Four Shot Outside Teddy Haggard's Church

What do the members of the dead family members feel when they hear this stuff:

"I was just expecting for the next gunshot to be coming through my car. Miraculously — by the grace of God — it did not," she told ABC's "Good Morning America."

Yeah... cause if the gun shot you, you'd be the dead one instead of the one claiming grace from god. Dead people don't get to tell us about how god saved them. Of course they're partying in heaven, so there's a consolation, eh?
 
Puppycow said:
gloating over some people's murder isn't going to help the atheist cause.
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I initiated a thread in "Religion and Philosophy" (URGENT-Need Theist Help) after the first attack at the missionary school and I received similar critiques. It's not gloating. It's an attempt to illustrate the incomprehensible twisted rationalizations christians employ to reconcile their false beliefs with reality. They chastise Atheists for blaming their omnipotent god for such tragedies yet they will praise the same god if they manage to dodge a bullet themselves (reference a comment made by a women sitting in her car during the second shooting incident). If their god is in fact "all powerful" then he must assume absolute responsibility. Citing these latest tragic occurrences is not in the best of taste to say the least (mea culpa) but what does it take to get a true believer to open their eyes? Theists ignore reason, logic, science and reality! What else is there then but to underscore the insanity and absurdity of their preposterous, demented rationalizations???
 
It's not gloating over someone's death, and there is no "atheists cause". We don't need to convert people to nonbelief and sharing humor amongst each other rather than mocking the nutters to their face is rather tasteful given the regular blame they give to us for all the worlds problems--and not just on forums-- on the news-- to their parishioners. The pope just blamed atheists for all the worlds evils... don't rain on my private skeptical parade with moral platitudes, puppycow. We didn't shoot anyone. And THIS IS a skeptics forum I don't think any of the offended people will be hanging out here... and I don't think anyone said anything awful. Plus, it might be good for some humans to start thinking before bleating... perhaps our commentary could inspire less blatant god pandering amongst the faithful.

It's actually more offensive that the woman praised the grace of god for sparing her out loud in the media knowing that god didn't give that same grace to the dead folks. What are their loved ones to think? That was the insensitive statement--not anything said here. Everything an atheist says is judged much harsher than anything a believer says. We can't win. Even our own have absorbed the cultural "faith is good" meme.
 
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Puppy, Puppy! You just broke articulett's first commandment:
Thou shalt not criticize SKEPTICS! How dare you! After all
articulett said:
mocking the nutters to their face is rather tasteful
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After all, they are to blame for being mocked, aren't they? And after all,
THIS IS a skeptics forum I don't think any of the offended people will be hanging out here... and I don't think anyone said anything awful. Plus, it might be good for some humans to start thinking before bleating... perhaps our commentary could inspire less blatant god pandering amongst the faithful.
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And therefore articulett also does not need to worry about her blatant contradiction in terms. And if you insist on criticizing articulett, you'll soon find out that since
Everything an atheist says is judged much harsher than anything a believer says
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, you should always judge believers harshly!
Get it?
Remember the lesson, Puppycow! Never tell an alleged skeptic to grow up! Don't even ask that person if it might not be a good idea to consider growing up ... just a little ...
Remember that
The incompetent are the least likely to know it, and the ones who feel most confident in their abilities. It's true! :) http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
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And notice articulett's quite apparent lack of confidence in her own abilities! :)
Get it?
 
articulett said:
It's not gloating over someone's death, and there is no "atheists cause". We don't need to convert people to nonbelief and sharing humor amongst each other rather than mocking the nutters to their face is rather tasteful given the regular blame they give to us for all the worlds problems--and not just on forums-- on the news-- to their parishioners. The pope just blamed atheists for all the worlds evils...
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"But THEY started it, Mommy!"

articulett said:
don't rain on my private skeptical parade with moral platitudes, puppycow. We didn't shoot anyone.
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Don't claim that all skeptics march in your private skeptical parade.
 
I love angry Danes and their straw men.

It makes me giggle.

If only your fatwas against me and your stalking my threads and derailing them didn't make you look like such buffoons. But it does!
 
articulett said:
I love angry Danes and their straw men.

It makes me giggle.

If only your fatwas against me and your stalking my threads and derailing them didn't make you look like such buffoons. But it does!
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Yes, we are all out to get you. It has nothing to do with your arguments.
 
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CFLarsen said:
Yes, we are all out to get you. It has nothing to do with your arguments.
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In her defense, while I agree with you critique, Dann is deliberately quoting her out of context and most of his post was more ad hom, than actually adressing her points.

Articulett actually makes some good points in her post: It's not disrespectful if we as atheists point out that saying god saved you and not the victims is a slap in the face to thoses victim's family. Not because of the mention of god, but because of the implication that god considered their relative to be inferior to the saved person.

If I was a christian and thus believed that god was all-knowing (and less relevant in this context: omnipotent and all-loving) I could not think of a bigger insult.

So if I as an atheist than ask, "where was god for those that died, or for allowing the shooting", there is of course a small aspect of "if god gets the credit he should also get the blame" but there's a larger message that says: "How dare you preopose that god considers you more important than those that he didn't save, how dare YOU be that insensitive to the victim's family".

Articulett is correct that in these kind of situations people are so used to seeing christians thanking god that they don't even stop to consider the huge insult to the victims. At the same time they are also so used to atheists mocking the clinging onto medieval superstition of theists that they don't stop to consider that maybe we have a point to make other than "ha ha stupid christians"
 
SomeGuy said:
In her defense, while I agree with you critique, Dann is deliberately quoting her out of context and most of his post was more ad hom, than actually adressing her points.

