Ed Forum birdwatching 2008

Took a short walk along a creek today and saw a Red-tailed Hawk, a Belted Kingfisher (video) and several Northern Flickers. Fun to watch, but already on the list.

The one new species for today (Feb 2) was in my neighbors tree, Jefferson County, Colorado, USA:

Eremophila alpestris Horned Lark
 
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I<snip>If we decide to implement this, I would like to know if any of our British contributors have seen a Carrion crow this year, as we only have the Hooded crow on the list.<snip>
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Back on the 12th. London E11.

My Larousse does not separate them as species, but I certainly have them separated on plumage and region.

The British Ornithological Union separates them:
http://www.bou.org.uk/recbrlst1dna.html
492. Carrion Crow Corvus corone A
493. Hooded Crow Corvus cornix A
 
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Corone/cornix hybrids are pretty common here and are fully fertile as I understand it. One of those wonderful evolutionary exceptions to our man-made rules.
 
3 Feb 2007 - Central Victoria, Australia.

Apostle Bird - Struthidea cinerea

They really do hang out in flocks of about a dozen. It seems that daughter birds stay with their Mums for a season or two, contributing to the care of new chicks.

They often remind me of a troop of monkeys moving through the trees.

PS A quick note about the peafowl that I mentioned in an earlier post. Kotatsu mentioned that they should be classified as escapees, but I think they'd be better described as semi-domesticated. I've never seen them, and I doubt they could survive, in the wild. Only a minor point, and I know they're still disqualified, but I didn't want to mislead anyone into thinking that Australia has a wild peafowl population.
 
Corone/cornix hybrids are pretty common here and are fully fertile as I understand it. One of those wonderful evolutionary exceptions to our man-made rules.

I believe I have heard somewhere that there isn't very much genetic difference between them either, and that the differences that can be found within and between European crow populations is not aligned with colour patterns. I assume this could have something to do with what genes you're studying, though...
 
Pretty slim pickings recently, but today we got a rough-legged hawk (buteo lagopus). Same size and shape as the very common red tails, but all black and white, with a distinctive black tip on an otherwise white tail. It obliged us by flying off its tree and circling around, so I could get a nice long look at its plumage.
 
I believe I have heard somewhere that there isn't very much genetic difference between them either, and that the differences that can be found within and between European crow populations is not aligned with colour patterns. I assume this could have something to do with what genes you're studying, though...
Basically it's the problem of whether we're lumpers or splitters (and not in the Life of Brian sense).

So, do we list Hooded separate from Carrion?
Personally, I have Scottish Hooded "separate" from southern Carrion crows in my lists based purely on the plumage/region separation so that *I* know. No real scientific basis, just a distinction so that I remember the look of each one I'd noted.

I've birded most of my life and always had made the distinction (based on some field guides) between the different Australian Rosellas (Green, Crimson, Yellow, Adelaide, Eastern, Western, Pahe-headed, Northern).

Then I met a friend who breeds them and the distinction the breeders make is much narrower, blue-cheeked (Green, Crimson, Adelaide, Yellow), yellow-cheeked (Western, Pale-headed), white-cheeked (Eastern, Northern).

A different field guide (Simpson and Day) to the first one I quoted (Slater) lumps the Adelaide and Crimson as "Yellow", but distinguishes between the rest.

I think for this thread's purpose we just go for general agreement, 'cos those discussion can go on interminably!
 
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'tis a fine cold and drizzly morning, and there are three of

Royal Spoonbill Platalea regia - 04.02.08 - Dunedin Harbour, New Zealand

swinging their flanged noggins through the shallows. Looks a bit like hadrosaurs.
Back in January:

Banded Rail Gallirallus philippensis - 18.01.08 - Abel Tasman National Park, New Zealand

and a dead Little Blue Penguin. Next weekend I'm going down to Sandfly Bay and have a look at some live ones.
 
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4 Feb 2007 - Central Victoria, Australia.

Australian King Parrot Alisterus scapularis

I was really pleased to see a pair of these this morning. They aren't rare, but this is the first time I've seen them at the feeder near the house. It's also the first time I've seen them alongside Crimson Rosellas and I was quite surprised to see how much bigger the AKPs are. I've read that the range of the AKP is actually increasing, which is nice to know, and I hope their appearance here is evidence of this.

May I again say thanks for this thread. I've always enjoyed having birds around the place, and have done what I could to encourage them here, but I've largely taken them for granted. Now I find myself jumping up every time I hear a twitter or whistle to see if it's something new, and then looking them up to make sure I've identified it correctly. I've learned heaps from that, and more again from the other posters observations.

