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Frankodd blabbered:

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Check this out for prophesy … lets see how I do when I telegraph my moves …

I predict, that every single time I make a post that Whodini, Upchurch, or Diogenes will post some fluff (or an insult) within 5 minutes. Actually I am controlling their minds, and making them do it. Lets see if they can resist my power?
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Silly Illogical Deist! Looks like it has been more than 5 minutes.

"Fluff" = stuff Frankass doesn't agree with.

Hehehehe....

Yes, you are controlling my mind. Oh yes Franko. You should apply for the 1 Million Dollar Challenge?

Hehehe...

Logical Dorkist.

 

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I post 2:55 pm
Upchurch posts 2:59 pm

I post 3:10 pm
whodidni 3:11 pm

I post 3:13 pm

Upchurch 3:16pm
Whodidni 3:16 pm

Thats within 5 minutes ... go back and check the first page of the thread as well ...
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Hi Stanko,

You've managed to read a non-digital, non-Mickeymouse watch! Nice!

hehehe....

Here is my prediction, you will respond to one of my posts sometime in the future. I am using my mind-reading A-theist Materialistic powers.

Hehehe...

 

[Plutarck]

Plutard,

Hah!!!

If you really meant this you would demonstrate it by never speaking to me again. But like all A-Theists you are full of ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ at heart.

In my last post I should have said Upchurch, Whodini, Diogenes, or Plutarch ... pathetic losers ...

I said you and your view were both irrelevant and rediculous, and they are. I did not, however, say that I did not receive pleasure by mocking you or making it obvious just how rediculous they are.

You are just entertainment for us, Franko. For many people on this forum there is a feeling of respect and admiration, even for those with different view and beliefs - regardless of your endless assertions to the countrary.

But not for you - just contempt, amusement, and pity. Not even good pity, like people might feel for a cripple. It's usually more...well, contempt really, with just a dash of good pity stirred in due to an inescapable sense of compassion which is a part of any respectable human being. But mostly just contempt and amusement.

Note how we continue to mock you, unabated.

 

[Darat]

Trixy,



Well if you were Fated to do it, then how was it “free will”?

Just tell us all, are you claiming:

That Atoms DO NOT obey the laws of Physics?

… or …

That You ARE NOT made of atoms?

You have no evidence for “free will”, and what you are trying to claim as far as NO EVIDENCE for God is that when you drive your car, You (the thing controlling) is less conscious then your car (the thing controlled).

Are you going to explain that contradiction to us? Or are you and your pathetic little toadies gonna just go and cry to Randi about me again?

Franko I am very confused now (not a too uncommon state for me I'll freely admit). I have three major questions (with comments) from what you have stated.

The first:

You say "I" have no free will yet "my" actions can have consequences for "me".

How can this be? Since any action "I" do is not of my “choice" and in fact has/was already been pre-determined for me by your goddess.

Before I was born/created your logical goddess "decided" that I would do certain actions that would have consequences for me after I die, some of which will be horrible, yet I have no choice what my actions should be.

The second:

Since my consciousness has no free will and is constrained to do whatever your logical goddess has decided I must do then how can any of my actions be considered "wrong", "bad" or "immoral"? They are all the "will" of the logical goddess.

If tomorrow I went out and murdered someone and stole all their possession I can claim that I have no "free-will" and therefore cannot beheld responsible for my actions - my actions are just what the logical goddess decided they should be? Under your worldview the person I murdered is just as "responsible" for his death as I am i.e. not at all.

The third:

Why do you hold atheists responsible for their beliefs? It is the goddess decision and choice that atheists should believe as they do.

 

[Ipecac]

slide back up this thread (or any other) and see for yourself ...

I post 2:55 pm
Upchurch posts 2:59 pm

I post 3:10 pm
whodidni 3:11 pm

I post 3:13 pm

Upchurch 3:16pm
Whodidni 3:16 pm

Thats within 5 minutes ... go back and check the first page of the thread as well ...

I wasn't saying they weren't replying to you right after you posted. I was disagreeing with your "fluff" assessment of their posts.

 

[Upchurch]

Besides, most of those posts are replying to earlier ones, not the ones immediately preceeding. Franko only managed to show that we were all online at the same time.

Bravo, Franko. Now get back to dancing for our amusement, monkey boy.

Upchurch

 

[Jim_MDP]

Francine sez:

I predict, that every single time I make a post that Whodini, Upchurch, or Diogenes will post some fluff (or an insult) within 5 minutes. Actually I am controlling their minds, and making them do it. Lets see if they can resist my power?

Can I play too, peg-boy*?







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*Another nickel in royalties to Victor.

 

[Franko]

Ipecac,

I wasn't saying they weren't replying to you right after you posted. I was disagreeing with your "fluff" assessment of their posts.

Really? I have raised all kinds of points in my post, but I don’t see ONE single one of the A-Theists I mention actually making an attempt to respond to any of them (well Upchurch gave a half hearted attempt in one of his posts).

