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Wroclaw said:
You're aware, are you not, that the warning scent was removed, right?

Of course you aren't.
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I'm aware of that particular bit of BS, Wroc. The idea that the Nazis would have used the insecticide they were using to delouse the buildings and the clothes, to kill lice, to prevent typhus, to save lives, the idea that they would use this same insecticide to kill Jews is degenerate phantasmagoria, worthy of the Zionists.
 
Saggy said:
I'm aware of that particular bit of BS, Wroc. The idea that the Nazis would have used the insecticide they were using to delouse the buildings and the clothes, to kill lice, to prevent typhus, to save lives
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Yes, because we're all aware of how protective the Nazis were of life...

the idea that they would use this same insecticide to kill Jews is degenerate phantasmagoria, worthy of the Zionists.
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What does Zionism have to do with it?
 
Wroclaw said:
Yes, because we're all aware of how protective the Nazis were of life...



What does Zionism have to do with it?
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In Saggy's insane world the "Zionists" are evil and are responsible for him working at McDonalds.
 
Wroclaw said:
Yes, because we're all aware of how protective the Nazis were of life...

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the idea that they would use this same insecticide to kill Jews is degenerate phantasmagoria, worthy of the Zionists.
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What does Zionism have to do with it?
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Actually, since the Nazis in their anti-semitic propaganda had already compared Jews to lice, rats and other vermin (To Hitler the Jews were a disease, a harmful "bacillus" that must be exterminated), it's not surprising they would use a pesticide like Zykon-B to rid themselves of the Jewish "infection."

If we view the Nazi "race policy" against the Jews as a continuum beginning with the Nuremberg Laws, the gassings at the death camps were simply the logical outcome of the Nazi's "race cleansing."

Indeed the Holocaust can be proven using only Nazi documents and Nazi testimony and physical evidence. No Jewish or Zionist "phantasmagoria" need be invoked.
 
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Saggy said:
Good post, but, like much of revisionism, it is way overkill. The idea that the Nazis would use pellets which take an hour to outgas at what, 70 deg. F, and longer at colder temperatures, and with a warning scent no less, is absurd on its face.
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No, what is absurd is your insistence that the pellets must compleetly outgas in order to be effective as a homicidal agent.
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Nick Terry said:
Uh, Saggy, I produced two examples already of academics, in public forums, using insulting language. Richard Dawkins said **** off on camera. How much more public could that be?

Anyway, if you think that academics are polite when dealing with whackadoodles, then clearly you've never read Associate Professor of Biology PZ Myers talking about creationists.

Dangerous idiot with bogus medical advice

In which I have hurt Ken Ham's feelings

wherein the tenured professor of biology, who makes it his business to comment publicly on a blog, says apropos a noted creationist, i.e. the exact equivalent of a Holocaust denier intellectually, the following:

Feel free to use the above to play Nick Terry Den Mother Bingo in the future.
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Or Bob Park on hydrinos, someone who's not noted for mincing his words when it comes to pseudoscience, nonsense and scammery.
 
catsmate1 said:
Or Bob Park on hydrinos, someone who's not noted for mincing his words when it comes to pseudoscience, nonsense and scammery.
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I challenged Nict Terry to name one 'academic' other than himself that puts gutter language and absolute trash in print under his real name. I truthfully didn't think he could do it. He demonstrated that there is one other 'academic' besides himself who puts gutter language and absolute garbage in print under his own name. He met the challenge, I was wrong, I admit it.
 
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Saggy said:
I challenged Nict Terry to name one 'academic' other than himself that puts gutter language and absolute trash in print under his real name. I truthfully didn't think he could do it. He demonstrated that there is one other 'academic' besides himself who puts gutter language and absolute garbage in print under his own name. He met the challenge, I was wrong, I admit it.
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Gotta tip the cap to Saggy for being a man on this one. More so, by far, than his cohorts. A certain leporine friend of ours comes to mind. Proved wrong, he merely runs and hides...
 
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No, what is absurd is your insistence that the pellets must compleetly outgas in order to be effective as a homicidal agent.
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The issue of outgassing would have to do with the aftermath and clean-up.

Skin absorption should be of some concern even if concentrations may not be lethal and even if gas masks are used. Bill M. Armontrout testified that people would come in with what I gather is a full body rubber suit.

Some more details from Rudolf:
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/7.html
 
kageki said:
The issue of outgassing would have to do with the aftermath and clean-up.
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And what issue is that?
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kageki said:
Skin absorption should be of some concern even if concentrations may not be lethal and even if gas masks are used. Bill M. Armontrout testified that people would come in with what I gather is a full body rubber suit.
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And you can *cite* this testimony?
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kageki said:
Some more details from Rudolf:
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/trr/7.html
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That would be the Rudolf who, after several years of arguing the proposition, was forced to admit that Chemistry was not the science which could prove or refute any allegations about the Holocaust 'rigorously'?
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Wroclaw said:
Less of a concern if the SK were dressed, which they were.



Different kind of gas chamber.



Rudolf is a liar.
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And what about their clothing afterwards? Their skin would still be exposed.

There is still gas involved.
 
Yes, Virginia, There is a Holocaust

Yes, Virginia, There is a Holocaust
by Matt Giwer, © 2007 [Sept 4]

From the Editorial Page of The New York Sun, written by Francis P. Church,
September 21, 1897

We take pleasure in answering thus prominently the communication below, expressing at the same time our great gratification that its faithful author is numbered among the friends of The Sun:

"Dear Editor--I am 8 years old.
"Some of my little friends say there is no holocaust.
"Papa says, 'If you see it in The Sun, it's so.'
"Please tell me the truth, is there a holocaust?

Virginia O'Hanlon 115 West Ninety-fifth Street

Virginia, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a sceptically age. They do not believe except they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

Yes, Virginia, there is a holocaust. It exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no holocaust! It would be as dreary as if there were no Virginias. There would be no child-like faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.

Not believe in the holocaust! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the belching chimneys on Remembrance Day eve to catch the holocaust, but even if you did not see the holocaust coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees the holocaust, but that is no sign that there is no holocaust. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

You tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, Virginia, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

No holocaust! Thank God! it lives, and it lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, it will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.
 
Yeah, it doesn't work very well when you replace "Santa Claus" with "holocaust". It also might have helped if you changed the date from 1897 to say, some time after WWII.
 
In other words, no anti-semitic Nazi worshipping scumbag can come up with a good explanation for what happened to those millions of Jews that their late unlamented role models totally did not murder.
 
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