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gangstalking from a paranoid schizophrenics view

You actually didn't supply any evidence either.

Yeah see that is not how this works. Its not up to me to provide evidence that something doesn't exist. Its up to you to provide evidence that something does exist. The reason for that is because I cannot prove a false entity doesn't exist. I can no more prove unicorns are not real than I can prove gang stalking is not real, because both are fictional.

Hmm I do see they have pedo lists out there that aren't public knowledge and that people with offenses other than sex crimes find their names in them but most of them have been cleaned up. I dont find my name on any of these lists but who knows what other lists are out there?

To be honest, your beginning to loose touch with reality at this point in your post. Pedo lists? Are you talking about state kept lists of registered sex offended (pedophiles)? Thats not gang stalking, thats a government kept list of people known to have sexually abused children. You wouldn't be on that list unless you happen to..sexually abuse children.

As far as I recall I haven't ever been arrested for a crime but have associated with a few shady characters in my life. I would be interested in meeting someone with access to law enforcement lists especially someone with access to sealed or closed lists. I am wondering if my name is on there. I do know that assiociating with a known gang member puts you on a list in my state for about 10 years and I associated with one for a couple weeks

Again, this sounds delusional...

Hmm, as far as the claim that they do not exist is probably false. The main ganstalking watcher site gets 71k hits a month.

Argument ad populam. The Harry Potter website gets about 2 million hits a month, that doesn't mean Harry Potter is real.

Once again I am not interested in turning this into a discussion of my mental illness.

But I'm going to keep turning it back into that, because thats what gang stalking is: a symptom of mental illness. Its not real.

The main interest I have in police lists is that one of my alleged stalkers was a police cadet with members of his family who served in the police. I will also say that my friend, who has a son in the CIA, told me that his son stopped talking to him after he was involved in a fatal car accident that was his fault. There are obviously lists but how pervasive they are is not yet known to me.

But as your alleged stalkers are not really stalking you, it doesn't really matter.
 
Deja vu?

I'm fairly someone has brought up the whole Gangstalking thing before on JREF.
 
No actually you got lots of evidence of gangstalking here on this site. There are lots and lots of links. If you actually click on those links you will find places where people like to keep lists and information about where they keep lists. Its all on the internet acutally. The gang list I talked about was mentioned in the star tribune about a year ago and was kept by the police, 10 years for someone associating with a gang member. The list is kept secret so you can't know if you are on the list or not.

I think you are all missing the point here. Your belief is not required by me and I am not trying to convince anybody of anything. If you don't have information to add please dont spam this post.

As far as my mental condition affecting my credibility you have no proof of that as you don't know me or much about my mental condition. I assume the people posting here are not doctors of medicine and thus don't have more credibility on the subject that I do. I am not going to address any more ad hominem attacks since it seems to be encouraging you for some reason.

I suppose all that could mean is that sceptics don't normally read the news. :)

Sceptics are a fun bunch. I have taken events straight from the days news and commented on them prefacing it with I am a schizophrenic and had them argue extendedly that there was no proof to the claim until someone else came up and posted that it was in the news. I have seen an interesting youtube video that claims that scepticism is the result of too low a level of dopamine in the brain and is actually a mental condition simular to schizophrenia. Ok now I am trolling but you asked for it. I might have to make a new posting or something. :)
 
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No actually you got lots of evidence of gangstalking here on this site. There are lots and lots of links. If you actually click on those links you will find places where people like to keep lists and information about where they keep lists. Its all on the internet acutally. The gang list I talked about was mentioned in the star tribune about a year ago and was kept by the police, 10 years for someone associating with a gang member. The list is kept secret so you can't know if you are on the list or not.
"Gang stalking" doesn't have anything to do with gangs. You are conflating 2 different things - 1) a delusion held by mostly schizophrenics and 2) a police list of known gang members and associates. #2 is real. #1 is not.

I think you are all missing the point here. Your belief is not required by me and I am not trying to convince anybody of anything. If you don't have information to add please dont spam this post.
No one is "spamming" anything here. 90% of the responses have been serious and respectful.

(per your request, ignoring the stuff about your mental condition)


I suppose all that could mean is that sceptics don't normally read the news. :)
There hasn't been any news about gang stalking. You haven't posted any, and there hasn't been any. What are you talking about?

