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Gage and Szamboti to speak at New Jersey Institute of Technology

ozeco41 said:
Tony would it be correct that you would oppose impressment of witnesses under subpoena AND the requirement for witnesses to give evidence under oath?

No subpoena and no oaths?

AND do you literally mean "All Aspects?"
-- for example energy beams from space?

Whilst such seems technically improbable on what basis would you allow use of such beams to be eliminated from consideration?

Would you require that my "Santa's Custard Hypothesis"* be investigated? To what extent? Why or why not?



* Restated in brief - Santa took the sleigh on a Sept 11 trial run after workshop repairs. Rudolph stumbled over NYC causing the custard from Santa's Xmas Pudding to fall >> took down the Twin Towers.
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What about my "aircraft flew under the Pentagon" hypothesis?
 
Notconvinced said:
Chiming in here.... the collapse of all three towers must be reconciled. The bombing (I mean "plane crash") at the Pentagon and shoot down (I mean "heroic crash") of 93 could be left as is. Certainly some "fringe thinkers" would continue the debate, but by leaving PENTBOM out of any new investigation, you might avoid a civil war. A tidy approach might be to designate an acronym which orchestrated the bombings in NY, pardon the players, and then dissolve the acronym in outrage. Another alternative I'm certain has been explored is to blame another Nation State, and this may in fact be just. Even in that scenario, we could 'give peace a chance'.

Alternatively you could run amuck with subpoenas through certain VA corporations and Agencies and truly prosecute what was arguably the most treasonous action this Country has ever seen. Should we short-sell SAIC before there's blood in the streets?
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Tony Szamboti said:
I would go along with what you are saying here. Certain things do need to be reconciled and the nonsense needs to stop. However, we also do not need a civil war and more blood shed over it. David Griffin proposed something along the lines of what South Africa did a while back in a reconciliation where things were admitted under immunity and pardons .
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Am I the only one to notice the assumption of deliberate destruction by means other than hijacked aircraft, in these two posts.

Its not an unbiased investigation either poster wants. Its a witch hunt.
 
jaydeehess said:
Am I the only one to notice the assumption of deliberate destruction by means other than hijacked aircraft, in these two posts.

Its not an unbiased investigation either poster wants. Its a witch hunt.
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Isn't that how unbiased works? They investigate to find how others are biased to your view.............:D
 
jaydeehess said:
Am I the only one to notice the assumption of deliberate destruction by means other than hijacked aircraft, in these two posts.

Its not an unbiased investigation either poster wants. Its a witch hunt.
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The guilt of imaginary perpetrators is smuggled in despite not having a single shred of evidence of the imaginary crimes. Meanwhile, the folks actually guilty of crimes are apparently given a free pass.

I'm sure I have some blind spots too, but wow.

Wow.
 
jaydeehess said:
Am I the only one to notice the assumption of deliberate destruction by means other than hijacked aircraft, in these two posts.

Its not an unbiased investigation either poster wants. Its a witch hunt.
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No you are not the only one - assumption of a pre-decided outcome is blatant. And it is SOP - the trademark "error" - in ALL of Tony Szamboti's main claims. Though describing it as "error" is being generous when it is deliberate mendacity.

However I think your assessment of motivation is wrong. Wrong in priority. Yes they are after a witch-hunt but that is third or lower down their priorities - it is only the pretend fantasy to support their true objective.

The primary goal of both is - IMO - attention seeking ego games. One by transparent comedy - the other by stubborn sticking to false assertions when he has been made fully aware of fatal flaws in is claims. Every response they get satisfies the need for ego stroking. Better to be known as a "pretender" or a "conspiracy theorist" than to be unknown.

THEN - if we credit any "genuine goal" it is political - and arguing any technical issue will not progress a political purpose - especially when both are fully ware that there is no substance in the technical claims.
 
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Bravin Neff said:
The guilt of imaginary perpetrators is smuggled in despite not having a single shred of evidence of the imaginary crimes.
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It starts earlier in process than that. They refuse to even define the crimes which are alleged with enough specificity to allow relevant evidence to be identified - whether it exists or not.

Bravin Neff said:
Meanwhile, the folks actually guilty of crimes are apparently given a free pass.
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Same comment EXCEPT you have added another layer of ambiguity. ;)

Bravin Neff said:
I'm sure I have some blind spots too, but wow.

Wow.
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Most members have blind spots. I'm probably a rare exception - I routinely look for any blind spots I may have already or may be developing. So far I have never seen one. So I'll keep my thumbs crossed.