Articulett actually makes some good points in her post: It's not disrespectful if we as atheists point out that saying god saved you and not the victims is a slap in the face to thoses victim's family. Not because of the mention of god, but because of the implication that god considered their relative to be inferior to the saved person.
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There is a hell of a difference between pointing out that saying god saved you and not the victims is a slap in the face to the victim's family, and "mocking the nutters to their face", claiming it is "tasteful" to do so.

A hell of a difference.
 
CFLarsen said:
Don't claim that all skeptics march in your private skeptical parade.
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I didn't. Hence the word "my" and "private". But just keep beating up those straw men while you ignore the fact that you once again stalked me and derailed a thread to try and mount a fatwa against me with off topic hyperbole.

I click my heals in glee every time you judge another with criticisms that so much more readily apply to you. It's too easy. And I know that others in cyberland are enjoying the fireworks as much as I am. If I'm going to be accused of things, I may as well make the most of it. I love sharpening my claws on those who imagine I should respect their opinions while not even being aware that I have them.

The ones exhibiting poor taste in regards to this tragedy are the holier-than-thou, not the skeptics. It's just that the buffoons are blind to their buffoonery. At least let the rest of us derive some enjoyment from that. Why is it the tasteless that feel so compelled to comment on the tastle of others. As if we'd go to them for "taste" advice?!

The only people who care what you think, Claus, are the people whose opinions you care about. Try being like the forum members YOU like--because so far you seem to be exhibiting all the vices you imagine in your growing list of JREF nemesis.

I'm not the straw man ogre you want me to be, Claus. Your ego is causing you to imagine things. Suck it up. You are starting to sound like Dann.
 
So Claus--
Let's see...

and how much "hell of a difference" is there between the offensiveness of what I said and the offensiveness of your comment about other forum members.

Let's see.... I've hurt no-one except hypothetical people and you and you've annoyed the hell out some of my favorite posters... who actually read your crap.

I think you've won the a-hole contest yet again. Quit lobbing stones... You live in a glass house. And you are quite naked, I might add. Does it ever occur to you that YOU are the reason for problems with others?
 
You spend an awful lot of time complaining about how other people are mean to you.

Try to focus on the arguments, instead of the arguer.
 
articulett said:
Let's see.... I've hurt no-one except hypothetical people and you and you've annoyed the hell out some of my favorite posters... who actually read your crap.
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The self-righteousness of this woman is indescribable. As you can see, Claus, it's all a question of who is offended: "some of my favorite posters" or the people who deserve to be offended!
articulett said:
And THIS IS a skeptics forum I don't think any of the offended people will be hanging out here... and I don't think anyone said anything awful. Plus, it might be good for some humans to start thinking before bleating... perhaps our commentary could inspire less blatant god pandering amongst the faithful.
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As you can also see, it's all a question of her intentions: If she wants to argue that nobody is offended, she claims that nobody who would be offended reads this thread anyway. And if she wants to argue that it could actually do these people good to read it, she immediately assumes that "perhaps our commentary could inspire less blatant god pandering amongst the faithful."! Even though they don't read it!
Go figure!
You already know that "The incompetent are the least likely to know it, and the ones who feel most confident in their abilities. It's true! :) http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf "
In the meantime she has the full support of the army in her head:
And I know that others in cyberland are enjoying the fireworks as much as I am.
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Can you hear her 'heals clicking'?
 
Yes, it's me, me, me. Feed my ego more please.

And then can we get back to noting the the illogic of the theists instead of the illogic of the blowhards. You guys do realize I'm creating a very nice template for others to follow in getting you to trip over your own hubris. (The clueless would be so much happier if they finally understood that they were the clueless ones. In fact, they might even get a clue!)

"Keep it going boys", I say baiting my hook.

kisses
 
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CFLarsen said:
Yes, we are all out to get you. It has nothing to do with your arguments.
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There was no argument going on until you brought the one that is ever present in your head.

It was an irony thread... a humor thread... an information thread-- but it wasn't an argument thread until you made it one with your JREF vigilantism

Your brain is caught in a strawman loop. You might want to have that checked out.
 
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dann said:
"hubris"??? Next she'll threathen us with bad karma.
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Yes... evil atheist articulett will threaten you with bad Karma.

After that I'll threaten you with humpty dumpty.

And for a final coup, I'll threaten to put a hex on your houseplants.

You guys are so funny.

And pssst, DANN, knocking belief systems is not knocking the believers. Logic can be your friend.
 
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Articulett, you might want to clear out your PMs. You just exceeded max cap. :3

puppycow said:
gloating over some people's murder isn't going to help the atheist cause.
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Wait, there's an "atheist cause"?

Where did I sign into this, precisely?
 
articulett said:
What do the members of the dead family members feel when they hear this stuff:

"I was just expecting for the next gunshot to be coming through my car. Miraculously — by the grace of God — it did not," she told ABC's "Good Morning America."

Yeah... cause if the gun shot you, you'd be the dead one instead of the one claiming grace from god. Dead people don't get to tell us about how god saved them. Of course they're partying in heaven, so there's a consolation, eh?
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People who say stuff like that are creeps, and they need a dose of reality to get their ego and arrogance under control.
 
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