Gay rights vs Trans rights?

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Gay rights. Trans rights. Is there a meaningful difference?

Being Gay means that you as a man are sexually attracted to other men.

A Gay woman is attracted to women, as opposed to men.

You want you sexual choices and desires to be respected, even though they are counter to biological norms.

Being trans means you feel you literally live in the wrong body, and your body must be altered surgically and medicinally for your to be able to live the life you feel is truly you.

Is there a significant difference between being Gay and Trans?

I say there is. Being Gay doesn't require you change anything. You simply make different choices than other folks of your sex. And you ask society to accept that your choice, to be sexually attracted to the same sex as you are, is worthy of respect and tolerance.

Being Trans, today means you need to CHANGE yourself, to be yourself. You must CHANGE your body, physically and chemically, in order to be who you are in your mind. And you ask society to respect that your CHANGE, has made you into the other sex. A man becomes a woman, a woman becomes a man.

Gay people don't change anything about themselves, to be themselves. They don't ask or expect society to respect and acknowledge any change they make to themselves. Trans people do.

I think this is a huge difference, which makes the concept of a man becoming a woman or a woman becoming a man, so much more complicated and intellectually difficult.

Plus, they are all lumped together as the LGBT community, as if its all the same. It is definitely not.
 
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cow_cat said:
It's not a ******* competition. Jesus mother ******* christ.
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It absolutely is a competition. Every single entitlement for transwomen in public policy comes at the expense of actual women. And, more and more, at the expense of homosexuals. There's a whole thread discussing this horrifying reality. The only reason you're comfortable spouting such nonsense is because you've been steadfastly avoiding that discussion.
 
Hercules56 said:
Gay rights. Trans rights. Is there a meaningful difference?

Being Gay means that you as a man are sexually attracted to other men.

A Gay woman is attracted to women, as opposed to men.

You want you sexual choices and desires to be respected, even though they are counter to biological norms.

Being trans means you feel you literally live in the wrong body, and your body must be altered surgically and medicinally for your to be able to live the life you feel is truly you.

Is there a significant difference between being Gay and Trans?

I say there is. Being Gay doesn't require you change anything. You simply make different choices than other folks of your sex. And you ask society to accept that your choice, to be sexually attracted to the same sex as you are, is worthy of respect and tolerance.

Being Trans, today means you need to CHANGE yourself, to be yourself. You must CHANGE your body, physically and chemically, in order to be who you are in your mind. And you ask society to respect that your CHANGE, has made you into the other sex. A man becomes a woman, a woman becomes a man.

Gay people don't change anything about themselves, to be themselves. They don't ask or expect society to respect and acknowledge any change they make to themselves. Trans people do.

I think this is a huge difference, which makes the concept of a man becoming a woman or a woman becoming a man, so much more complicated and intellectually difficult.

Plus, they are all lumped together as the LGBT community, as if its all the same. It is definitely not.
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What about men who have sex with men who aren’t gay? Where are they in your league?

ETA: And the reason there is a “T*” in LGBT is because historically men who took on the gender of a woman could only do so in any kind of safety in the “gay” pubs and clubs, so we grew up with “them”. It’s hard to ignore the plight of your friends and neighbours. (Women taking on the gender of a man did not have the same safety issues, albeit would often be targets for abuse as many folk considered them “butch dykes”) Also there are many similarities and so on between rights for trans folk and homosexuals, one key one was always marriage, in my country a trans person can now marry someone with the same or different sex on their birth certificate.

*At the time of its initial adoption most folk would have thought it stood for transvestites as that was the uneducated view back then.
 
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cow_cat said:
It's not a ******* competition. Jesus mother ******* christ.
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seriously.






and we don't need more of these threads.
it's apparent that certain folks on this board hate trans people and don't want to feel bad about it. They have enough threads to emote.

If you are actually curious, I do find it interesting that some of my friends who had identified as gay turned out to be trans. But it makes some sense. If you are a male attracted to males, you'd assume you're gay, but then you might actually be a trans woman who is attracted to males. I personally don't care, as long as you're happy. But some people just can't stand people being different.
 
Well, maybe if conservatives, religious people, and other assorted bigots hadn't been such monsters about homosexuality, we could have had a grown-up discussion about this particular matter. But now we can't.
 
Do you accept someone with an unusual name? How about a woman who married and changes her last name?

ETA: whether you are born different and make a change or not, how about just let the brothers live their lives free and in peace, without debating what rights they should have?
 
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Do you accept someone with an unusual name? How about a woman who married and changes her last name?

ETA: whether you are born different and make a change or not, how about just let the brothers live their lives free and in peace, without debating what rights they should have?
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I don't see the analogy.
 
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