Cheers to all.
 
So, do we list Hooded separate from Carrion?
Personally, I have Scottish Hooded "separate" from southern Carrion crows in my lists based purely on the plumage/region separation so that *I* know. No real scientific basis, just a distinction so that I remember the look of each one I'd noted.

I looked in Clements', and it counts them as one species, so that's what we'll do, officially. I am still inclined to allow listing of subspecies which are sufficiently distinct that you don't need to hold the bird to be able to tell the apart, and have thus listed both as subspecies; similarly, I listed Hokulele's Mexican stilt with the subspecies epithet, in case someone on the mainland observes the nominate subspecies.

I also found out that there is apparently two more subspecies of C. corone in "Europe": C. c. sharpii in Italy and former Yugoslavia, and C. c. pallescens in southern Turkey and the Levant. If these are distinguishable from the other two subspecies, maybe these should count as well.

I've birded most of my life and always had made the distinction (based on some field guides) between the different Australian Rosellas (Green, Crimson, Yellow, Adelaide, Eastern, Western, Pahe-headed, Northern).

Then I met a friend who breeds them and the distinction the breeders make is much narrower, blue-cheeked (Green, Crimson, Adelaide, Yellow), yellow-cheeked (Western, Pale-headed), white-cheeked (Eastern, Northern).

A different field guide (Simpson and Day) to the first one I quoted (Slater) lumps the Adelaide and Crimson as "Yellow", but distinguishes between the rest.

I think for this thread's purpose we just go for general agreement, 'cos those discussion can go on interminably!

I think that taxonomically, we should follow Clements', as that's the only book I have that covers all the world's species. However, I believe we could list subspecies as separate entries, as long as they can be told apart by a layman without special equipment. This could potentially require that we look at pictures of two subspecies and make a subjective judgement, but I think that'd be allowed. There are some good resources out there for pictures on birds from all over the world. A cursory look suggests that the stilts comply with this criterion, as their head patterns seem to differ from mainland stilts, but that could be because of differences in season when the pictures were taken.

'tis a fine cold and drizzly morning, and there are three of Royal Spoonbill Platalea regia - 04.02.08 - Dunedin Harbour, New Zealand swinging their flanged noggins through the shallows. Looks a bit like hadrosaurs.
Back in January:
Banded Rail Gallirallus philippensis - 18.01.08 - Abel Tasman National Park, New Zealand and a dead Little Blue Penguin. Next weekend I'm going down to Sandfly Bay and have a look at some live ones.

I've seen spoonbills here twice, but both times, they've been quite dull and just stood there keeping their heads out of the rain, or maybe moving about a bit... meh... next time, perhaps...

(29.743N, -98.452W)

Almost a bit too much detail^^

May I again say thanks for this thread. I've always enjoyed having birds around the place, and have done what I could to encourage them here, but I've largely taken them for granted. Now I find myself jumping up every time I hear a twitter or whistle to see if it's something new, and then looking them up to make sure I've identified it correctly. I've learned heaps from that, and more again from the other posters observations.

My only regret so far is that I never seem to have time to go birdwatching! There's always visitors or stuff I need to take care of. I had much more time last year^^. But I expect it will pick up once spring arrives and I get to go out and catch more birds on my own...
 
So, on the 4th of February, we have:
199 species from 17 orders, reported from 9 different countries. The next reported bird will thus be number 200^^.

The distribution on orders is as follows:
Anseriformes: 18
Apodiformes: 1
Charadriiformes: 15
Ciconiiformes: 10
Columbiformes: 9
Coraciiformes: 2
Falconiformes: 15
Galliformes: 6
Gaviformes: 1
Gruiformes: 5
Passeriformes: 90
Pelecaniformes: 6
Piciformes: 7
Podicipediformes: 1
Procellariiformes: 2
Psittaciformes: 5
Strigiformes: 5

Thank you everyone!
 
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Almost a bit too much detail

Well, it's not like Bulverde, Texas, is a big town that everybody would automatically recognize. ;)

On another topic, it's just amazing to me that some people live in places where parrots fly around wild and come to your bird feeders. That is so cool, and I'm jealous, especially since we killed ours in the U.S. (the Carolina parakeet) off. People make me pretty sick sometimes.
 
On another topic, it's just amazing to me that some people live in places where parrots fly around wild and come to your bird feeders. That is so cool, and I'm jealous, especially since we killed ours in the U.S. (the Carolina parakeet) off. People make me pretty sick sometimes.


