Merged General Holocaust denial discussion thread

[little grey rabbit]

Someone please explain a poor German, what this guy is trying to say. What the hell means "pony" in this case? Is he actually that stupid to tell me, that the document is a fake?

I presume so, its difficult to see how "Brackian remedy" would have had any meaning. The document is just typescript without any distinguishing stamps, letterhead or signatures or initials.

It has "Entwurf" at the top - draft - meaning the forgers aren't even claiming it was actually sent.

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

This is the same language in which "ausrotten" means "relocate to Eastern Europe", so "pony" undoubtedly means "a factual account which does not fit into the Denier narrative and thus must be decried as a zionist forgery".

Thx, but somehow, I'm not really surprised.

I presume so, its difficult to see how "Brackian remedy" would have had any meaning.

Oh God, once again:

Oberdienstleiter Brack of the Führer Chancellery has agreed to collaborate in the production of the required shelters and gassing devices.
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As things now are, there are no objections if the Jews who are not capable of work, are eliminated with the Brackian remedy.

Can you understand the context? And Brack was in the T4 Euthanasie program, which killed thousands of mentally and physically handicapped people by those gassing devices, which technique is of course now used again in a similiar way for the extermination of the jews.

The document is just typescript without any distinguishing stamps, letterhead or signatures or initials.

It has "Entwurf" at the top - draft - meaning the forgers aren't even claiming it was actually sent.

Of course it is a forgery. Every Eyewitness and every nazi lied, all the bad bad documents are forgeries, it's all part of the great zionist plan. You are totally insane.

But hey, proof that it was a forgery and show me at least ONE guy, who was part in this vast conspiracy and talked about it!

 

[little grey rabbit]

Thx, but somehow, I'm not really surprised.



Oh God, once again:



Can you understand the context? And Brack was in the T4 Euthanasie program, which killed thousands of mentally and physically handicapped people by those gassing devices, which technique is of course now used again in a similiar way for the extermination of the jews.
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Of course I know the context. Believe me I know vastly more of the orthodox narrative and have read vastly more of the literature and documentation than you.

But that narrative was only established in 1945-1947. It wouldn't have meant anything in 1941 or 1942.

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

But that narrative was only established in 1945-1947. It wouldn't have meant anything in 1941 or 1942.

Ok, I don't get what you are trying to say (again). Do you wanna tell me, that this letter has no meaning at all and Wetzel just wrote some words, because he just likes typing letters?

No really, I don't get most of your stuff, I don't get why you deny the real crematories of Auschwitz but fantasize others, I don't get why you are doing this and I seriously don't get how you could come to such conclusions. And let me be honest, the very frist time I read your homepage, I thought it was a parody. Was I right the first time and poes law just prevents me from seeing that now?

And this "narrative" was not established in just 1945-1947. The Vrba-Wetzler Report was written in 1944.
And in his diary Kremer wrote about gassings at Auschwitz in 1942. So what you are just telling us here is giant load of BS.

Believe me I know vastly more of the orthodox narrative and have read vastly more of the literature and documentation than you.

1. I don't "believe" anything.
2. Since I don't read literature, that should be no surprise. The problem is also not the amount of literature you read, but the type of it.
3. You didn't even knew the document about the cremation capacities at Auschwitz. And this is not really a totally unknown document.

I'm german and I have read the orginal letter of Wetzel, and there is absolutly no way to understand this in any different way. I also read many other documents from Auschwitz and it is absolutly impossible, that your narrative about the holocaust is anywhere near the truth.

 

[Wroclaw]

I did answer, but I can't find it now.

It does matter. What difference does it make to you that Nazis were burning people alive or not? Is there no difference to you on that method? And for gas chambers?

Frankly, dead is dead.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Ok, I don't get what you are trying to say (again). ...<snip>

Kevin, LGR is just a blatant troll, see here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6972703&postcount=26

Its sole intention on this forum is to try to rile people up, therefore, engaging it is pointless.

 

[Wroclaw]

And when you consider that orthodox narrative states that the family camp was kept in quarantine for six months and then the moment the six months were up they were immediately taken off to the gas chambers and then the process repeated with a new batch from Theresienstadt, the inability to come up with a more coherent explanation than that is really saying something.

Who says this and when? Be specific or retract.

I think the Hoax was left with such a daft narrative here because this appeared in the London newspapers in 1944 and the Industry has been stuck with it ever since.

Ditto.

 

[Wroclaw]

So you're saying every Jewish child that survived Auschwitz was due to Mengele's experiment and therefore twins? And any other children were non-Jews and spared the Darwinist policies of the Nazis? I'm not understanding how such selections would be restricted to just Jews.

Are you honestly not aware that Jews were separated from non-Jews in their original communities before deportation even took place?

