and Gaza City, as Residents Have Described a Surge in Strikes and Other Military Activity Resembling Wartime Conditions

www.haaretz.com

 

[Planigale]

Ethnic cleansing.

Far-right Netanyahu Adviser Caroline Glick Tasked With 'Relocating' Gazans​

A source who spoke to Haaretz said Netanyahu's international affairs adviser unsuccessfully approached Somaliland and the Democratic Republic of the Congo in an effort to transfer Palestinian population from Gaza

Far-right Netanyahu aide Caroline Glick tasked with 'relocating' Gazans

A Source Who Spoke to Haaretz Said Netanyahu's International Affairs Adviser Unsuccessfully Approached Somaliland and the Democratic Republic of the Congo in an Effort to Transfer Palestinian Population From Gaza

www.haaretz.com

 

[The Atheist]

How many countries have taken sanctions against Israel so far? Zero.

Makes good comparison with sanctions against Russia and Iran, neither of which is actively committing genocide.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

Russia is, though, which is why Trump's trying to remove the sanctions. Russia specifically targets maternity and pediatric hospitals and has not returned the hundreds of thousands of children disappeared from Ukraine.

 

[Planigale]

Russia is, though, which is why Trump's trying to remove the sanctions. Russia specifically targets maternity and pediatric hospitals and has not returned the hundreds of thousands of children disappeared from Ukraine.

Can you provide evidence that Russia specifically targets maternity and paediatric hospitals?

I accept that Russia deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, in particular power, but including health care facilities.

https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p451

https://reliefweb.int/report/ukraine/1762-attacks-health-care-over-three-years-russia-escalates-its-war-ukraines-doctors-and-hospitals-phr

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

I saw it linked, probably in the Russia invades Ukraine thread, showing the proportion of hospitals targeted and how many Ukrainian women are leaving the country to have their babies safely. It's a big thread though.

 

[jeremyp]

How many countries have taken sanctions against Israel so far? Zero.

Makes good comparison with sanctions against Russia and Iran, neither of which is actively committing genocide.

Iran is still doing terrible things to its own citizens and, of course, Russia has started a war of aggression against one of its neighbours. Maybe what they are doing is not technically genocide but, if you are hiding behind that technicality, you need to have your moral compass fixed.

 

[The Atheist]

Genocide has a specific and long-agreed meaning.

If you want to change the meaning of the word to suit yourself, good show.

Has the ICC - which has no particular bias towards Russia or Iran - accused either of those countries for genocide?

 

[Planigale]

Iran is still doing terrible things to its own citizens and, of course, Russia has started a war of aggression against one of its neighbours. Maybe what they are doing is not technically genocide but, if you are hiding behind that technicality, you need to have your moral compass fixed.

I am opposed to capital punishment. I think that what Iran is doing is terrible. All these people brought to trial and condemned to death for treason or riot, or attacking the security forces, I am sure these are sham trials, and even if the trials were fair, I don't think even in time of war executing spies or traitors is right. But it is worth bearing in mind the US carries out extra judicial executions, without even the pretence of a trial, for more minor crimes.

 

[The Atheist]

But it is worth bearing in mind the US carries out extra judicial executions, without even the pretence of a trial, for more minor crimes.

Let's not ignore that USA also has an impeccable record of executing innocent people and people with intellectual disabilities.

The only difference with Iran is the number of executions.

Didn't a US president also quite recently advocate the death penalty for some journalists and political opponents?

 

[Roger Ramjets]

Iran is still doing terrible things to its own citizens and, of course, Russia has started a war of aggression against one of its neighbours. Maybe what they are doing is not technically genocide but, if you are hiding behind that technicality, you need to have your moral compass fixed.

Nope. Words have meaning. The meaning of genocide isn't technical, and using it in cases where it clearly doesn't apply is lazy - perhaps even disingenuous.

2026 Iran massacres

Between 300 and 1,500 protesters were killed during the 2019–2020 Iranian protests.
551 protesters were killed during the 2022–2023 Mahsa Amini protests.
On January 25, Time reported that a list showed 30,304 protest-related deaths recorded in civilian hospitals

Protestors are not an ethnic or cultural group, so genocide doesn't apply.

Iran's crackdown on its citizens in January was terrible. However it did have some justification.
Jerusalem Post: How deeply are Israel's Mossad spymasters involved in Iran protest crisis?

On December 29, what is dubbed the Mossad X/Twitter account in Farsi encouraged Iranians to protest against the Iranian regime, telling them that it is literally physically with them at the demonstrations. “Go out together into the streets. The time has come,” the Mossad wrote. “We are with you,” it added. “Not only from a distance and verbally. We are with you in the field.”... Foreign actors had armed Iranians to help them fight against the regime’s forces being used to crack down on and oppress protesters