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richardm said:
Hoo boy, you've not been paying attention :D
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Numbers 2, 4 and 6 could be out of World of Warcraft. Actually, I think 4 and 6 are the same outfit.

Speaking of bodyguards, note that of the five women in photo #6 no two wear same uniform.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Where did you hear that? I was on a Frigate in the South Atlantic, when we heard everyone on the ship cheered, there was no way we wanted to meet a six inch cruiser and I am damn sure they would have sunk us if they had the chance, rheir air force certainly did.
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A documentary from several months back, maybe even last year, IIRC. Whether it was a programme about the Falklands, or about shoddy journalism I can't remember.

I did find a source* cited on Wiki (I know!) from a journalist at the time, claiming copies of The Sun had been tossed overboard from one of the ships.

* - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sun_(United_Kingdom)#cite_note-22
 
richardm said:
All of that was just post-hoc PR though. I doubt there were many sailors at the time softening their hard tack with tears of grief over the Belgrano. There was a war on, after all.
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I am not debating the British sailors opinion on the matter, just suggesting the poster may have mixed the public reaction to the event in their mind
 
commandlinegamer said:
A documentary from several months back, maybe even last year, IIRC. Whether it was a programme about the Falklands, or about shoddy journalism I can't remember.

I did find a source* cited on Wiki (I know!) from a journalist at the time, claiming copies of The Sun had been tossed overboard from one of the ships.

* - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sun_(United_Kingdom)#cite_note-22
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Public reaction at the time was positive. It was a well known trouble causing Labour MP that made a fuss. If you come across an enemy warship you sink it. There was no doubt they would have tried to sink any of our ships hey came across.
After the war there were some anti war typs that tried to say because the ship wasn't in the Exclusion Zone we were enforcing around the islands we shoudln't have attacked. They forget the zone was an area where any ship would have been open to action. Argentinian ships were fair game anywhere.
Blame the poor quality of the crew and the incomeptent Captain who was steaming with no watertight integrity and his crew stood down.

We went to an action footing as soon as we were on the way south, we knew they had subs as well.

Sorry this is a complete hijack. I will say no more.
 
Eddie Dane said:
I once read that he wanted satellite states in sub-Saharan Africa.
Allegedly he financed the likes of Charles Taylor.

I'm at work and can't check it now, maybe someone else can look around.
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One of things I find interesting is the lack of mention in the Media of Gaddaffi's policies in the Shael region of Africa where his continual interference hepled bring about and increase chaos and corruption. Io give the main example. Gaddaffi's interference in the long standing civil war in Chad. Gaddaffi was interested in taking over a slice of Chad called the Aouzou strip and in the process of trying to get secure control of it and to turn Chad into a puppet state supported at different times different factions in the Chadian civil war aside from sending thousands of Libyan troops into Chad beginning in 1978. The result was thousands of Libyan dead. In 1986/87 when the Chadian factions briefly united Libyan units despite massive firepower superiority were cut to pieces by the Chadians and the Chadians even invaded Libya destroying a major Libyan base at Maatan as-Sarrah, deep within Libya. Forunately for Gaddaffi the French stopped the Chadians from continuing their attack. Didn't want the oil flow disruped although humilating Gaddaffi was a good thing.

Afterwards the Chadian factions started fighting again and a faction that Gaddaffi supported took over. That didn't help Gaddaffi get the Aouzou strip, before hand Gaddaffi had agreed to allow a international tribunal to judge the case. They ruled in favour of Chad, and since it was very clear that the new Chadian government would fight Gaddaffi for the strip and frankly by past performance the Libyans were no matvch for the Chadians Gaddaffi withdrew from the Aouzou strip.

One of the more unplesant aspects of this war was Gaddaffi's airforce bombing of towns and villages in Chad.

Oh and in 1979 Gaddaffi showed his respect for human rights by sending several thousand Libyans to shore up the regime of Idi Amin in Uganda. Were the Libyans were badly beaten by the Tanzanians despite immense fire power superiority.

Gaddaffi had a long record of being involved in military actions that ended badly for him. This civil war defeat was just the last.
 
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Eddie Dane said:
I once read that he wanted satellite states in sub-Saharan Africa.
Allegedly he financed the likes of Charles Taylor.

