Fyziks 101

[Grizzly Bear]

Here's a perfect example of CD. Look at the structure standing straight up at the 16 second mark.

*Brian Regan voice* Yes, that's the remnants of the core structure... thank you for proving my point /*Brian Regan voice*

Watch how it descends STRAIGHT down in seconds!

You're implying that this is strange? Considering it's almost 60 stories of [now] unbraced column length... how is this supposed top be strange that is also collapsed?

Sorry, controlled demolition does not leave behind standing structural members. A controlled demolition aims to cripple it to induce collapse. The fact that they continued to stand proves that the collapse was never initiated at those floor levels

Here turbo... I'll try to be optimistic and hope this teaches you the concept... I won't hold my breath

LINK

ETA: Assuming you even bother to check the link... pay special attention to the area in orange That is the difference braced vs. UNbraced

See it again at 1:52

And...?
Nothing too different unless the title of that video is supposed to tell me something: Strange Phenomenon of Steel Turning Into Dust

That would be a red herring

I already went over why the core collapsed afterwards... I can repeat it ad nauseum, but it seems you are incapable of comprehending the concept.

How does it fall straight down? Something called 'gravity'. Why do you ignore this concept?

Keep spinning and denying.

You are doing a fine job of it turbo.

Hey , what's the GL excuse for this anyway

Going back to semantics again? Then don't disappoint me with cliché insults... you've done enough to entertain me with your alien physics... or 'fyziks' as you put it.

STRAIGHT! LMFAO!

I'm glad you're able to laugh at your own humiliation
A gift that keeps on giving!

Nicepants:
Imagine a steel beam sticking straight up in the air.
Now imagine that steel beam telescoping down (vertically, straight, etc.)
into the ground.

Not only has that entire length of core structure lost it's lateral stability, it has debris landing all around it on the ground, 10's of thousands (if not much more) of it, now affecting the structure from below Considering that large parts of the core were also dragged down by the main collapse, this is not out of the question for the later span of time as the main collapse finishes for debris to have struck the core as well.

Is that acceptable to you based on gravity?

Once the connections were compromised the only thing they could do was fall because gravity pulls objects down
To believe that they would have continued to stand indefinitely is simply wrong....

My answer (to the bold) is because they are not looking at the video evidence shown. They refuse to broadcast it (WTC7, Pentagon, etc.).

So you're also implying that countries hostile to the US wouldn't dare show such evidence? Iran, Syria, North Korea, Venezuela... they'd wet themselves over such an opportunity to expose the United States in this fashion. Remember, this event was seen LIVE across the globe. Why aren't countries hostile to the United States taking advantage of this revolutionary evidence of mass murder?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Wildcat,

Show me a response from anyone explaining how the structure drives
straight down in a matter of seconds?

Still waiting for an answer from everyone, especially

- Confuseling
- d'rok 3 times avoiding question
- SDC
- Newtons Bit Admits to avoiding response. Probably not schooled
enough to give a comprehenisve answer to the question
- uk_Dave
- R. Mackey
- Pomeroo
- Nicepants 3 times avoiding question
- Wildcat 3 times avoiding question
- bje
- Mr. Herbert
- Anti-sophist
- Beachnut
- Reheat

UK dave explained to you pretty much exactly what happened

The cluster of core columns left standing after the failure of the perimeter and internal floors was laterally unrestrained and the joints between the individual lengths of steel failed as the columns moved out of upright.

 

[nicepants]

... to name a few.

Still waiting for an answer from everyone, especially

- Nicepants 3 times avoiding question

Repost for turbofan:

I answered your question in post #353, #364. (Prior to the 2nd and 3rd times you asked for an answer)

 

[Confuseling]

"Avoiding question" isn't a definite quantity, like "over drink/drive limit", dear.

It's "has avoided the question three times."

Been schooled?

 

[rwguinn]

Anybody see a goalpost around here?
I swear i saw it a couple of pages ago...

 

[~enigma~]

Repost for turbofan:

Reading is not his strong suit.

 

[phunk]

Turbo, you're taking "straight down" way too literally, no one other than you is suggesting the stack of columns should have stayed perfectly vertically aligned and driven itself into the ground like a giant nail. The core section that remained standing had the rest of the building collapsing around it. It drops almost straight down in that video because the parts holding it up were destroyed by the rubble piling up at its base.

 

[Turbofan]

A single solid steel beam has no capacity to "telescope" (gravity-induced or otherwise).

Did I misunderstand your explanation.....or are you using the wrong word again?

Wow, you're so good at twisting stuff around. Do you work for the Pentagon?

Replace single solid steel beam with "steel structure".

I'm pretty content with the replies thus far. It really confirms what I
already knew.

The cluster of core columns left standing after the failure of the perimeter and internal floors was laterally unrestrained and the joints between the individual lengths of steel failed as the columns moved out of upright.

This makes absolutely no sense? The structure left standing suddenly
decides to break apart? Laterally unrestrained, so it decides to vertically
impale itself into the ground.

Go to bed believing all of this! Smile and wave as your stupid government
kills innocent people in IRAQ, AFGAN., and next IRAN.

Oh yeah, those wars were waged without linking proof to 9/11.

 

[beachnut]

A single solid steel beam has no capacity to "telescope" (gravity-induced or otherwise).

Did I misunderstand your explanation.....or are you using the wrong word again?

Teleported down, he has a new theory, the WTC was teleported to destruction.
A new theory! Individualism breaks thought the cult movement lockstep, and invents a new theory. Breaking free from other nut case ideas… "what" ... oh...

…hunh… Telescope?
Oh, never---mind.

