Gage and Szamboti to speak at New Jersey Institute of Technology

[JSanderO]

Any layout I have seen of the Twin Tower central cores seem to show that the vast majority of the core columns were accessible from the elevator shafts.

Tony... you are wrong... LOOK at the plans for the region of the plane strike on 1wtc. 15 were within or adjacent to elevator shafts. There were only 5 shafts for elevators at those floors.... 12 local cars in 4 shafts... 2 express cars in the same shaft and 1 freights car in the contiguous shaft with the local cars.

There ya go 15 columns in / adjacent to elevator shafts

 

[JSanderO]

The collapses actually started above the aircraft impact damage, or at the very top of it where damage was light.

In addition, the first floors to collapse after the initiation in the North Tower were those above the initiation floor, not below. You should mull that over a little.

That's not true... the collapse of the top section less damaged section "fell into" the heavily damaged plane strike region... which once capacity was lost offered little to no resistance and support for the section above.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

That's not true... the collapse of the top section less damaged section "fell into" the heavily damaged plane strike region... which once capacity was lost offered little to no resistance and support for the section above.

Of course he is wrong, there is no way nitrate explosives or Sol Gel thermites survive in that area, he needs to try something else, maybe the collapses were done with invisible fire proof drones.

Or how about with invisible eye safe laser beams?

He can not even tell us why these charges that would have to be off set from the columns do not produce an enery signature in the seismic data?

Or on any of the recordings!

Tony one question for you, do you support an inert gas test of the Red Grey chips, by an
Independent Lab under Argon or N2 to rule out Carbon and Iron Oxidation as the
Primary energy sources?

Are you prepared to ask Ziggi why such a simple test has not been done and documented,
with independent verification?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Tony... you are wrong... LOOK at the plans for the region of the plane strike on 1wtc. Less than half were withing elevator shafts. There were only 5 shafts for elevators at those floors.... 12 local cars in 4 shafts... 2 express cars in the same shaft and 1 freights car in the contiguous shaft with the local cars.

There ya go 15 columns in / adjacent to elevator shafts

The plan you provide shows almost all of the outside core columns were accessible through the elevator shafts. They comprised 70% of the core strength and when taken out would cause a collapse of the core due to its then inability to handle the static load and the exterior by pulling it inward and causing the exterior columns to buckle.

This is what we saw on Sept. 11, 2001 and why there was no deceleration.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

That's not true... the collapse of the top section less damaged section "fell into" the heavily damaged plane strike region... which once capacity was lost offered little to no resistance and support for the section above.

The video clearly shows the collapse initiation occurs quite evenly at the 98th floor in the North Tower and the next stories to collapse are the 99th, 100th, and 101st. The upper section shrinks vertically before anything below collapses.

The plane impact occurred between the 95th and 96th floors at a 10.6 degree downward angle. The actual collapse started at least two stories above the major impact damage, which also only severed or severely damaged about 15% of the columns, and most of those were on the north face. The wings could have never gotten to the core after hitting the exterior and multiple floor slabs, so core damage was quite limited.

Your theories do not match observation or possible reality.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

The video clearly shows the collapse initiation occurs quite evenly at the 98th floor in the North Tower and the next stories to collapse are the 99th, 100th, and 101st. The upper section shrinks vertically before anything below collapses.

And wouldn't that collapse be induced by heat rising up the elevator shafts?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

And wouldn't that collapse be induced by heat rising up the elevator shafts?

You could not get enough heat to those upper stories to cause an across the floor collapse of the 99th, 100th, and 101st stories after initiation at the 98th story. The collapse of these stories first, before the structure below, and the lack of deceleration, is proof there were charges in the building.

An investigation needs to be done to determine who planted those charges.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

You could not get enough heat to those upper stories to cause an across the floor collapse of the 99th, 100th, and 101st stories after initiation at the 98th story. The collapse of these stories first, before the structure below, and the lack of deceleration, is proof there were charges in the building.

An investigation needs to be done to determine who planted those charges.

Wrong, fuel is constantly being loaded into those upper stories though the elevator shafts
or didn't you notice the very thick black smoke from hydrocarbon plastics in the buildings?

Oh and would you please answer my other questions, if you are truly interested in a true
Scientific investigation.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Wrong, fuel is constantly being loaded into those upper stories though the elevator shafts
or didn't you notice the very thick black smoke from hydrocarbon plastics in the buildings?

You can't be serious here.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

You can't be serious here.

Absolutely the smoke carbon black soot, is capable of generating temperatures by itself
of over 1400C in air, as it is a refined carbon black fuel source.
Also it burns with a flame that can not be seen in day light.

Other questions please.

 

[JSanderO]

The video clearly shows the collapse initiation occurs quite evenly at the 98th floor in the North Tower and the next stories to collapse are the 99th, 100th, and 101st. The upper section shrinks vertically before anything below collapses.

The plane impact occurred between the 95th and 96th floors at a 10.6 degree downward angle. The actual collapse started at least two stories above the major impact damage, which also only severed or severely damaged about 15% of the columns, and most of those were on the north face. The wings could have never gotten to the core after hitting the exterior and multiple floor slabs, so core damage was quite limited.

Your theories do not match observation or possible reality.