I'm at work and can't check it now, maybe someone else can look around.
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Ok, here's some:

Charles Taylor, Foday Sankoh, Blaise Compaoré, Ibrahim Bah and Idriss Deby were just a few to graduate from the WRC*. They formed a powerful association that relied on the backing of Gaddafi to carry out their baneful activities. It was a criminal network that was centred on the exploitation of minerals including diamonds for the personal wealth of these individuals.
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http://newafricaanalysis.co.uk/index.php/2011/03/gaddafi-a-penchant-for-war-crimes/

http://www.shout-africa.com/top-story/libya-indict-muammar-gaddafi-now-for-war-crimes-in-sierra-leone/

http://www.thomassankara.net/IMG/article_PDF/article_a1055.pdf

During his statement, Griffiths* insisted on the fact that Ghaddafi is one of the key people by whom the war strengthened in Sierra Leone. He mentioned a handwritten letter dated the 4th of December. It's from Corporal Foday Sankoh, leader of the RUF to brother Mohammed Talibi, People's Bureau of Libyan Arab People's Jamahiriya, Accra, Ghana. In this letter Sankoh wrote that the officials of Burkina Faso "really have not shown any keen interest in assisting us as a movement. I even had conversation with Commandant Diendéré these few days but with no positive results. I would therefore suggest that you prepare a letter for me to meet President Compaoré on this issue, as we never received anything from them, and even my delegates at Ouagadougou have returned ever since to my location here. Please advise on this issue."
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*Courtenay Griffiths, lawyer for Charles Taylor.

Al J. Venter's War Dog contains quotes from South African mercenaries who fought the RUF in Sierra Leone stating that it was common knowledge on the ground that Gaddaffi funded that force for a stake in the diamond fields there. Apparently despite the base brutality and wanton slaughter, infanticide and mutilation of all sexes and ages, mosques were conspicuously ignored by Sankoh's thugs. I'll dig for pages to site if anyone's interested.
 
You prolly don't remember the photos of Mussolini, but I saw them waaay back when..
And from our proud western heritage... the Dalton gang.
Exhibiting the corpse(s) of the bad guys is/was common.
 

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I Ratant said:
You prolly don't remember the photos of Mussolini, but I saw them waaay back when...
Exhibiting the corpse(s) of the bad guys is/was common.
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And it's the smart thing for the victors to do. Discredits any of his supporters starting rumours that he's actually still alive somewhere out there.

Dumb thing to do is have video leaking out showing him about to be murdered. So much for the "caught in the crossfire of a fire fight" story. Which I doubt many people believed, anyway.
 
I Ratant said:
You prolly don't remember the photos of Mussolini, but I saw them waaay back when..
And from our proud western heritage... the Dalton gang.
Exhibiting the corpse(s) of the bad guys is/was common.
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But setting up visiting hours and letting people take pictures of themselves with the body isn't exactly what happened with Mussolini and the Dalton gang, I would assume. I have little objection to the man's body being displayed, so long as it is handled with dignity; this was not.
 
Dignity is not a word one can use to describe -anything- that occurs in the Middle East.
 
I Ratant said:
Dignity is not a word one can use to describe -anything- that occurs in the Middle East.
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What's undignified about making a pot of mint tea and sharing with your friends?


Darat said:
This is one of those instances where I can't really drum up any enthusiasm for the thought that it would have been better for Libya and the world if he had stood trial.
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You miss the point. It would have been much worse for all his former "friends" outside Libya.
 
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There is the Israeli soldier who responded with dignity to the kidnapping/imprisonment ordeal, saying he wanted peace for everyone at the exchange, as opposed to the Hamas killer who said he'd do it again after his release in exchange for the Israeli.
Some mind sets are just plain undignified, no matter how the tea tastes.
 
The Don said:
So he's alive, but we'll never hear from him again.

Riiiiiight !

I suppose there's no way of proving that he's dead:

- Video - faked
- Body - double or faked
- DNA - faked
- Identification by loved one - stooge or false identification
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I think that a body double is impossible. He's lying on lit de parade in a shopping mall. And since he shoved his face into the lybians for some 40 years, they know all his featuers better than himself. They can probably identify him from a randomly chosen square centimeter of his face.
 
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