gangstalking from a paranoid schizophrenics view

[Skepdan]

Let's assume for a moment that:

a) these 'lists' actually exist
b) people circulate them amongst themselves

Even if the above is true, it seems unlikely that people would share them with some anonymous person on the internet. How would they know you're not a sex offender checking up on if you're being monitored?

To clarify, I'm talking theoretically here, not accusing MNBrant of anything.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

Need to know

Ok, I have tagged myself with the terms schizophrenic, autistic, and local business owner, I have also said I am med resistant, and haven't taken a course in logic. I will also add that I have a degree in Jewelrymaking. Based on this information you have actually no information to determine whether my claims are credible or not.

But just for ***** and giggles lets use the example of the pedo file I pulled up and asked how they could have gotten that information? I am thinking the only place they could have pulled it up is law enforcement and would have to involve the patriot act because the patriot act has a provision to force family members, coworkers, and friends, to act as informants with the threat of 8 years of prison. Ok lets look at this to see if any of this information could have been obtained anywhere but law enforcement.

xxx is a pedophile who is also the co-founder of xxx and xxx, along with partner xxx. He is also a member of several other xxx sites, including xxx, xxx and xxx. (There are alot of websites named. I don't want to check out any of them for obvious reasons and I suggest you do the same)

* I havent googled any of these sites to see if they exist. I would have no way to know who founded them or how to get their member lists. I would guess this would only be knowable by law enforcement. If there is another way to get data like this let me know. esp. if there are people selling these lists email me because I can tell you that I have had people put up sites in my name and use my email account. I know this because stuff has shown up when I am at my email that gets quickly deleted by someone.


As an activist, he has stated that believes that the government should have no place in determining age of consent laws. xxx is a heavy equipment operator who grew up in xxx with his Father and an older brother. It is not known if there are any other siblings, but he has publicly shared that his Mother left when he was 4 years old. He states that he's been around the construction industry since he was a toddler, and has worked in just about every aspect of that industry. He left xxx sometime this year to move to xxx, supposedly to take on a construction job there, as there were few job available in his area.

* Hmm, this is a grey area. It is possible that he posted some of this stuff online. Are there people out there collecting and selling postings or is law enforcement? Any ideas?


He is out to his family and says that although his Dad took it hard in the beginning, he has learned to accept him for who he is. In addition to being out to his family, John states that there is a younger individual "out there" who knows too, but he wouldn't go into details on the message board. (There are message boards where people share these things apparently) Presumably, it is the young boy seen in the picture to the right of this article, holding the "XXX" t-shirt above his head. (I wasn't on the site long enough to tell you if there was a real boy holding a shirt there.

*sounds like much of this is fabrication.


XXX has shared that he was 13 years old when he became involved in a relationship with a 25 year old man. He says that he does not regret the relationship and that he initiated it himself, claiming to be "ready" for it when it happened. His adult friend was killed in a car accident when XXX was 17 years old. One of XXX hobbies is to write poetry, some of which is about this man, lamenting the past they shared before his death.

* sounds gay. I am not really sure the purpose of this.


XXX AoA is 12-18, but says he appreciates all boys from ages 8 and up. He has a punk fetish and says that he likes boys who have a punk haircut or a Mohawk. XXX has also said that he loves blonds. He states he has done volunteer work at a summer camp program, in which he would assist in taking kids out for camping and backpacking.

* I suppose this could be true if he is really on boards

I suppose there could be message boards where people pump you for information like this but the source could be elsewhere. Its hard to tell without looking at more of them. Maybe it is not law enforcement since they don't know if he has siblings or not.

Anybody know if people are selling internet history of websites visited and forum postings? I am also interested in any other information that is being sold on the internet.

Seemed creepy before I read the posting, but they didn't know whether he had siblings or not and you would think that law enforcement would be better organized. Keep in mind that this is just a random wiki like bio, I haven't done a search to see if there's a better example. Cheers

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

Oh for all you sceptics who dont believe that I walked 10 miles to go see a movie you are right. However your adding might be off. it takes me 2 hours to walk 5 miles 1.5 hours to see a movie and 2 hours to walk back for a total of 5.5 hours. (no this is not a code. Yes it is). I walked a half hour to go see another movie that was 1.5 hours long and walked a half hour back for a total of 2.5 hours. God you are reading way too much into this.

Oh the movie I went to see is source code. Go see it. You might learn something.

 

[Sledge]

So you're still looking for confidential police files? Groovy. I'd be fascinated to learn your reasoning behind asking us for this information.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

Idle curiousity. What did you just wake up. I am going off to do something else.

 

[Pup]

But just for ***** and giggles lets use the example of the pedo file I pulled up and asked how they could have gotten that information?

