I think Chris is right here. My understanding is that NIST didn't look carefully at thermal contraction after the sagged steel beams cooled off a bit when the fire burned out in some regions of the building.
So?
NIST is not good daddy or bad daddy. I don't think they got everything 100% right and when I'm not satisfied with what they say, I look to other sources. The underemphasis on thermal contraction in NIST is something several good scientists have pointed it out. That's what scientists do. NIST scientists are neither omniscient nor are they vicious liars.
Same with Shyam Sunder's remarks. Maybe he misspoke, or spoke down to the level of his audience. His comments are less important than what REALLY happened that day.
You are correct, you don't need NIST or Sunder to comprehend fire destroys buildings. On 911 the WTC 7 fire was not fought at all, and it was clear the building was compromised by fire as the day wore on. Chris7 says WTC 7 was CD because it looks like CD and that is due to the reality gravity is the primary energy source used to destroy buildings. Gravity collapses do not look like CD, CD look like gravity collapses induced by explosives which make big bangs, WTC 7 was a gravity collapse induced by fire, no big bangs. Thermite is out, it would be fused to the steel, and leave... yes, evidence, like piles of iron, fused to steel...
If 911 had taken place at night, would the fires look big enough for 911 truth? I hate it when 911 truth say the fires were small, not hot.
Good job debating Gage, it is equal to debating kids on Santa Claus, or a three year old on any topic they pick contrary to reality. I would not be able to debate Gage, his nonsense is dumbed down, there is no need. CD of WTC 7 is stupid, stupid at a level that defies definition. No pusher of CD has offered anything other than opinion. They could fake the differential equations, or thermodynamic BS, but they can't do it, they are not qualified structural engineers or fire science experts. 911 truth makes up fire models for WTC 7, without engineering or fire science experience, a fraud attacking NIST when they should be presenting their own models, with some math and numbers. 911 truth fails to understand models.
Paranoid conspiracy theory manufacturers make up delusions about things, and WTC 7 is the red flag of woo. WTC 7 not even a target of terrorists, burned and collapsed. Zero fire fighting measures were taken, and the building had massive damage, that is, the windows were broken helping the fires obtain air to burn freely, out of control.
The collapse of WTC7 begins many seconds before the building begins to fall; the entire collapse sequence of major structural components failing takes over 15 seconds, very slow collapse, too slow for CD. Because fire took all day to start the collapse.
The other red flag of woo for 911 truth, the attack on NIST. No need to make up nonsense about NIST to do their own work on the issues. 911 truth has no qualified people doing anything on WTC 7. CD is a delusion based on ignorance. Like a witch-hunt.
Fires not fought destroy buildings. Fires fought destroy buildings. Some of 911 truth's favorite, "look this building burned and did not fall", were totaled by fire and were too weak to remain, and were dismantled. WTC 7 would have been dismantled if it had stood. Other buildings were dismantled due to damage from the WTC complex collapse.
The Deutsche Bank Building, was dismantled. Another smoking gun for future conspiracy minded want to be engineers in 911 truth.
What is suppose to happen to a building on fire, out of control fires, fires not being fought, no water for the sprinklers?
Chris7 is not an engineer, you are debating engineering things with a layperson who makes it up as he goes, like Gage. Their proof for what they say is based on them saying it is so. It is a never-ending circular logic, goal post moving marathon BS contest, not a debate. Why can't 911 truth get structural engineers to join them? The best they can do is get people to sign up at a percentage of all engineers below the rate of insanity. If 911 truth had substance they would have 20 to 90 percent of all engineers in agreement. But 911 truth has 0.01 percent or less of all engineers who want a new investigation because they don't understand the hundreds of independent investigations already out there. How pathetic, their lack of comprehension leads them to demand a new investigation on 911.
The reason to study WTC 7 is to improve building safety in many areas, including engineering and fire sciences. Chris7 needs to publish his findings. On the Internet when you find stuff about this, all the truthers act as if Chris7 and others have actual work which amounts to a paper on this subject. Why is it not published in major engineering journals!?
Gage making a living spreading his BS position on 911. Gage has created an industry for himself, Gage has a job, Gage is successful at "begging" for money, taking in hundreds of thousands of dollars. Would I be surprised if Gage believes his delusions? Does not matter if he knows his claims are false or not, to fool others; it works. Debating him has no effect on his followers, they are too dumb to figure out 911 in the first place and will not take the effort to improve their lot.
Good job debating Gage, anyone who has the patience and tenacity to do so the way you did is great; I owe you beer for being orders of magnitude better than I. Gage has enough people and money to publish real work in real journals, but they can't, they have no rational work and their claims are delusional claptrap, fictional junk.
Gage has attracted less than 0.01 percent of all engineers; a rate lower than mental illness. He has the fringe few too lazy or not capable of figuring out 911. When 911 truth attacks NIST, it is the smoking gun they are incapable of doing independent work, don't understand if NIST is wrong, WTC 7 still failed due to fire. A double failure for 911 truth.
Did you get paid for debating Gage? Gage should pay you. What a scam; why can't I mislead people, travel for free, and earn 70k/yr? Selling paranoid conspiracy theories to the gullible. Gage runs a religion, preaching to the loyal supporters of woo. Gage, the NWO/Internet snake-oil salesman, a scam, a fraud, intellectual fraud.