They are Religious fanatics plain and simple. I don’t mind them posting all their fluff mind you (it really drives home my point to anyone else reading along), but if you are claiming that there is some point I need to respond to in this drivel, then perhaps you can point it out for me?

Did I NOT prove you to be the fool that you are?

Poor foolish Franko

It looks like Franko's Illogical Goddess (because of the negative spin, ya understand) is an unjust goddess who punishes us for things we have no control over. I guess that makes sense, her being an illogical goddess.

LMAO

I'm afraid to ask what the rest of them mean! [I bet]

Yeah, Fran, the Illogical Deist is substituting Christian terms with terms that he likes, but it is still the same ol' dogma. To try and provide a reason that his Illogical God is female, he says calls God "gravy-train" and then says that she is she because of spin!

Wow! All those times when I played with a top, I was really making out and I didn't know it! hehehe!!! Such is Franko's logic.

The Void will get us, ooooooohhh the Boogeyman too?

This is a Illogical De-isn't-ist at their best!

So much for his Goddess! Hehehe... I guess his gravy-train stopped spinning?

Stank, I'm off to ask my tires out for a date!

I'll take that to mean I won your little "Make me look like a fool" challenge, Franko. Pleasure doin' business with ya.

You may now continue to dance like a fool to entertain me and others, monkey boy.

I propose that we elect Whodini the official Franko-O-Later 2002. That was an incredibly good impression, right down to the punctuation!

Oh don't worry, my little juvenile delinquent. I've been a bit busy in the Flame War section. I'll have more time to ridicule you soon.

I suppose I should thank you. It was my practice in writing chapter one and chapter two of your life story that prepared me for the Flame War.

So be patient, buttercup. I'll have more time to spend with you soon.

Silly Illogical Deist! Looks like it has been more than 5 minutes.

Logical Dorkist.

You've managed to read a non-digital, non-Mickeymouse watch! Nice!

Here is my prediction, you will respond to one of my posts sometime in the future. I am using my mind-reading A-theist Materialistic powers.

You are just entertainment for us, Franko. For many people on this forum there is a feeling of respect and admiration, even for those with different view and beliefs - regardless of your endless assertions to the countrary.

Note how we continue to mock you, unabated.

There’s A-Theism for you! I am not impressed, are you Ipecac?

 

[Franko]

BTW -- I have bumped Whopeni up to 15 minutes ... But he still won't actually address any points. I am making him unable to address any. He can only offer fluff. It is his Fate. just watch ....

 

[Ipecac]

One more thought, examining Franko's "Six months to live" scenario.

Even if someone would run up their debts, borrow money knowing they won't pay it back, or even kill someone, they have an incentive not to do so up until the moment they die. The debt collectors could come next month. The police could catch them. If you have only six months to live, you have a HUGE incentive not to do anything that would screw up those six months. What's more, you might not die in six months. Then where would you be?

It would be difficult to construct a scenario where a person would have absolute knowledge of an impending demise and lack all incentives to behave himself during those six months.

(BTW, Upchurch, I thought your reasons for the soon-to-be-departed to behave were dead on, so to speak.)

 

[Franko]

Trixy (He’s like … an old geezer, what is he doing here?)

Oh don't worry, my little juvenile delinquent. I've been a bit busy in the Flame War section. I'll have more time to ridicule you soon.

I care?

I suppose I should thank you. It was my practice in writing chapter one and chapter two of your life story that prepared me for the Flame War.

I am touched and amused that you devote so much of your precious existence to me.

So be patient, buttercup. I'll have more time to spend with you soon.

What makes you assume I want to spend another instant talking to you? I told you specifically the other day that if I never heard another word out of you it would be too soon. I know … you have that tired old man’s brain, and your memory is fading fast …

But remember what I said, whenever you feel the urge to speak to me, just recall that I believe all of the same stupid Religious Nonsense that your moronic Pagan wife believes in. So save us both the time and trouble, and go home are argue Religion and Philosophy with that idiot wife of yours. Leave me out of it.

… I’m just a figment of your imagination anyway …

 

[Upchurch]

There?s A-Theism for you! I am not impressed, are you Ipecac?

But Franko's insults aren't fluff, nosiree. Franko is putting them a-theistic bastards in their place, I'll tell you what.

Half-hearted attempt, my arse. You just can't handle a valid view point that differs from your own.

Upchurch

 

[Franko]

Ipecac,

Even if someone would run up their debts, borrow money knowing they won't pay it back, or even kill someone, they have an incentive not to do so up until the moment they die. The debt collectors could come next month. The police could catch them. If you have only six months to live, you have a HUGE incentive not to do anything that would screw up those six months. What's more, you might not die in six months. Then where would you be?

It would be difficult to construct a scenario where a person would have absolute knowledge of an impending demise and lack all incentives to behave himself during those six months.

It sounds to me like you are now trying to argue that A-Theists don’t actually believe they are going to cease to exist when they die?

Do they believe that is true or not?