As you said, it sounds like stuff he posted online in forums. Look at how much you've posted about yourself in this thread, in just a few dozen posts. People give away a lot of clues.

It's easy to see who's a member of lots of websites--just click on "members list" on the top of any page here at the JREF, for example. "Whois" information on websites gives names and addresses of the owners, unless they use an anonymizer.

People tend to hate pedophiles and, if they've ever suffered or had a family member suffer at their hands, are motivated to get revenge, either specifically or generally. That might put a particular pedophile on their radar. Most of the time, though, people really don't care about other people.

A symptom of schizophrenia is believing people care about you and are out to get you, when they really aren't. I see no reason that isn't the obvious explanation here.

 

[Sledge]

Idle curiousity.

You seem to have missed the point of my question: why are you asking us? What makes you think we have that information and will share it with you?

What did you just wake up.

I had to move a cat a few minutes ago. Not sure if she was asleep though.

I am going off to do something else.

Stop it, you'll go blind.

 

[catsmate]

No actually you got lots of evidence of gangstalking here on this site. There are lots and lots of links. If you actually click on those links you will find places where people like to keep lists and information about where they keep lists.

You mean mentally ill people showing the symptoms of their illness?

I think you are all missing the point here. Your belief is not required by me and I am not trying to convince anybody of anything.

You've already admitted your are ill hence you refuse to accept anything that conflicts with the "reality" induced by your illness.

If you don't have information to add please dont spam this post.

You really don't want any facts that might disprove your version of reality.....

As far as my mental condition affecting my credibility you have no proof of that as you don't know me or much about my mental condition.

Except what you've told us, which does reduce your credibility.

I assume the people posting here are not doctors of medicine and thus don't have more credibility on the subject that I do.

There are a few along with other medical professionals and people with experience of metal illness.

I am not going to address any more ad hominem attacks since it seems to be encouraging you for some reason.

Stating that you illness effects your credibility, when such a condition is known to cause alteration in perceived reality is not an ad hominem fallacy; it is a statement of fact.

I suppose all that could mean is that sceptics don't normally read the news.

Is this supposed to mean something?

Sceptics are a fun bunch. I have taken events straight from the days news and commented on them prefacing it with I am a schizophrenic and had them argue extendedly that there was no proof to the claim until someone else came up and posted that it was in the news. I have seen an interesting youtube video that claims that scepticism is the result of too low a level of dopamine in the brain and is actually a mental condition simular to schizophrenia. Ok now I am trolling but you asked for it. I might have to make a new posting or something.

OK.........

Look, reality is that neither you, nor the other people who perceive themselves as victims of "gang stalking", are important enough to justify such a use of resources on the part of any organisation capable of so doing. Even actual criminals don't get the level of attention and resource investment you claim.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

haha. I got my information more or less. I guess you didn't see the telepath or psion tag there but someone did. I am now going to spam this site with somewhat nonsensical stuff. Probably not this one since I already got the info thanks.

I do think its amusing that you attack my credibility and then say your not attacking my credibility.

 

[CORed]

Nah, he was just feeling put upon, and was trying to think of a comeback. I don't think he's trolling. However, that doesn't mean that there really are low-flying helicopters spraying things.

Well, cropdusting is usually done with fixed wing aircraft, but perhaps if access is really difficult, helicopters get used.

What I'm getting at is that the OP might have seen low flying helicopters, and they might even have been spraying, but if so, it probably had nothing to do with him.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

Oh that. It wasnt just my house and I actually didnt see the helicopters. I just heard them and felt strong breezes though the windows. This happened fairly regularly back in the early 80's. I lived near a large horse ranch that was abandoned and I did see spraying there. I put two and two together linking president Reagan with spraying for weed. I have late onset schizophrenia so anything past before 1999 is not a hallucination. I suppose it could still be a delusion. I will say I was making extra perception claims back then. The biggest one being what I call automatic chess. Which is nothing more than playing both sides of a chess board quickly.

 

[calebprime]

Well, cropdusting is usually done with fixed wing aircraft, but perhaps if access is really difficult, helicopters get used.

What I'm getting at is that the OP might have seen low flying helicopters, and they might even have been spraying, but if so, it probably had nothing to do with him.

Yeah, that's right.

@ MNBrant: I'm sorry that you've been treated a little rudely, but that's what usually happens in the Conspiracy section.

If you want to avoid that, you might post in Forum Community. Sometimes the tone is a little kinder there.

People there will treat you like you treat them, for better or for worse.

If you say that you're a paranoid schizophrenic, and your reasoning seems very consistent with that, you can expect people to talk about it.

If you don't want to talk about that, or things that upset you, post on some other topics.

