Franko and Deism.org

[Checkmite]

Actually what you don’t see on those boards (well some of it) is all of the back and fourth between me and the two site admins. Both of these guys are actually A-Theists, not Deists!

OK, so I'm not the only Deist that's been relabeled according to the Frankonian Dictionary. This sort of makes me feel better.

 

[Franko]

Actually the two admins all but conceded that they were actually Atheists to me.

You jkorski, as I mentioned the other day, first told me that you didn't know who Spinoza was, and then two days later claimed to worship Spinoza's God. That makes you at very least -- seem disingenuous.

Word and Deed both have to match. To be a Deist (or an Atheist) you have to be one by label, and by action. Not just one or the other.

 

[Ipecac]

Did you actually read any of the threads? It is like my debates here … for a bunch a guys who supposedly believe in God (the “deists”) they sure seem to think like a bunch of A-theists. I mean … they all believe in the existence of “God”, but I am the only one that is arguing to keep the phrase “ONE NATION UNDER GOD” in the pledge? If you believe in “God” then why on Earth does that phrase need to be removed?

Because some people who believe in "God" apparently also believe in the U.S. Constitution.

 

[Franko]

Because some people who believe in "God" apparently also believe in the U.S. Constitution.

Its pretty obvious that you didn't read the thread.

BTW ... Even though they banned me, the Wraith [materialized] there shortly after my departure. if (when) he gets banned another will take his place. The LG is NOT easily thwarted.

 

[Upchurch]

... An Upchuck

Ah, that takes me back. Congradulations, Franko! You are now at the same level of wit as first graders. What's the difference between first graders and Franko, you might ask? First graders will eventually grow out of it.

I am still wiating for you to explain how people who don't believe there are consequences for their actions are more moral then people who do believe their actions have consequences?

I have answered this, numerous times, in fact. But you aren't prepared and/or capable of understanding the answer, so why bother answering again?

Why do you continue to evade and avoid backing up your ridiculous assertion?

Why do you continue to evade and avoid backing up that I actually said any such thing?

Since you have already conceded that A-Theism is a Religion, is this just an example of your dogmatic belief system; and therefore to be taken simply on Faith?

Good misrepresentation, Franko! I said that atheism could be held religiously. I never claimed that I held it religiously. Furthermore, I never said anything of it being a dogmatic belief system nor that it was my dogmatic belief system. But I digress. You don't want to hear that. You only want to hear what you want to hear. Fortunately, you only will hear what you want to hear.

The difference between a child and adult is that an adult will admit when s/he has made a mistake. A child will rant and rave and blame other people for it's failures. If you want to behave like a child, I have no problem treating you like one. If you ever decided to behave like an adult, I have no problem treating you like one, either.

As for why we follow your plight on this and other boards, Franko, I enjoy following your antics the way I enjoy watching network TV. You are both shallow, oversimplistic, and one dimensional, but you're entertaining as hell. Plus, you don't have any commercials. So, go ahead and dance for our amusement, Franko. Entertain your fans!

Upchurch

 

[Checkmite]

Actually the two admins all but conceded that they were actually Atheists to me.

You jkorski, as I mentioned the other day, first told me that you didn't know who Spinoza was, and then two days later claimed to worship Spinoza's God. That makes you at very least -- seem disingenuous.

Word and Deed both have to match. To be a Deist (or an Atheist) you have to be one by label, and by action. Not just one or the other.

I said I believed in Einstein's god. You said "Einstein believed in Spinoza's god" (though you never gave me a source)...put it together, Franko...If I believe in Einstein's god, and Einstein believed in Spinoza's god, then that means...?

 

[Franko]

Upchurch,

Franko asked (for about the 8th time …)
I am still wiating for you to explain how people who don't believe there are consequences for their actions are more moral then people who do believe their actions have consequences?
Upchurch non-responded:
I have answered this, numerous times, in fact. But you aren't prepared and/or capable of understanding the answer, so why bother answering again?

But if this is Really true, then why not simply cut & paste your answer again, and actually demonstrate what a fool I am – instead of merely asking that we take your word on Faith?

I certainly don’t recall you ever addressing this question. I have been asking you for days now, and all I get from you are fluff posts with insults. Your last posts is a case in point. Lots of verbiage where you deny that you are another lying A-Theists, but nothing to actually back up your dogmatic assertions.

So please explain to myself, and anyone else reading along, what is your evidence that people who DO NOT believe in consequences for their actions are MORE moral then people who do believe there are consequences for their actions?

It is a very simple question Upchurch. What are you running from? Why are you so willing to make this claim, but so afraid to back it up with more then insults to me? I am betting you are unable to back it up.

 

[Checkmite]

It is a very simple question Upchurch. What are you running from? Why are you so willing to make this claim, but so afraid to back it up with more then insults to me? I am betting you are unable to back it up.

