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Senenmut
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heres a new one. 25.4mm of steel in just 8-18 days! professor sisson could only get "little metal" to dissolve in 24 hrs.
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from what i remember, derailing democracy is the book. have ya heard of operation mockingbird before?
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Cat got your tongue? You have pushed thermite as the reason for the corrosion we see. You have even quoted Jones as doing an experiment filmed by the BBC using thermite with sulphur and the exact same corrosion observed. You obviously believe that you need sulphur to get the eutectic composition.
what?
why would you think one has to have the sulfur in the red grey chips?
But when I ask you to show me where the Sulphur is in the thermite Jones supposedly found you go all coy and shy like a 3 year old.
So can I assume that you now believe that Jones' samples couldn't have caused the corrosion observed because there was no Sulphur in the red layer?
Nope, I expect you'll just put up a couple of words with a smilie. If you do you should use this one
you've just been pwnd.triforcharity
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what?
why would you think one has to have the sulfur in the red grey chips?
Because he claimed he replicated the swiss cheese using thermAte, which includes sulfur.
What Jones et al. claim (falsely) that they found, was thermIte, not thermAte.
Do you see the contradiction now?
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He said what??
Yepo, he claimed that the collapses blew the fire out.
If that could work, then firefighter's don't need water hoses, we just need really big fans. Maybe we'll just buy a bunch of airboats!
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? if it was pre fab stuff, put some sulfur between layers. if i remember right, prof jones thinks the red grey chips might have been used as "matches" to ignite thermXte.
the point is that it showed the same "characteristic corrosion as found by Barnett et al. in WTC 7 steel."
we can always speculate. see above.
Nope, I expect you'll just put up a couple of words with a smilie. If you do you should use this one
yeahhhhh..right. no sunstealer, you can blow alot of smoke but you cant explain how prof sisson was suppose to replicate an office/debris fire with powders that supposedly caused the eutectic to form in the first place and then to "corrode" the steel. 15.9mm of a36 steel in just 8 days is massive.
This remains an argument from incredulity. "Massive" compared to what, exactly?
And no, the quote you have in your signature was not uttered by former CIA director Colby, no matter where you misremember it from.
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compared to the fire wise professors "who expected to see distortion and bending--but not holes."
and you know this how?
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So, that means what exactly? That sometimes something unexpected happened, that it is suspicious?
Hardly.
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Um... Maybe they called it novel cause... they didn't expect to see it?
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Aren't these the same "fire wise professors" that you and the 9/11 truth movement attack as shills and (weakly) attempt to discredit their work?
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Curtain-fall collapses
Does anyone know about curtain-fall collapses in fires? This I got from Vincent Dunn's book on Fire Safety. Looks like this may describe the Building 7 perimeter collapse, except that it's masonry/brick materials so my question --- would this kind of collapse scenario apply in a steel-framed building with perimeter columns?
Curtain-Fall Collapse
In this type of collapse, the exterior masonry wall drops like a falling curtain cut loose at the top. The wall crumbles and falls straight down, with brick and mortar forming a pile on the ground near the base of the wall. The collapse of the brick veneer, brick cavity, or masonry-backed stonewall often occurs in a curtain-fall manner. If the metal ties holding a brick veneer wall to plywood backing are destroyed by fire, or if mortar bonding between an exterior finished stonewall and a masonry backing wall is washed away by hose streams, large sections of brick or stone veneer may fall off the building's exterior. Firefighters entering, leaving, or operating near the doorways beneath the curtain-fall collapse may be killed or seriously injured by falling brick.
Another situation of potential curtain-fall collapse occurs when fire has collapsed the interior of a multi-story brick-and-joist structure and the remaining free-standing walls have many window openings with brick arches serving as linters. If one of the masonry walls starts to fall and the brick arches spanning the tops of the wall openings crumble and fall apart, the wall will fall downward rather than straight out.
Maybe an entirely different mechanism is at play here, but it's interesting to see that very fast "curtain-fall" collapses do happen in fires, not just in CD. Does curtain-fall sound like free-fall, or am I reading too much into this?
Does anyone know about curtain-fall collapses in fires? This I got from Vincent Dunn's book on Fire Safety. Looks like this may describe the Building 7 perimeter collapse, except that it's masonry/brick materials so my question --- would this kind of collapse scenario apply in a steel-framed building with perimeter columns?
Curtain-Fall Collapse
In this type of collapse, the exterior masonry wall drops like a falling curtain cut loose at the top. The wall crumbles and falls straight down, with brick and mortar forming a pile on the ground near the base of the wall. The collapse of the brick veneer, brick cavity, or masonry-backed stonewall often occurs in a curtain-fall manner. If the metal ties holding a brick veneer wall to plywood backing are destroyed by fire, or if mortar bonding between an exterior finished stonewall and a masonry backing wall is washed away by hose streams, large sections of brick or stone veneer may fall off the building's exterior. Firefighters entering, leaving, or operating near the doorways beneath the curtain-fall collapse may be killed or seriously injured by falling brick.
Another situation of potential curtain-fall collapse occurs when fire has collapsed the interior of a multi-story brick-and-joist structure and the remaining free-standing walls have many window openings with brick arches serving as linters. If one of the masonry walls starts to fall and the brick arches spanning the tops of the wall openings crumble and fall apart, the wall will fall downward rather than straight out.
Maybe an entirely different mechanism is at play here, but it's interesting to see that very fast "curtain-fall" collapses do happen in fires, not just in CD. Does curtain-fall sound like free-fall, or am I reading too much into this?
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That's exactly what happened to Tower 1 & 2. If any Truthers suggest otherwise, shut up & go back to school & actually learn something.
You are comparing steel to professors? This makes no sense.Senenmut said:
You refused to provide a source when challenged at length in this thread.
Here was another poster's (unsuccessful) defense of the quote.
carlitos said:
I think it's a fake that you copy/pasted from some conspiracy website. Would you care to prove me wrong?
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Senenmut
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it is comparing what they expected to see ( distortion and bending--but not holes) to 15.9mm of a36 steel gone in 8 days.
you can read about it here. that is the book it is traced back too. i just bought the book on amazon so if its not there, ill let ya know.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153698