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Clayton Moore said:
I'm speaking that the Holocaust was a big whooping lie. If a million Jewish children, women, and men had been killed in gas chambers in Poland the other 2 million Jewish children, women, and men who were supposedly gassed to death would have never gone to the Polish camps no matter what the threat.

The Holocaust believers are saying that the European Jewish people were stupid. We know that was never true, don't we?
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You're right intelligent people never get killed.
 
Clayton, still waiting for your plan on moving yourself and your entire family 100km across country covertly, carrying sufficient food to a coast and signalling the rescue boat.
 
MG1962 said:
Lets see your resume - I have been involved in moving 3.5 million people in 16 hours using a rail system designed and built in 1926. Moving 6 million people in three years could be done during coffee breaks.
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Indeed, I used a railroad system for eight years that carried 4.3 million people daily. That system goes back to 1904, if I'm not mistaken. It in a little town at the mouth of the Hudson River...
 
Wroclaw said:
Indeed, I used a railroad system for eight years that carried 4.3 million people daily. That system goes back to 1904, if I'm not mistaken. It in a little town at the mouth of the Hudson River...
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Yeah the situation I was involved in was the Olympics. Sydney's normal rail capacity is about a million a day. We had one specific day where every facility would be at maximum overlap and usage as well as moving the regular customers around our town.

We had the obvious dis-advantage over the German rail system. We were expected to move our people in comfort, safely and with an expectation they would complete their journey alive.

And we know the German rail system could do the job, because we know in the last months of the war they couldn't any more and the Nazis found work around solutions for moving large numbers of people they really didn't care about.
 
MG1962 said:
Yeah the situation I was involved in was the Olympics. Sydney's normal rail capacity is about a million a day. We had one specific day where every facility would be at maximum overlap and usage as well as moving the regular customers around our town.
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Interesting perspective.

We had the obvious dis-advantage over the German rail system. We were expected to move our people in comfort, safely and with an expectation they would complete their journey alive.
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In NYC, they were only ever concerned about one of those three things at any given time.

And we know the German rail system could do the job, because we know in the last months of the war they couldn't any more and the Nazis found work around solutions for moving large numbers of people they really didn't care about.
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Like marching, e.g.

I'm reminded, btw, of a job that was performed in NYC by two members of my extended family. Their job was a "pusher," i.e., their job was to push the people into the subway so that the doors could actually physically close (since the train won't move until they're closed).

My great-uncle did this at 125th and Lexington Avenue, which is, as some of you may know, was not (in the 1950s) exactly the nicest neighborhood in the world. Imagine how much easier his job might have been if he had been armed.
 
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Interesting perspective.
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It was a privilege to be a part of. Especially when you get to the end of it and realize you did account for everything that could have gone wrong


In NYC, they were only ever concerned about one of those three things at any given time.
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I had a friend working on the London Tube system in the 80's when the IRA seemed to be planting bombs every second day. The idea of rerouting a whole network on 5 minutes notice just blows my mind

I'm reminded, btw, of a job that was performed in NYC by two members of my extended family. Their job was a "pusher," i.e., their job was to push the people into the subway so that the doors could actually physically close (since the train won't move until they're closed).
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I'd heard of that in Tokyo, but never realized they did it in New York as well
 
LemmyCaution said:
Not in Claytonland, they freakin' don't. In Claytonland, rain causes iron rails to get soggy and crumble. In Claytonland, when it is cold, bullets shot from German guns freeze in mid-air and fall to the ground before reaching their targets. In Claytonland, unarmed people - beaten down by undernourishment and overwork, held captive at gunpoint - heroically resist and free every last person threatened with abuse or death, overpowering the armed guards with their bare hands. In Claytonland, it takes 100s of 1000s of these guards with guns to keep these vulnerable people captive. In Claytonland, it is simply impossible to confine some people in camps, use some people for labor, and execute other people. In Claytonland, it is also freakin' impossible to convert a regular delivery van into a vehicle in which victims can be packed and gassed to death.

Claytonland is very strange. You should visit it sometime. Going there is a very good way to escape from reality and enjoy kind of trippy fantasies and halluncinatory delusions. Really. Claytonland is quite the place.
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Now I want to know what the mascot is like.
 