The wings? You do know that the wings contained enormous mass in the form of fuel in baffled tanks. This mass did not stop at the columns of the exterior. You can see from the facade damage that "something" penetrated where the wings impacted the facade and THAT was the fuel.

Only a few of the main and robust core columns were within elevator shafts in the region you say was set with devices. This is pure nonsense.

 

[JSanderO]

The video clearly shows the collapse initiation occurs quite evenly at the 98th floor in the North Tower and the next stories to collapse are the 99th, 100th, and 101st. The upper section shrinks vertically before anything below collapses.

The plane impact occurred between the 95th and 96th floors at a 10.6 degree downward angle. The actual collapse started at least two stories above the major impact damage, which also only severed or severely damaged about 15% of the columns, and most of those were on the north face. The wings could have never gotten to the core after hitting the exterior and multiple floor slabs, so core damage was quite limited.

Your theories do not match observation or possible reality.

It was something like this...
What's wrong with this hypothesis?
Go for it!

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

You can't be serious here.

Tony do you support a scientific investigation into all aspects of 9/11/2001,
Which includes attempted falsification of all claims even those of explosives like
Nano thermite?

Or are you disingenuous and only defending your own claims without attempted
Falsification?

I would kindly remind you, you are on record signing a petition to investigate all aspects of
9/11/2001.

Please answer my question.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I am arguing the opportunity part of the classic means, motive, and opportunity paradigm against SanderO's claim that the core columns were not accessible from the elevator shafts. They certainly are in all layouts of the core and elevator shafts I have seen.

We also know there was an elevator modernization project going on in the Twin Towers for 9 months prior to Sept. 11, 2001.

The above two points actually provide for both means and opportunity.

Problems with the methods abound, I'm saying it's relatively unimportant to an event that has already happened. And whoever brought it up in the first place doesn't have any explicit need for it at this point. Both because your position argues they were there, and the counterargument is that it has not been established that they were there. I personally consider it irrelevant regarding "how" as it doesn't address the more important question of "were they there, and did they start the collapse". I will assume they were there regardless of the methods of installation if/when there is evidence.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Tony do you support a scientific investigation into all aspects of 9/11/2001,
Which includes attempted falsification of all claims even those of explosives like
Nano thermite?

Or are you disingenuous and only defending your own claims without attempted
Falsification?

I would kindly remind you, you are on record signing a petition to investigate all aspects of
9/11/2001.

Please answer my question.

Yes, I support an honest, unbiased, and thorough investigation into all aspects. This would include the claims of nano-thermite being found in the dust.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Yes, I support an honest, unbiased, and thorough investigation into all aspects. This would include the claims of nano-thermite being found in the dust.

I have no problem with honest, unbiased, independent scientific investigation of anything,
Never seen that out of Jones and crew, one inert gas DSC, would have ruled out carbon and Iron. Oxidation. It would have shown self oxidizing nano thermite and yet no one seems able to do one.
I thought about it was offered chips, but knew truthers would never except anything from me.

 

[WilliamSeger]

The plan you provide shows almost all of the outside core columns were accessible through the elevator shafts.

I'm sure you meant to say "almost none" and then retract your previous assertions... didn't you?

 

[JSanderO]

I'm sure you meant to say "almost none" and then retract your previous assertions... didn't you?

If the plan for the shafts is correct Tony is wrong. On 2 perimeter core columns were accessible from the elevator shafts on these floors... and only 13 more of the total of 47... less than 1/3 were "accessible". FULL STOP.

If the plan is incorrect.. Tony can post a link or a plan which he thinks is correct.

At the base of the tower.. Tony's statement would be correct... up to the first skylobby in fact... after that he's incorrect.

 

[ozeco41]

Yes, I support an honest, unbiased, and thorough investigation into all aspects. This would include the claims of nano-thermite being found in the dust.

Tony would it be correct that you would oppose impressment of witnesses under subpoena AND the requirement for witnesses to give evidence under oath?

No subpoena and no oaths?

AND do you literally mean "All Aspects?"
-- for example energy beams from space?

Whilst such seems technically improbable on what basis would you allow use of such beams to be eliminated from consideration?

Would you require that my "Santa's Custard Hypothesis"* be investigated? To what extent? Why or why not?



* Restated in brief - Santa took the sleigh on a Sept 11 trial run after workshop repairs. Rudolph stumbled over NYC causing the custard from Santa's Xmas Pudding to fall >> took down the Twin Towers.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Tony would it be correct that you would oppose impressment of witnesses under subpoena AND the requirement for witnesses to give evidence under oath?

No subpoena and no oaths?

AND do you literally mean "All Aspects?"
-- for example energy beams from space?

Whilst such seems technically improbable on what basis would you allow use of such beams to be eliminated from consideration?

Would you require that my "Santa's Custard Hypothesis"* be investigated? To what extent? Why or why not?



* Restated in brief - Santa took the sleigh on a Sept 11 trial run after workshop repairs. Rudolph stumbled over NYC causing the custard from Santa's Xmas Pudding to fall >> took down the Twin Towers.

That's why, I specifically stated scientific, Gala Ray generators in space, would require an atomic blast or anti matter reaction and would produce a second sun effect for a few seconds.
Since only one sun appeared on 9/11, beams from space are out.