Sceptics are a fun bunch. I have taken events straight from the days news
What events?
What day's news?

and commented on them prefacing it with I am a schizophrenic and had them argue extendedly that there was no proof to the claim until someone else came up and posted that it was in the news. I have seen an interesting youtube video that claims that scepticism is the result of too low a level of dopamine in the brain and is actually a mental condition simular to schizophrenia. Ok now I am trolling but you asked for it. I might have to make a new posting or something. :)
OK, then.
 
well that was awhile ago. I guess I my isp is no longer blocked. Its somewhere on shifted perspectives a psion website. I might go ahead and do it again on another site that attracts sceptics like some of the paranormal sites and post the results here for ***** and giggles. Of course I will only post it if I get a live one as it would be too boring to post someone who actually responded.

As far as the rest of your post its all just fluff. It may mean alot to you but doesnt mean much to me.

I never studied logic but saying that gangstalking doesnt exist because gangs are real sounds like circular logic. In fact about a dozen ad hominem bells went off in my head regarding the last 10 posts but I dont have the interest in identifying them and am actually getting ready to go walk 10 miles to go to a movie.

Once again, if you want to do research to prove or disprove the subject post here. If you want to use personal attacks to spam the post please don't post. You will never be the last poster here I promise since I am on the computer alot. Yes I said alot.
 
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Ah no, they have gangwatcher meetings scheduled on their websites. I am not too sure what that has to do with the moon. Wow that's really off topic. I seem to be bringing in the fringe trolls.

Goodbye.

I have no idea if you are a sick person who really is having trouble perceiving reality. If you are, then I wish you success in finding a useful treatment. Science is making great strides in medicines for treating mental illness, so please stay in touch with your doctor.

If you are here just to play games, then I do hope you find a better hobby. This one is embarrassingly sad.
 
calebprime wrote
Let's not pile on. No reason yet to think the OP isn't sincere.

MNBrant wrote
Do not try to out troll me as this is impossible as I probably invented trolling. I say probably, as I have no evidence to confirm this.

I vote pile on ;)
 
I have spoken to lots of gangstalking victims in my line of work. It is one of my favorite topics and I'm happy to see another thread on the topic come up here. I'll be following this one.

One of the things I usually ask gang stalking victims is what proof they have of their claims. If people were systematically harassing me all the time it would be very easy for me to get proof. But then what if the stalking is so subtle that you can't prove it? Well then I wouldn't care. If the stalking was such that it was not even noticable within normal society then go ahead and stalk me all you want. I have yet to see anyone produce any evidence suggesting that they are being gangstalked.
 
MNbrant, what do you think the goal of the people orchestrating the gangstalking is and what is your explanation as to why it would take place over such an extended period of time, what is it accomplishing?
 
Deja vu?

I'm fairly someone has brought up the whole Gangstalking thing before on JREF.

We get a handful of "I've been gangstalked!" posts per year, and almost all of them are from people who suffer from a variety of mental illnesses looking to show us that they really are being gangstalked.
 
Since the OP has a 20-mile round trip walk interrupted by a feature film :rolleyes: , could anyone enlighten me as to the "psion" tag? I googled and found a durable PC manufacturer. Is this a gangstalking word? Is telepathy?
 
Oh, and by the way, you can't ignore the fact that someone self-professes to be a paranoid schizophrenic when discussing "gang stalking." Part of being a rational thinker is considering what might explain what the OP thinks is going on, and that gang stalking is scientifically known to be a delusion shared by paranoid schizophrenics is not something we can simply ignore.
 
I think this was the last decent gangstalking thread we had. We got as far as unsubstantiated allegations that the Stasi used the same techniques before that thread ended.
 
Since the OP has a 20-mile round trip walk interrupted by a feature film :rolleyes: , could anyone enlighten me as to the "psion" tag? I googled and found a durable PC manufacturer. Is this a gangstalking word? Is telepathy?

I was curious myself...I searched "psion gangstalking" and came across this post..presumably by our OP

http://www.psionguild.org/forums/showthread.php?p=61379

I guess it's short for psionics.
 
calebprime wrote


MNBrant wrote


I vote pile on ;)


Nah, he was just feeling put upon, and was trying to think of a comeback. I don't think he's trolling. However, that doesn't mean that there really are low-flying helicopters spraying things.
 
Nah, he was just feeling put upon, and was trying to think of a comeback. I don't think he's trolling. However, that doesn't mean that there really are low-flying helicopters spraying things.

Doesn't mean there aren't though.
 
I am sorry to hear you are resistant to meds. That must be awful. I hope some day there will be a cure. (( ))

http://www.psionguild.org/forums/faq.php?faq=psiguildfaq#faq_pgfaq

^Oh my.