000063 said:
Now I want to know what the mascot is like.
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Not enough merchandising possibilities- THIS one, though: cartoons, plush toys, sneaker endorsments...
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Originally Posted by Clayton Moore
I'm speaking that the Holocaust was a big whooping lie. If a million Jewish children, women, and men had been killed in gas chambers in Poland the other 2 million Jewish children, women, and men who were supposedly gassed to death would have never gone to the Polish camps no matter what the threat.

The Holocaust believers are saying that the European Jewish people were stupid. We know that was never true, don't we?
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The Germans were able to ship around, herd and murder by execution, forced labour and starvation millions of Russian POW's. During the rule of Stalin the Soviet Secret POlice and other agents of repression were able to arrest and deport millions of people into the Gulag where millions died. During the c. 2 years of the Great Terror (1936-1937), the Soviet secret services were able to arrest millions. In China during the late 40's and into the mid fifties the Chinese secret services etc., arrested miilions, and sent them to reeducation camps to say nothing of the millions they killed. The Khmer Rouge were able to impose forced labour on millions and execute hundreds of thousands while ensuring that over a million starved to death. The Indonesians under Soeharto were able to arrest over a million people and murder several hundred thousands in 1965-1966.

The South African government was able able to impose aparheid. THere is also Rwanda in 1994. I could mention the Iraq Anfal campaign in Iraq. The Belgian Congo in the late 19th early 20th century. North Korea has a vast Gulag also.

The list is quite incomplete of course. Isn't it amazing that governments when they set up to oppress, and in fact kill people still manage to do it, if opposition would so "easily" stop it.(sic)

So a question for Clayton were all those people oppressed / murdered by their governments unusually stupid?
 
Pacal said:
The Germans were able to ship around, herd and murder by execution, forced labour and starvation millions of Russian POW's. During the rule of Stalin the Soviet Secret POlice and other agents of repression were able to arrest and deport millions of people into the Gulag where millions died. During the c. 2 years of the Great Terror (1936-1937), the Soviet secret services were able to arrest millions. In China during the late 40's and into the mid fifties the Chinese secret services etc., arrested miilions, and sent them to reeducation camps to say nothing of the millions they killed. The Khmer Rouge were able to impose forced labour on millions and execute hundreds of thousands while ensuring that over a million starved to death. The Indonesians under Soeharto were able to arrest over a million people and murder several hundred thousands in 1965-1966.

The South African government was able able to impose aparheid. THere is also Rwanda in 1994. I could mention the Iraq Anfal campaign in Iraq. The Belgian Congo in the late 19th early 20th century. North Korea has a vast Gulag also.

The list is quite incomplete of course. Isn't it amazing that governments when they set up to oppress, and in fact kill people still manage to do it, if opposition would so "easily" stop it.(sic)

So a question for Clayton were all those people oppressed / murdered by their governments unusually stupid?
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Perhaps the greatest example of all the partition of India - saw close to 14 million people moved around in two years using nothing but their feet
 
Clayton Moore said:
The key to exposing all the lies and exaggerations is that they flow from the tongues of team Holocaust unfettered by the trials and tribulations of reality. Numbers are spit out like water off a ducks back. Never any difficulty in getting things done. Easy does it. Smooth as silk.

Glitch? What would have happened if the flow of Jewish people to the "death" camps was impeded by weather? Bottlenecks and glitches.
Staging?
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This is why the German railway system couldn't work.
 
MG1962 said:
Perhaps the greatest example of all the partition of India - saw close to 14 million people moved around in two years using nothing but their feet
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And, notably, hundreds of thousands died. Yet they kept moving. Imagine that.
 
I have no idea where cm gets the idea from that the Jews had any ability to counteract the German transports. What could they have done?
 
"The alleged Hitlerite gas chambers and the alleged genocide of the Jews form one and the same historical lie, which has permitted a gigantic political and financial swindle whose main beneficiaries are the state of Israel and international Zionism and whose main victims are the German people - but not their leaders - and the Palestinian people in their entirety." - Robert Faurisson http://robertfaurisson.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/against-hollywoodism-revisionism.html See also www.holocaustdenier.com
 
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