:runaway
 
Notconvinced said:
.... the collapse of all three towers must be reconciled. ...
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Already done for rational people.

Notconvinced said:
The bombing (I mean "plane crash") at the Pentagon ...
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LOL, the no blast kinetic energy impact of a 757 is called by 911 truth due to BE, a bombing? So 911 truth can't do physics, or understand steel, fire and science. No big deal, a fringe few who have delusion on 911 based on BS.
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2003/01-PBPR.pdf
Are you spreading lies on purpose, or due to lack of research?
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/blast/pentagon_september11_2001.cfm
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and shoot down (I mean "heroic crash") of 93 could be left as is. ...
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The USAF is not missing any missiles on 911; another lie, or BS?
The proof is on the CVR... oh my, and the FDR show 93 was operational until it hit the ground. You failed to study the FDR? Kind of bad science.

How can 911 truth make up dumber claims than these? 911 truth will find a way.

Notconvinced said:
Certainly some "fringe thinkers" ...
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Are running 911 truth based on lies, ignorance and BS.

CD, bombing, shoot down, ... when it was fire, a 757 at 483.5 knots, and Passengers on Flight 93 who figured out 911 over 14 years before you and 911 truth, and Flight 93 Passengers took action... what is 911 truth's excuse, too much time?

911 truth spreads lies, Flight 93 Passengers Stood Up and Took Action... the truth in not found in 911 truth.
 
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beachnut said:
The proof is on the CVR... oh my, and the FDR show 93 was operational until it hit the ground. You failed to study the FDR? Kind of bad science.
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Oh I don't know that NT is unfamiliar with the CVR/FDR from 93. He may simply brush it aside as obviously faked. Evidence of it being fake? It contradicts what he believes in, a shoot down, therefore its fake. Since its fake it is evidence of a shoot down.


Yes, obvious circular reasoning is obvious.
 
ozeco41 said:
It starts earlier in process than that. They refuse to even define the crimes which are alleged with enough specificity to allow relevant evidence to be identified - whether it exists or not.
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On the rare occasion that a TM'r does name a person and a crime (usually something rather broad such as treason) they are of course asked what evidence there is of this. The answer is a combination of:
- He was in charge
- Out of context quotes from the person
- "Its obvious" .... therefore burn the witch

OR

the backtracking begins and the "crime" is obvious and "we need an investigation to find out who dunnit". Of course whether or not there was a crime beyond 19 fanatics hijacking 4 aircraft and using them as suicide bombs IS what has been argued in this and other forums for 14+ years now. Not too "obvious" apparently.
 
jaydeehess said:
On the rare occasion that a TM'r does name a person and a crime (usually something rather broad such as treason) they are of course asked what evidence there is of this. The answer is a combination of:
- He was in charge
- Out of context quotes from the person
- "Its obvious" .... therefore burn the witch

OR

the backtracking begins and the "crime" is obvious and "we need an investigation to find out who dunnit". Of course whether or not there was a crime beyond 19 fanatics hijacking 4 aircraft and using them as suicide bombs IS what has been argued in this and other forums for 14+ years now. Not too "obvious" apparently.
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This study may simply be a save face effort, and may conclude that damage and fire brought
the buildings down, allowing certain truthers the opportunity to back pedal into respectability.
That seems to be what the study is designed to do.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
This study may simply be a save face effort, and may conclude that damage and fire brought
the buildings down, allowing certain truthers the opportunity to back pedal into respectability.
That seems to be what the study is designed to do.
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I can see that as a possible outcome. "Until this study, funded by concerned citizens interested in the truth behind the 9/11 building collapses, the true cause of WTC7's collapse was completely unknown. Now that we have made the startling and unprecedented discovery that it was due to the 7-hour unfought fire, we are free to turn our attention to the cruise missile fired at the Pentagon..."

Dave
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
This study may simply be a save face effort, and may conclude that damage and fire brought
the buildings down, allowing certain truthers the opportunity to back pedal into respectability.
That seems to be what the study is designed to do.
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I believe it's designed to raise money for Gage.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Since this is supposed to blow the lid off the conspiracy, one has to wonder why Gage's investment is so little so late.
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Only if you interpret Gage's primary objective as "blow the lid" :rolleyes:

.. the delay is consistent with three other objectives:
-Prolong the alleged controversy;
-Provide reliable income; AND
-Extending opportunities for ego rewards.
 
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