Paging Dr. Kettle...there's a Mr. Pot on the line...

 

[Franko]

I've asked UC a very specific question on a point he directly raised. If you have a very specific question yourself ... feel free to ask.

 

[Upchurch]

But if this is Really true, then why not simply cut & paste your answer again, and actually demonstrate what a fool I am ? instead of merely asking that we take your word on Faith?

Well golly, Franko. Is that all it takes to demonstrate what a fool you are? How's about this then? It's where I answered you with:

Regardless, what I find hysterical is that you berate others for their reading comprehension when yours is so poor. Could you please point to where I said that there are no consequences to our actions? I said no such thing, did I Franko?

No, my position is that there are no consequences to our actions due to a supernatural power. I believe that there are all sorts of consequences to every one of our actions.

As a variation of what Blue Monk said, I don't hurt people, because I do not wish to be hurt. I do not steal from people because I do not want my things stolen. etc. There is no need for supernatural punishment to be a moral person, Franko.

Further, I never said that I thought atheists were more moral than theists, unless you can show where I did? I was just remarking at how weak your moral basis must be if it is only based on punishment after death. It's my opinion.

You may not have liked my answer or it may not have been the answer you were expecting, but there it was in black and white (or black and gray-blue depending on the line). Does this mean I've demonstrated you to be a fool?

Upchurch
edited to add:
if there are more ways that you know of that I can demonstrate you to be the fool you are, don't you hesitate to bring them up.

 

[Upchurch]

I've asked UC a very specific question on a point he directly raised. If you have a very specific question yourself ... feel free to ask.

May I ask some very specific questions, Franko?

Do you feel that you are being open-minded and fair about your position and that of others on this board?

If not, why not?

If so, do you feel that it is possible that someone on this board might have a valid point of view, even though it may contradict your own?

If not, how do you justify a statement of open-mindedness and fairness when you are not open to the possibility of being wrong?

Upchurch

 

[Plutarck]

Posted by "serpent" on deism.org in a thread he called "logical deism.
He was asked....

What use is there in attributing any gender to god? God operates the same whether god is male, female, or beyond the concept of gender. Attributing a gender to god is, to me, simply a matter of of socio-sexual nonsense, another salvo in the absurd war of political correctness, and it has no place in a conversation of the real nature of god.


he replied with

I disagree. Our gender is fundamental to who we are as individuals. It is one of our intrinsic characteristics.

But to understand where I am coming from a little better on this you have to understand something of the LD notion of the Soul, or “Graviton”.

Now according to Logical Deism there is only one type of particle that exist in the metatrue reality (The Omniverse). This particle is called a Graviton. Each of us are such a particle. Now these particles have four intrinsic properties MASS, VELOCITY, SPIN, and CHARGE. All of these parameters are values, and all can be either positive, or negative.

SPIN corresponds to your gender. “Positive” Spin is male, and “Negative” Spin is Female (spin = zero is gender neutral)


so there you have it....It all depends on which way you spin. All you people that thought he was mad are wrong, he's just dizzy.

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...HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA! Oh damn, that way overshot my expectations!

Spin = gender?

LMAO

I'm afraid to ask what the rest of them mean!


Good work there, Fool. I was skeptical there for a minute until the "Graviton" bit. That pretty much settled the issue for me.

 

[Checkmite]

I've asked UC a very specific question on a point he directly raised. If you have a very specific question yourself ... feel free to ask.

Interestingly, several others have asked you specific questions about specific claims you have made (CWL's questions, The Fool's questions). You have not answered them.

Is there some mystical privilege which entitles you to have all your questions answered, while relieving you of your obligation to answer questions posed to you?

 

[Tricky]

I've asked UC a very specific question on a point he directly raised. If you have a very specific question yourself ... feel free to ask.

Oooo! Can I play too?

Franko, I have two very specific questions.

1) Do humans have free will? (and by "free will" I mean freedom to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention)

2) Are humans punished in the afterlife for things they did while living?

All I ask is a "yes" or "no" answer to these questions. Anything else will be considered evasion.

 

[Guest]

I'll respond in this post in Franko-style.


Frankfurter,

You your-silly-self say that agnosticism is the default position. So how then can you be a Logical Deist? That isn't too logical. How about Illogical Deist?

I don't find it odd that you, an Illogical Deist got banned from deism.org, because it has nothing to do with your beliefs. It has to do with your way of typing out your beliefs. For example, anyone who doesn't agree with Franko's Stupid Stuff is called an A-theist, a term which I have come to love! In fact, if you DON'T call me that I get sad, so please Wankoff, keep that up! I love it!

You can't even read apparently. Look at their cleary stated forum rules. You posts are homeopathic- no substance remains.