It is not so fun if you are a farmer. There is a wild population on one part of Maui that has been wreaking havoc on local fruit orchards. Just imagine a large flock of hungry pigeons armed with bolt cutters. :(
 
It is not so fun if you are a farmer. There is a wild population on one part of Maui that has been wreaking havoc on local fruit orchards. Just imagine a large flock of hungry pigeons armed with bolt cutters. :(

That's interesting - are they native or introduced? If they're native, did a key predator get reduced, allowing the parrots to overbreed?

I will read the article - thanks!
 
It is not so fun if you are a farmer. There is a wild population on one part of Maui that has been wreaking havoc on local fruit orchards. Just imagine a large flock of hungry pigeons armed with bolt cutters. :(
Ah - introduced / feral animals. How to fix the problem? I *sometimes* sway towards eradication (ie. feral goats, pigs and water buffalo in Kakadu N.P. Australia) but I temper that with eradication on purely economical grounds as I see that as the thin edge of the wedge.
An example of my mealy mouthiness are Corellas in southern Australia chewing the living daylights out of crops. Because of a 10+ year drought (and that one was 20 years ago) many have moved from the interior to more arable land and attack crops. I can't go for eradication of *native* animals, just for that reason.
Flip side are Australian Possums. Protected in Oz, but non-native and introduced in N.Z. Of course, they are causing havoc due to lack of natural predators and "locals" inability to cope. I advocate the shooting of them on the islands of N.Z.
Perspective is a funny thing, though, my brother agrees wholeheartedly with me - until I point out that Rainbow trout are an introduced species in Oz and should *also* be on the eradication list.

... he's a fly angler...
 
I have a few feeders right outside my window, and I keep a daily checklist of the species seen from my window or from my yard. I didn't notice this thread until now, hence my late entry. All the birds listed here I've marked on my list (most of them nearly every day) during January and February (so far), 2008, in central Illinois, USA...

  1. American Crow (Corvus brachyrhynchos)
  2. American Goldfinch (Carduelis tristis)
  3. American Kestrel (Falco sparverius)
  4. Black Capped Chickadee (Poecile atricapillus)
  5. Blue Jay (Cyanocitta cristata)
  6. Canada Goose (Branta canadensis)
  7. Carolina Wren (Thryothorus ludovicianus)
  8. Cooper's Hawk (Accipiter cooperii)
  9. Dark Eyed (Slate Colored) Junco (Junco hyemalis)
  10. Downy Woodpecker (Picoides pubescens)
  11. European Starling (Sturnus vulgaris)
  12. Fox Sparrow (Passerella iliaca)
  13. House Finch (Carpodacus mexicanus)
  14. House Sparrow (Passer domesticus)
  15. Mourning Dove (Zenaida macroura)
  16. Northern Cardinal (Cardinalis cardinalis)
  17. Pine Siskin (Carduelis pinus)
  18. Red Bellied Woodpecker (Melanerpes carolinus)
  19. Red Tailed Hawk (Buteo jamaicensis)
  20. Song Sparrow (Melospiza melodia)
  21. Tufted Titmouse (Baeolophus bicolor)
  22. White Throated Sparrow (Zonotrichia albicollis)
And one of my favorite wild birds visits every day, because he knows he can get a special treat of peanuts if he comes to my hand. Here's my little Alfred, the White Breasted Nuthatch (Sitta carolinensis). :)

alfredkev2.jpg

Also, I don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but for those in North America, don't forget the Great Backyard Bird Count, coming up February 15th through 18th, 2008. Everyone gets to help. All you need is Internet access (which you obviously have), 15 minutes or more of your time, and some birds!
 
How does a little birdy like that eat a peanut? Does he peck at it with his beak to break it? Does he hold it in his beak and hit it against something hard?
 
How does a little birdy like that eat a peanut? Does he peck at it with his beak to break it? Does he hold it in his beak and hit it against something hard?


We give him unsalted, raw peanuts without shells. Most of the time he takes them to a nearby tree and wedges them into cracks in the bark. He seems to be very deliberate about finding a perfect location. With it tightly wedged into the bark he can peck away at it to eat it, but way more often than not, he'll just hide it there and leave it as a stash for future use. He hangs out with another Nuthatch which doesn't feed from my hand yet, but seems to benefit from the peanuts that get hidden in the tree. My resident Red Bellied Woodpecker also hunts around in the cracks of the tree bark, and I'm pretty sure it's getting a few of the peanuts from the Nuthatch stash.
 

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