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Eddie Dane said:
This day will go down in history as the day that Hamid Karzai became the man with the world's most outrageous fashion sense.
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There is no chance that anyone, not even Karazi, beats Kim Jong-il at it. No chance whatsoever.

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I was listening to Radio 4's PM programme last night. It featured near the end, an interview with a survivor of the WWII Arctic Convoys.

The sailor described at one point, shooting torpedos at a German vessel and how he as he did so, he had tears in his eyes thinking that every one aboard had family who would never see their loved one again. But he had to do it: it was an 'us or them' situation.

That man had more dignity and humility than could ever be hoped to be found at The Sun or similar tabloids, who only are able to print their appalling stories because of the sacrifices of so many, seventy years ago.

I also recall hearing that many sailors were sickened by that paper's headline "Gotcha", on the sinking of the Belgrano in the Falklands War.
 
Father Dagon said:
Well, they crucified News of the World and all their sins went away.

The very the idea that it was for Lockerbie is sickening. As if people after some 40 years didn't want payback? No, let's do it for those who openly supported him for the last eight years.
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Do it for something he really did. I'm sure there's no shortage of candidates.

The whole Yvonne Fletcher thing is murky too. I don't give any credit to the conspiracy theories on that one (essentially it's said to be a MIHOP, which seems preposterous), but I don't think there's anything to support there having been an order from Gaddafi to kill a British cop.

His behaviour domestically is the real horrorshow, but that's not enough for some people.

Rolfe.
 
I have no love at all for Gadaffi, but if as reports suggest he was killed after surrendering, then that horrifies me.

Additionally, it saddens me deeply that his two young children were killed when he was. Gadaffi was a brutal and horrible dictator, his 8 year old daughter was not.

EDIT: looking into this, I was wrong about when Gadaffi's children died. They were killed in his removal from offive, but not in his capture.
 
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Rolfe said:
Do it for something he really did. I'm sure there's no shortage of candidates.

The whole Yvonne Fletcher thing is murky too. I don't give any credit to the conspiracy theories on that one (essentially it's said to be a MIHOP, which seems preposterous), but I don't think there's anything to support there having been an order from Gaddafi to kill a British cop.

His behaviour domestically is the real horrorshow, but that's not enough for some people.

Rolfe.
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I once read that he wanted satellite states in sub-Saharan Africa.
Allegedly he financed the likes of Charles Taylor.

I'm at work and can't check it now, maybe someone else can look around.
 
Father Dagon said:
However, that court won't sentence anyone to death. And even an imprisoned Gadaffi would be a threat against Libya. And the trial against Saddam left a lingering taste of show trial (and that they couldn't even pull of dignified and technically flawless execution of him gave Iraq even more problems with its legitimacy).

So that he's dead is probably the best for everyone.
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This is probably been said before in the two pages I've not read yet, but:

All these former-dictator trials are farces; look at Saddam, Hosni Mubarak, Radovan Karadzic et al. I'm not saying that former dictators shouldn't have trials. I'm just saying that they're farces and going nudge-nudge-wink-wink.

Besides, dying fighting for his country is what Gadaffi said he wanted. And even if there might have been a bit more of an element of being shot-like-a-dog than he wanted, well.
 
arthwollipot said:
As a friend of mine said on Facebook: I'm all in favour of getting rid of mad dictators. I'm really uncomfortable with gloating about it.
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Or, as my wife put it this morning; "I think it's awful, people celebrating somebody's death like that. By the way, have you got the tickets for the Scouts' firework night yet?"

Dave
 
Lamuella said:
Additionally, it saddens me deeply that his two young children were killed when he was. Gadaffi was a brutal and horrible dictator, his 8 year old daughter was not.
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Two things about that; first of all as far as I can tell he didn't have an 8 year old daughter*, and secondly if he did, and knew he was going to tooling about the countryside pursued by very cross and heavily armed people while being targetted by drones and aerial bombardments, and given that the rest of his children went to Algeria with his women earlier on, then whose fault is it really?

Edit: Scenes shown by The Telegraph show clearly that he was alive after being captured, but look at the hysterical mob surrounding him. It's small wonder that he was shot, the surprising part is that more people weren't.


*This is according to a brief internet perusal and I'm quite prepared to be wrong - my second point still stands though.
 
Dave Rogers said:
By the way, have you got the tickets for the Scouts' firework night yet?"
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Well, don't take any lessons from those guys celebrating Gaddafi's death with fireworks yesterday.

It's as though they've never even glanced at the Firework Code :mad:
 
little grey rabbit said:
To be honest when I heard most of his children had gone to Algeria a month or so ago, I assumed that Gaddafi had gone with them but this was kept quiet to spare Algerian embarrassment.

Actually, I still think that is probably what has happened.

I guess the good thing about being announced officially dead in a drain (with lovely graffiti) is that now you are free to do whatever you want.

Three cheers for us. Now, how about another crucifix desecration ritual - they are always fun aren't they?
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So you think that everyone got together to..........no. I'm not doing it.
 
little grey rabbit said:
To be honest when I heard most of his children had gone to Algeria a month or so ago, I assumed that Gaddafi had gone with them but this was kept quiet to spare Algerian embarrassment.

Actually, I still think that is probably what has happened.
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I don't understand, are you saying he is still alive?
 
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The real tragedy about him not being caught alive is that he can never be asked how to spell his name in English.
 
Lamuella said:
I have no love at all for Gadaffi, but if as reports suggest he was killed after surrendering, then that horrifies me.

Additionally, it saddens me deeply that his two young children were killed when he was. Gadaffi was a brutal and horrible dictator, his 8 year old daughter was not.

EDIT: looking into this, I was wrong about when Gadaffi's children died. They were killed in his removal from offive, but not in his capture.
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My understanding is that he was shot, surrendered, but then died of his wounds afterwards. And I'm guessing the people whom he surrendered weren't exactly in a rush to find a hospital.
 
commandlinegamer said:
I was listening to Radio 4's PM programme last night. It featured near the end, an interview with a survivor of the WWII Arctic Convoys.

The sailor described at one point, shooting torpedos at a German vessel and how he as he did so, he had tears in his eyes thinking that every one aboard had family who would never see their loved one again. But he had to do it: it was an 'us or them' situation.

That man had more dignity and humility than could ever be hoped to be found at The Sun or similar tabloids, who only are able to print their appalling stories because of the sacrifices of so many, seventy years ago.

I also recall hearing that many sailors were sickened by that paper's headline "Gotcha", on the sinking of the Belgrano in the Falklands War.
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I agree with this.

I think the gloating and triumphalism is sickening and despicable. And ghoulish and barbaric.
 
little grey rabbit said:
Don't just take my word for it, take the word of the Jamahiriya News service, temporarily operating from a free wordpress blog

Anyway, I don't expect we will be hearing from him again.
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So he's alive, but we'll never hear from him again.

Riiiiiight !

I suppose there's no way of proving that he's dead:

- Video - faked
- Body - double or faked
- DNA - faked
- Identification by loved one - stooge or false identification
 
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