I read the threads. I clicked on your name, "Serpent" (rather fitting), and looked at ALL of your posts. Pure Illogical Deism! Even some deists over there think you spout drivel.

HEHEHE!!!

Here are some one-hit-wonders from you, Wanko:

"But let me ask you something, if “God” were really male (or gender neutral) then why is it that Males seem to be so incompatible with this universe in comparison to females? We have shorter life expectancy. We are killed by accident or violence at a much higher rate. Our rate of insanity and suicide is 5 to 10 times greater than women. Look at prison populations, crime, who starts all the wars? "


Who can argue with such illogic? A D-ontknowanything-ist at their best!


"Thomas Bayes also comes to play in this system, essentially Godel + Bayes = Evolution. "

hehehehe!!!! You probably read a couple popular books at Borders or Barnes and Noble (after getting an mocha-latte and scoping out girls in the psychic section) and now think you understand Godel and Bayes. Kind of like those who say E=mc^2 means that consciousness creates matter. You would agree with that probably.

Frankly stupid, you wouldn't know logic if Russel and Whitehead tag teamed and hit you with a double clothesline. Mofo.

Franky-skanky, you'll have to do better than "TLOP" and "figment of your imagination", and solipsism. heheheh!!!! I showed your posts to my little brother and he just laughed. Even he realizes that you are spouting BS, and just labelling God, Hell, Heaven, etc., with new terms, Graviton, Goddess, Void, etc. So much for "deism not being attached to any dogma". Pathetic!


"Tyler's right. Taoism, while similar to Christianity, is an atheistic belief system. Oh, man, what have gotten myself into?"


Bzzz! hehehe...!!!! There are many kids of Daoists; philosophical, and religious. In the philosophical strand, Dao is like the universe, or what makes the universe work. It is very synonymous to a god or a power, like a deist or a pantheist. In the religious strand, there are many gods: the Peach Goddess, Laozi, the Yellow Emperor, and even a trinity.

Shows what you know, Wanko! heheh!!!!!


"Exactly -- You and you’re a-theist friends are the rogues. The “Host” has sent me (and others) to fight back. Perceive me well Graviton … My kind brings extinction for yours. "


Oh no! heheheheh!!! This gravy-train from a lousy science fiction movie? Have you been reading L-Ron again?


"This “universe” is nothing more than the mental projection of a single right-spin Graviton. All the evidence indicates that She has been continuously projecting Her memes for over 12.7 billion years."

ahahah!!!! "All evidence", get real. Your evidence is non-existant Frankoooooooooppppssss!


"How many babies were aborted last year by the Priest of A-Theism? A couple million at least – right? Like a brand new holocaust every year."

What a nut! Nutty like fruitcake on Christmas.

hehehehehe..!!!!

Frank-oopsIcrappedmypants, you are boring. But you are also entertainment, and I'll keep putting quarters in you and in your Logical De-isn't-ism.

heheheh!!!!

 

[Franko]

Tricky,

1) Do humans have free will?

No

(and by "free will" I mean freedom to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention)

Still No.

2) Are humans punished in the afterlife for things they did while living?

Punished? I wouldn’t use that word.

When you deliberately smash your own hand with a hammer would you say you were punished? … or simply the victim of your own action?

 

[Franko]

Interestingly, several others have asked you specific questions about specific claims you have made (CWL's questions, The Fool's questions). You have not answered them.

yeah ... Cwl's list is rather lengthy, and i just haven't had time to get to it yet today ... but I will.

Fool on the other hand ... seems to think he can talk me into debating myself while he watches. Until he starts answering some questions himself (thus giving me a frame of reference) there is nothing to discuss (a discussion requires the input of at least 2).

Essentially he is claiming that 2 + 2 = 5 and without saying anythig else he wants me to PROVE why he is wrong. He's just ... a Fool!

 

[Upchurch]

Does this mean I've demonstrated you to be a fool?

Don't forget this one, Franko! I'm very interested in your response.

Upchurch

 

[Tricky]

Punished? I wouldn’t use that word.

When you deliberately smash your own hand with a hammer would you say you were punished? … or simply the victim of your own action?

BZZZZT!!! You lose. Couldn't answer yes or no.

How can you "deliberately" do anything when you have no free will?

 

[Franko]

Plutard,

Spin = gender?

LMAO

I'm afraid to ask what the rest of them mean!

Good work there, Fool. I was skeptical there for a minute until the "Graviton" bit. That pretty much settled the issue for me.

You really are retarded (plutarded). Hehehe …

So … what … is this your feeble way of getting back at me for consistently woupping your ass? You are getting to be as bad as Upchurch and Whodini. But that’s okay, I love watching you A-Theists embarrass yourself. I couldn’t pay you guys to act like bigger religious fanatics.

BTW, the Fool is no great detective considering me and Yalel have been talking about what a farce deism.org is/was days before Fool posted this stuff.