This is a forum where there is little tolerance for strange ideas, if there isn't evidence to persuade people.

(No wish to argue about that last part. You seem to feel you have evidence of something.)

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

Yeah, that's right.

@ MNBrant: I'm sorry that you've been treated a little rudely, but that's what usually happens in the Conspiracy section.

If you want to avoid that, you might post in Forum Community. Sometimes the tone is a little kinder there.

People there will treat you like you treat them, for better or for worse.

If you say that you're a paranoid schizophrenic, and your reasoning seems very consistent with that, you can expect people to talk about it.

If you don't want to talk about that, or things that upset you, post on some other topics.

This is a forum where there is little tolerance for strange ideas, if there isn't evidence to persuade people.

(No wish to argue about that last part. You seem to feel you have evidence of something.)

Ah no I did find something but I am being discouraged to post my findings. You can make fun of me all you want. After all I did tag myself as something of a maschochist. (I forgot I made that tag)

 

[calebprime]

Ah no I did find something but I am being discouraged to post my findings. You can make fun of me all you want. After all I did tag myself as something of a maschochist. (I forgot I made that tag)

No, some people are treating you like they treat everybody who has conspiracy ideas.

Some are trying to be a little kinder.

I haven't been making fun of you, and I hope you don't think so.

You're not being discouraged from posting your findings. Rather, people here make a habit of asking for proof. That's what this site is about.

Heck, there are even other self-proclaimed masochists here.

Good day, and good luck.

 

[LightinDarkness]

Oh that. It wasnt just my house and I actually didnt see the helicopters. I just heard them and felt strong breezes though the windows. This happened fairly regularly back in the early 80's. I lived near a large horse ranch that was abandoned and I did see spraying there. I put two and two together linking president Reagan with spraying for weed. I have late onset schizophrenia so anything past before 1999 is not a hallucination. I suppose it could still be a delusion. I will say I was making extra perception claims back then. The biggest one being what I call automatic chess. Which is nothing more than playing both sides of a chess board quickly.

OP, you need to get help. Its good that you've been diagnosed and admit that you have a mental illness, but it seems to me like you are trying to create a world where your mental illness is simply a planted part of the grand conspiracy against you. Look at the sorts of "evidence" you post - you didn't see these helicopters, but you heard them through the windows (if you "felt strong breezes through the windows" then it was a delusion for obvious reasons). If the windows were closed and you could hear helicopters, but the house/windows weren't rattling, then they were not close. They were flying overhead. The military flies around the country for a variety of perfectly normal non-conspiracy reasons. Why is it you don't accept that could explain all this way (in this one case), but instead you want to keep looking for gang stalkers?

And there is one of these simple, non-conspiracy explanations for every single thing you've posted. Every single one. But you don't want to listen.

Don't you realize that while you may not have been diagnosed until 1999, it would be perfectly normal for people of your mental illness to try to make every part of their lives, past, present, and future, part of the conspiracy against them. Your mind will simply believe what it needs to believe in order to satisfy yourself that the paranoia is legitimate.

 

[sadhatter]

Huh, that sounds like trolling once again. I didn't mention hair pulling or drugs. I do not have a story to tell. I am looking for information. I do not take drugs except for trilifon or metformin. Attacking my credibility is merely an ad hominem attack. I am fishing for facts not looking for trolls with who attack me personally.

So you don't know what an analogy is?

I find this hard to believe.

 

[calebprime]

So you don't know what an analogy is?

I find this hard to believe.

Having grown up with a schizophrenic sibling who seemed to think in the same way, I don't find it hard to believe at all.

That is, you'd expect there to be difficulty with abstract thinking and understanding other people's intentions.

That's either the real thing or an absolutely brilliant impersonation.

The vibe seems authentic.

 

[sadhatter]

So you've come to this forum asking people to show you confidential police files?

Good luck with that.

i must have missed that bit in the matrix where neo asks agent smith nicely to give him information. lol

 

[sadhatter]

why do you sit here all day and post fluff. You have absolutely no idea what someone will email me. Is this what you do at your job all day?

Listen i am going to be honest here.

The reason no one is going to give you those files is because it would freak you out a bit. And apparently freaking you out a bit is part of our nwo job. So why on earth would we do it for free when we spend our days doing it for money?

 

[sadhatter]

I only go to my doctor once a year now for both my psychosis and my diabetes. I am not into feeding the medical establishment that much now that I am off disability and own my own business. Ok now go to my agnostic post and try to keep that one alive this one is dying!

Oh yeah thanks for sharing but you didn't tell me whether you loved or hated her so its not very revealing now is it?

Your doing the troll equivalent of chewing the scenery. Tone it down a notch brother.