You have no idea what a ghetto is?

 

[Wroclaw]

I presume so, its difficult to see how "Brackian remedy" would have had any meaning. The document is just typescript without any distinguishing stamps, letterhead or signatures or initials.

It has "Entwurf" at the top - draft - meaning the forgers aren't even claiming it was actually sent.

You seem to think it would make any difference whatsoever as to whether a document that is incriminating had been sent or not.

I believe content would make the real difference.

It's early here and I just woke up, but isn't the Brack remedy the one that talks about the "Vergasungsapparatus"?

Tough document to explain away, if it is...

 

[Wroclaw]

Just to catch everyone up:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/19411025-wetzel-no365/

 

[Kevin.Silbstedt]

Kevin, LGR is just a blatant troll, see here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6972703&postcount=26

Its sole intention on this forum is to try to rile people up, therefore, engaging it is pointless.

Well thank god. Being a troll is still much better than being that insane. I mean did you read his blog? Holy Sh....!

Its sole intention on this forum is to try to rile people up, therefore, engaging it is pointless.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Jono]

It does matter. What difference does it make to you that Nazis were burning people alive or not? Is there no difference to you on that method? And for gas chambers?

All well and good as an inquiry would go, but still... ultimately the "nasty secret" of it all would 'just' be that more were killed by bullets and starvation than by gas.

 

[Wahrheitseeker]

So what is all this talk about emigrations and evacuations?

Where is the gas chamber in all this?

Have you actually read the Wannsee Protocol, kageki?

If you had read it, you would know Heydrich's position on evacuations (which superceded emigration, the latter banned by Himmler) was to view it as a "provisional measure" in order to gain experience for the future final solution. That ultimate final solution, as already mentioned, was to work those Jews capable of work to death in the East.

As to your ridiculous remark "where is the gas chamber in all this," it should be clear that gas chambers were a method in order to exterminate those Jews who were incapable of physical labor.

From this context comes Goebbels 27 March 1942 diary entry, where he records that 60% of the Jewish population would have to be liquidated, while the other 40% could be put to work. He references Globocnik (controlled the Aktion Reinhard death camps, in case you don't know) and the barbaric nature of the task.

So is it clear that the Nazis sought the total extermination of the Jews? BTW, your acceptance of sterilization either here or over in the CODOH Fuehrer bunker is not contradictory either (in Wannsee it is only referenced regarding persons of mixed 'blood'), as obviously a sterilized person cannot procreate; therefore, the percentage of an ethnicity will die along with a sterilized person.

 

[dafydd]

Funny thing how the judge avoided that question during Irving's trial. I take it you prefer "reconstruction".

I prefer "Jew hating git".

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Probably because its pony.

Little Grey Rabbit is Australian. I'm Australian and have never heard of "pony" meaning "fake" in Australian slang. A "pony" in Australia was the old slang name for a 5 ounce glass of beer in east coast Australia.

Little Grey Rabbit....can you link us to any document that uses "pony" in the way you have or are you inventing new meaning for words as you go?

 

[VonKleist]

Little Grey Rabbit is Australian. I'm Australian and have never heard of "pony" meaning "fake" in Australian slang. A "pony" in Australia was the old slang name for a 5 ounce glass of beer in east coast Australia.

Little Grey Rabbit....can you link us to any document that uses "pony" in the way you have or are you inventing new meaning for words as you go?

Rhyming slang I would think. Pony = Pony and trap = crap.

Difficult to tell mind, littlegreyrabbi is usually full of Eartha.

 

[dafydd]

Little Grey Rabbit is Australian. I'm Australian and have never heard of "pony" meaning "fake" in Australian slang. A "pony" in Australia was the old slang name for a 5 ounce glass of beer in east coast Australia.

Little Grey Rabbit....can you link us to any document that uses "pony" in the way you have or are you inventing new meaning for words as you go?

LGR must have been born within the sound of Bow Bells. It's Cockney slang,pony=pony and trap=crap.

 

[TSR]

It's your claim he's misquoting out of context. That is what you are required to support or admit you're a liar.

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No, it's my statement of absolute fact that we don't have enough informtation to evaluate the quote offered. We have no context, no name, not even a page number so these things ight be determined.

It is further my statement o strong opinion that this is because K has not read the book in question. This is supported by zir documented ignorance on other aspects of the Holocaust.

There *is* a liar here -- go look in the mirror to see who it is...


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[TSR]

Obnoxious nonsense challenges are good for showing the lurkers what sort of people believe in the holocaust conspiracy. But Homey don't play no mo'

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And lying about what was actually said and then running when challeneged to support that lie shows them what sort of person would deny the Holocaust...
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[Cyrix686]

There is Aussie/Kiwi rhyming slang too.

I'm a newb so I may not post links...