Anybody see a goalpost around here?

I swear i saw it a couple of pages ago...

I have asked USAF Chief of Staff to reactivate the SR-71 so we can track the goalposts in real time, it is too costly to reposition satellites.

 

[WildCat]

Anybody see a goalpost around here?
I swear i saw it a couple of pages ago...

It reminds me of the homecoming game my final semester at NIU. We were playing Fresno State, they were ranked at trhe time. Everyone thought we'd get slaughtered, but it was a gorgeous 80 degree day (very rare that time of year).

NIU ran a wishbone offense, which Fresno State's defense figured out about as well as a truther does an FDR. It was a slaughter.

After the game was over, which NIU won by something like 72-13, the crowd stormed the field, ripped a goal post out of the ground and passed it down the field, up the stands, over the stands, down past the dorm towers, and into the west lagoon. Goalpost moving at its finest!

 

[WildCat]

Teleported down, he has a new theory, the WTC was teleported to destruction.
A new theory! Individualism breaks thought the cult movement lockstep, and invents a new theory. Breaking free from other nut case ideas… "what" ... oh...

…hunh… Telescope?
Oh, never---mind.

It's like every truther has to stamp their own brand of stupidity on their, uh, "unique" observation. That's Ace Baker's "turning into dust in mid-air" video. Turbofan claims their "telescoping".

Anyone with any observational ability at all sees them coming apart at the welds as they topple over and fall to the ground.

 

[WildCat]

Anybody see a goalpost around here?
I swear i saw it a couple of pages ago...

Replace single solid steel beam with "steel structure".

 

[roundhead]

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Here's a perfect example of CD. Look at the structure standing straight up
at the 16 second mark.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_EdoxJam_gE

Watch how it descends STRAIGHT down in seconds!

See it again at 1:52

Keep spinning and denying.

Hey , what's the GL excuse for this anyway?

STRAIGHT! LMFAO!

This was answered a long time ago, years before you wrote that post.

ASSERTION #2
“But they fell straight down into their own footprint.”
PROTEC COMMENT: They did not. They followed the path of least resistance, and there was a lot of resistance.

Any discussion of how the towers fell on 9/11 requires a fundamental understanding of how buildings collapse and an examination of the damage inflicted upon adjacent structures that morning.

A tall office building cannot be made to tip over like a tree. Reinforced concrete smokestacks and industrial towers can, due to their small footprint and inherently monolithic properties. However, because typical human-inhabited buildings (and their supporting elements) are spread over a larger area and are not nearly as rigid, the laws of gravity cause them to begin collapsing downward upon being weakened or tipped off center to a certain point. Blasters are well aware of this and often rely on this principle in designing upper-floor charge patterns to maximize breakage and in predicting debris drop zones.

The collapse of towers 1 and 2 followed this principle exactly. When the impact floors of both towers eventually failed, the upper sections did not simply tumble over onto the street below, rather they tilted while simultaneously collapsing downward.

In short, the towers fell the way they did because gravity would naturally pull the components downward once they were separated from their supports. When the jets hit, they severed columns. Other columns failed from the heat of the fires. The remainder failed from the overload resulting from the previous two types of failures. Once those failures occurred, the upper section came down onto the lower sections. And that leads back to the posts you continue to ignore, the ones describing how the upper section defeated the individual floors' resistance on the way down. No explosives demolition required. This is not too hard to understand.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1717/thisneedstocrushthis3om.jpg

That's true. And no explosives demolition is required for that to happen.

Measure the force of the upper section against the ability of the floor immediately below the impact/fire zone. Measure how little that floor negates the acceleration of the upper section. Now, measure the upper setion plus that newly failed floor, which is now moving at a higher rate of speed (it's accelerating due to gravity, remember) against the next floor below. Repeat until the ground is reached.

Not too hard to understand.

 

[nicepants]

Your question is faulty

Replace single solid steel beam with "steel structure".

Imagine a steel beam structure sticking straight up in the air.

Now imagine that steel beam structure telescoping down (vertically, straight, etc.)
into the ground.

Is that acceptable to you based on gravity?

Yes.

I'm sure you'll disagree, which is fine. Your question is too open-ended.

For example:

Imagine a car
Imagine it going 0-60mph in 4 seconds
Is that acceptable to you?
(Hint: There is no wrong answer)

 

[jaydeehess]

9.8 m/s is SPEED!

9.8 m/s/s is ACCELERATION!

WHo needs the physics class around here?

I don't have the time during lunch to see how many others addressed this but YES m/s is speed and m/s/s is accelleration and gravity at the Earth's surface causes an ACCELLERATION of 9.8m/s/s and it looks like to many here that you have assumed that gravity causes a velocity of 9.8 m/s, which, of course, ridiculous.

Sorry if we are reading you incorrectly.

 

[DavidJames]

Yes.

I'm sure you'll disagree, which is fine. Your question is too open-ended.

For example:

Imagine a car
Imagine it going 0-60mph in 4 seconds
Is that acceptable to you?
(Hint: There is no wrong answer)

Remember, TF gained all his fyziks knowledge while working at an auto body shop. You're just making this to easy for him

 

[Confuseling]

Sorry, I can't quite follow your reasoning there chap.

Lets take the Central Committee of the Chinese government, as a random example.

Are their efforts to destroy the US government by revealing the conspiracy hampered by denial, pride, or lack of motivation to research alternative media coverage?

60 minutes avoiding Chinese people,




Confuseling he say.

 

[bje]

Stop dodging, start answering.

No, no, Turbofan I asked you a question. Answer it.