These groups that aren't letting you join--maybe they are paranoid that you are one of the stalkers & that's why they're hesitant. Or maybe they're not checking their email. Lots of possible explanations.

It sounds like you are not sure if this gangstalking thing is really happening to you or not.

Rumors at work--that happens to everyone.

You are talking about stalkers keeping lists. I don't get why that's stalking or harmful?
 
I was going to post the facebook like stumbleupon site that someone put up with my name and my picture but they apparently removed it. They got the state wrong though. I never lived in colorado. I will move on to the evidence then right from your own site. On the pedo posting there is a link (actually they wont let me post a link because I have not posted enough.) a link is here though if you really are interested in the pedo posting) I am going to pull up a pedo profile at random and ask the sceptics how they know all of this? I actually really love the sceptics trust me! :)

Keep in mind that before 97 they were making profiles like this for anyone accused of a sex crime which includes bad language and public urination etc. It is unclear whether they are still keeping lists on people who spit on streets or otherwise flout authority but it seems likely.
Most of these are apparently kept in police files under the heading public safety. I have been to one of these sites but its locked with a password. It states that its a forum for law enforcement and concerned citizens. I could find it and link it again if I still am interested in the topic tommorrow or the next day if I am not busy.

Ok here is the bio I pulled from this site. Its not what you think. I actually havent read much of this but this is what is published as absolute fact. Let me know what you think. Ask yourself how much time and money went into getting into the head of this alleged pedo

Once again I am interested in any closed or sealed police records with my name or at least who would have access to such records. Like I said I have never been approached by police for anything but have known a few lowlifes in my days on this earth.

xxx is a pedophile who is also the co-founder of xxx and xxx, along with partner xxx. He is also a member of several other xxx sites, including xxx, xxx and xxx. (There are alot of websites named. I don't want to check out any of them for obvious reasons and I suggest you do the same)


As an activist, he has stated that believes that the government should have no place in determining age of consent laws. xxx is a heavy equipment operator who grew up in xxx with his Father and an older brother. It is not known if there are any other siblings, but he has publicly shared that his Mother left when he was 4 years old. He states that he's been around the construction industry since he was a toddler, and has worked in just about every aspect of that industry. He left xxx sometime this year to move to xxx, supposedly to take on a construction job there, as there were few job available in his area.


He is out to his family and says that although his Dad took it hard in the beginning, he has learned to accept him for who he is. In addition to being out to his family, John states that there is a younger individual "out there" who knows too, but he wouldn't go into details on the message board. (There are message boards where people share these things apparently) Presumably, it is the young boy seen in the picture to the right of this article, holding the "XXX" t-shirt above his head. (I wasn't on the site long enough to tell you if there was a real boy holding a shirt there.


XXX has shared that he was 13 years old when he became involved in a relationship with a 25 year old man. He says that he does not regret the relationship and that he initiated it himself, claiming to be "ready" for it when it happened. His adult friend was killed in a car accident when XXX was 17 years old. One of XXX hobbies is to write poetry, some of which is about this man, lamenting the past they shared before his death.


XXX AoA is 12-18, but says he appreciates all boys from ages 8 and up. He has a punk fetish and says that he likes boys who have a punk haircut or a Mohawk. XXX has also said that he loves blonds. He states he has done volunteer work at a summer camp program, in which he would assist in taking kids out for camping and backpacking.

I am not interested in the penny ante stuff I am more interested in the stuff three levels higher and I am not likely to get it here. I have been lead to believe it exists but dont have any information on it to share. Troll on then you people!

oh yeah for the reasonable reply. I think that people who think they are on lists feel they are harrassed by people viewing these lists. Think for instance how irritating it would be if someone was constantly making snide comments about you and to you at work and when you went to confront them they said that they didn't know what you were talking about. Now multiply that a few times and you have a pattern. Someone who didn't know what was happening might think they were the one who was crazy and go to a psychiatrist who told them they were indeed sick. This actually is true doctors sometimes tell you are sick when you are not in order to make money off of you. It is however unethical to say the least. At least you get the idea. I am not advocating the gangstalkers but they are saying that it is happening on an order of magnitude much higher than that. I am wondering what the purpose of herding these people who are prone to believing in this into secret groups. For instance the purpose might be to have them run errands or whatnot. I am not sure exactly
 
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So you've come to this forum asking people to show you confidential police files?

Good luck with that.
 

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