 

[Franko]

I posted at 4:35 pm and right on Time …

Upchurch 4:37 pm:

But Franko's insults aren't fluff, nosiree. Franko is putting them a-theistic bastards in their place, I'll tell you what.

(that’s 2 minutes if you are an A-Theist and can’t do basic math)

Previously I prophesized:

Check this out for prophesy … lets see how I do when I telegraph my moves …

I predict, that every single time I make a post that Whodini, Upchurch, or Diogenes will post some fluff (or an insult) within 5 minutes. Actually I am controlling their minds, and making them do it. Lets see if they can resist my power?

A-Theists … so f*cking easy …

 

[Upchurch]

(BTW, Upchurch, I thought your reasons for the soon-to-be-departed to behave were dead on, so to speak.)

Thanks! What I like about my view of the afterlife is that it is demonstratable. Just pull out the ol' family album.

Along those lines, if John Edward wants to talk to the dead, he should speak with the departed's children.

Upchurch

 

[Upchurch]

A-Theists ? so f*cking easy ?

That's right Franko. Avoid the tough ones. Insults are just easier.

Upchurch

edited to add:
FYI, your post was only 4 minutes behind mine. Why, Franko! Are you in love with me?

edited again:
Wait, this post was only 2 minutes after my last one. I must be in love with myself! (At least, I'm a better conversationalist than Franko)

 

[Ipecac]

Ipecac,

It sounds to me like you are now trying to argue that A-Theists don’t actually believe they are going to cease to exist when they die?

Do they believe that is true or not?

I believe that is true. Atheists believe they are going to cease to exist when they die.

What I don't buy is your continued assumption that atheists have NO incentives to behave themselves when they know they are going to die. As Upchurch has argued, there are personal, emotional incentives to behave yourself. As I have argued, in an uncertain situation, there are incentives to behave yourself. Do you have any evidence or argument that there isn't?

 

[Franko]

I posted at 4:41 pm and right on Time …

Upchurch 4:43 pm:

That's right Franko. Avoid the tough ones. Insults are just easier.

Fluff …
that’s 2 minutes (again) if you are an A-Theist and can’t do basic math

Previously I prophesized:

Check this out for prophesy … lets see how I do when I telegraph my moves …

I predict, that every single time I make a post that Whodini, Upchurch, or Diogenes will post some fluff (or an insult) within 5 minutes. Actually I am controlling their minds, and making them do it. Lets see if they can resist my power?

Still doubt me, Ipecac?

 

[Franko]

Ipecac,

I believe that is true. Atheists believe they are going to cease to exist when they die.

What I don't buy is your continued assumption that atheists have NO incentives to behave themselves when they know they are going to die. As Upchurch has argued, there are personal, emotional incentives to behave yourself.

So you are claiming that personal emotional (subjective) experiences constitute logical evidence now? A-Theists are moral because they Claim they will be moral? Do you consider the A-Theists behavior on this thread as evidence of this?

As I have argued, in an uncertain situation, there are incentives to behave yourself. Do you have any evidence or argument that there isn't?

Yes, when a person knows that there are no consequences for their actions they behave as if there are no consequences for their actions. B.F. Skinner and the Behaviorist School have pretty much nailed this down as inescapable fact.

What you are trying to claim, is that if you give two random people credit cards, and you tell one they are responsible for paying the bill at the end of the month, and you tell the other that they are NOT responsible for the bill, (and maybe you run this experiment 100 times) that there will be no trend amongst the two groups spending patterns. It is an utterly absurd notion. Even children can understand this concept.

An A-Theists knows that is he can lie, cheat, steal, whatever, and get away (go undetected) until he ceases to exist, that he is off Scott-Free. He is like the guy who doesn’t have to pay the bill. But for a Theist, who firmly believes that he is answerable for all his actions, getting caught now is not the concern. On the timescale of Eternity, he knows his moral crime will eventually be discovered, and he will have to answer for it. It is that simple.

Upchuck, Plutard, Whopeedme, and Trixy want to pretend that the opposite is True – Fine! They certainly haven’t explained why they believe this is true. It is just Religious Dogma. They can’t justify it! Honestly, they sound completely insane just by asserting it. Yet they have asserted it over and over again.

 

[Upchurch]

I posted at 4:41 pm and right on Time ?

Upchurch 4:43 pm:

Fluff ?
that?s 2 minutes (again) if you are an A-Theist and can?t do basic math

Pay close attention, Franko. There is an object lession here. Ahem:

I made a mistake, Franko. You are right and I am wrong. Thank you for pointing out my error.

There now. Wasn't that simple? Maybe you could give it a try. For example, atheists aren't really theists, now are they, Franko? How about this, my point of view about the afterlife is a valid one and would lead to moral behavior, even in the face of eminent death, isn't it?

As long as we're doing prophesies, how's about I try one:

Franko will never fully admit to having made a mistake about his position.

Upchurch

edited to add:
Hell, I'll sweeten the pot. I predict that Franko will never full admit to making a mistake. Much broader and much easier to defeat.